Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[MacKaRtin]

I think Swedes and Finns are less likely to care and why they move around less than the Slavs.

I agree with your post, but would like to add that teams with a lot of Finns seem to do better at recruiting other Finns in free agency. Carolina and Dallas come to mind. Also, Mikko seemed extremely happy when we acquired Lehkonen, judging by the Cup celebrations and other statements he's made.

 

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I agree with your post, but would like to add that teams with a lot of Finns seem to do better at recruiting other Finns in free agency. Carolina and Dallas come to mind. Also, Mikko seemed extremely happy when we acquired Lehkonen, judging by the Cup celebrations and other statements he's made.

They know they can finally use all the ketchup they bought at Costco.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Lehky... they've loved him for a long time. There would have to be another bigger piece or two added as well. Lehky's NTC is a hangup with Winnipeg likely on that list.

Anytime you have a prior or subsequent move with another team, you complicate the deal.

You can't have conditionals on re-signings any more. Winnipeg can't afford as a franchise to dump PLD for picks. They need NHL players who can contribute next season.

Then I'd just give them the pick, forgot that.

A three team trade is an in stream move, not prior or subsequent the way I understand it. It takes more work from Cmac we've already seen him pull off.

I'd only move Lehky if I can see a real possibility of filling his role through trade or internally. Don't tell me that is keeping JTC lol.

It wouldn't have to be direct point production either, but a Crouse or someone similar.

 

[S E P H]

I agree with your post, but would like to add that teams with a lot of Finns seem to do better at recruiting other Finns in free agency. Carolina and Dallas come to mind. Also, Mikko seemed extremely happy when we acquired Lehkonen, judging by the Cup celebrations and other statements he's made.

I agree with that. Based upon my anecdotes from watching hockey, Slavs are more likely to move to places where they keep interacting with their culture, while Finns/Swedes want other Finns/Swedes on their teams to share a commonality. There's a reason why Kaut was so homesick if Francouz wasn't there, I don't think there are a lot of Czechs in Loveland.

 

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I agree with that. Based upon my anecdotes from watching hockey, Slavs are more likely to move to places where they keep interacting with their culture, while Finns/Swedes want other Finns/Swedes on their teams to share a commonality. There's a reason why Kaut was so homesick if Francouz wasn't there, I don't think there are a lot of Czechs in Loveland.

There are actually quite Czechs throughout Colorado. It isn't like Texas, Wisconsin, Minnesota or Nebraska where regions legitimately still speak Czech as a first language, but it is up there.

 

[Muffin]

If we don't end up with Lindholm, Scheifele or PLD we failed this off season.

Winnipeg Jets to explore Pierre-Luc Dubois, Mark Scheifele, Connor Hellebuyck trades this summer | TSN

The Winnipeg Jets could be entering into an off-season of significant change, with three of their top players potentially on the trade block.

www.tsn.ca

 

[S E P H]

There are actually quite Czechs throughout Colorado. It isn't like Texas, Wisconsin, Minnesota or Nebraska where regions legitimately still speak Czech as a first language, but it is up there.

I think a lot of those places you listed are ones where you can find a lot of Polish brethren as well. Around the great lakes, Chicago of course, and New Jersey. Only difference is Nebraska while more Poles are in North Dakota.

 

[Alienblood]

Were are overplaying this here. With a healthy lineup we quite possibly repeat.

No to Dubois and paying a 2C who is entitled and not even really anything special and wants to go to Montreal.

Spend Landy's cap on several players and not just 1 and trade Toews to Vancouver for a haul that includes a 1st and Podkolzin.

Flip the 1sts to Arizona for Hayton or a youngish 2C somewhere

 

[S E P H]

If we don't end up with Lindholm, Scheifele or PLD we failed this off season.

Winnipeg Jets to explore Pierre-Luc Dubois, Mark Scheifele, Connor Hellebuyck trades this summer | TSN

The Winnipeg Jets could be entering into an off-season of significant change, with three of their top players potentially on the trade block.

www.tsn.ca

The problem is two of those three players are in the same division and three of the three players are in the same conference. Hard to make trades like those.

 

[CobraAcesS]

There are actually quite Czechs throughout Colorado. It isn't like Texas, Wisconsin, Minnesota or Nebraska where regions legitimately still speak Czech as a first language, but it is up there.

Detroit has Ukranian and Russian churches, multiple. I know which diners to go to where all of the waitresses and the owner are speaking to each other in one of three or four languages. The food is better and more reasonably priced as well.

I would not of guessed Texas on that list.

Also the Detroit area has a lot of immigrants from Asia during the Vietnam era. There is a park to memorize their contributions to the Vietnam War.

Just to add to the discussion lol.

 

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I think a lot of those places you listed are ones where you can find a lot of Polish brethren as well. Around the great lakes, Chicago of course, and New Jersey. Only difference is Nebraska while more Poles are in North Dakota.

And German too. The Central European migration to those areas was huge. My first school was a tiny country school in Nebraska… one classmate had never spoke English prior to that school. She was from a Czech family.

 

[S E P H]

Detroit has Ukranian and Russian churches, multiple. I know which diners to go to where all of the waitresses and the owner are speaking to each other in one of three or four languages. The food is better and more reasonably priced as well.

I dated a Ukrainian for a time and she told me that Sacramento has the largest population of Ukrainians. There are also others that are pretty significant as well. Houston is all about southeastern Asians, Minnesota and Wisconsin are all about Scanadavians, and Michigan has the largest Arab population.

And German too.

Germans are notorious in Pennsylvania no? Penn and the province of Manitoba if I remember correctly. When I played junior A in Canada, the place I was at was crazy German - like some people barely had any English level of German lol.

 

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Detroit has Ukranian and Russian churches, multiple. I know which diners to go to where all of the waitresses and the owner are speaking to each other in one of three or four languages. The food is better and more reasonably priced as well.

I would not of guessed Texas on that list.

Also the Detroit area has a lot of immigrants from Asia during the Vietnam era. There is a park to memorize their contributions to the Vietnam War.

Just to add to the discussion lol.

Yeah Detroit is very Russian… Namestnikov while Russian, grew up in Michigan since he was a toddler.

 

[CobraAcesS]

And German too. The Central European migration to those areas was huge. My first school was a tiny country school in Nebraska… one classmate had never spoke English prior to that school. She was from a Czech family.

My family came from Germany after the first world War. North Dekota farmers.

I've never had the opportunity to ask why. Unfortunately.

Detroit also has a huge Middle Eastern population, funny enough the food is amazing and there is trash everywhere, just like a lot of Middle East cities I've been in, but that is more obvious to me as its a place the US still sends refugees I believe.

Love this stuff, sorry lol.

 

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I dated a Ukrainian for a time and she told me that Sacramento has the largest population of Ukrainians. There are also others that are pretty significant as well. Houston is all about southeastern Asians, Minnesota and Wisconsin are all about Scanadavians, and Michigan has the largest Arab population.

Germans are notorious in Pennsylvania no? Penn and the province of Manitoba if I remember correctly. When I played junior A in Canada, the place I was at was crazy German - like some people barely had any English level of German lol.

Yeah PA has a lot of Germans. Lancaster County is filled with people who speak Pennsylvania Dutch as a first language (it is a variation of German despite the name)

 

[CobraAcesS]

I dated a Ukrainian for a time and she told me that Sacramento has the largest population of Ukrainians. There are also others that are pretty significant as well. Houston is all about southeastern Asians, Minnesota and Wisconsin are all about Scanadavians, and Michigan has the largest Arab population.

Germans are notorious in Pennsylvania no? Penn and the province of Manitoba if I remember correctly. When I played junior A in Canada, the place I was at was crazy German - like some people barely had any English level of German lol.

I had no idea on Sacramento, was born in Stockton but lived mostly in the country in Central California.

 

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I had no idea on Sacramento, was born in Stockton but lived mostly in the country in Central California.

My condolances

 

[CobraAcesS]

My condolances

Woodbridge wasn't bad, and the butcher shop in Lockford that sold the beef jerky I teethed on as a child still has lines out the door every day.

Love California, but obviously Central Washington aligns more with my style if you will these days lol. Michigan might actually be my favorite state of all of them that I've lived in.

The Detroit Grand Prix downtown was a huge success last weekend, especially as a cross cultural event that was largely free to enjoy.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

If we don't end up with Lindholm, Scheifele or PLD we failed this off season.

Winnipeg Jets to explore Pierre-Luc Dubois, Mark Scheifele, Connor Hellebuyck trades this summer | TSN

The Winnipeg Jets could be entering into an off-season of significant change, with three of their top players potentially on the trade block.

www.tsn.ca

Yeah, I said it on the main boards as well but Its worth discussing here as well I think...


To me, there's seemingly ~15 Centers that are available(To varying levels) this summer that are possible Avs targets, also of a wide range in terms of cost as well. And I would rank them in the following tiers and from Left to Right in order of preference as well:


Tier 1: PLD, Lindholm, Scheifele, JT Miller

Tier 2: Backlund, Mittelstadt, Kuznetsov, Hayes

Tier 3: Laughton, Henrique, Roslovic, O'Reilly, Toews, Monahan, Dvorak


IMO, the bare minimum for what they should do, is grabbing a guy in that tier 2 list. If the best they do this summer is one of the names in the tier 3 list, I think that's a complete failure job and most likely a cheap and will be failed attempt at a solution. Tier 2 would likely work, but not exactly going all in or getting the best available. Tier 1 is the 4 guys to where I think we're getting a guaranteed top quality 2C solution and one that will make us a big favorite again next year.

What I would really like to see them do, is grab 2 centers out of these groups, grabbing one of those tier 2/3 guys to be the 3C next year on top of grabbing a guy in the 1st two tiers to be the 2C.

Because even though the 2C spot is clearly the biggest need this summer, we also dont have a 3C signed and most likely(Hopefully) will be losing JTC this summer who had been the 3C the last couple of years before being thrown into 2C duties last year. I really hope the Avs move on from Newhook as a Center, if they dont move him in a trade at least set him up for success by keeping him strictly on the Wing, even if its in the Top 6 I think he could do well with that stability for a full season.

To me, grabbing some combination of say PLD + Laughton, or Lindholm + Hayes, Scheifele + Mittelstadt, etc. etc. I think we have the assets to get two trades done tbh... If they go something like Newhook + 2023 1st as the main basis of one trade, and then use Girard+ for a 2nd trade I think they could solve both the 2C and 3C holes in the roster. But they could also potentially look

That said, CMac hasn't given me any sort of confidence or belief in his ability to actually be aggressive and make big cup contender type of moves. So I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he does something extremely frustrating like giving up the bare minimum for Henrique at full salary, keeping Newhook and expecting him to once again be a 2C/3C with Henrique in the other spot. Or even worse, re-sign JTC for like $5.5M.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yeah, I said it on the main boards as well but Its worth discussing here as well I think...


To me, there's seemingly ~15 Centers that are available(To varying levels) this summer that are possible Avs targets, also of a wide range in terms of cost as well. And I would rank them in the following tiers and from Left to Right in order of preference as well:


Tier 1: PLD, Lindholm, Scheifele, JT Miller

Tier 2: Backlund, Mittelstadt, Kuznetsov, Hayes

Tier 3: Laughton, Henrique, Roslovic, O'Reilly, Toews, Monahan, Dvorak


IMO, the bare minimum for what they should do, is grabbing a guy in that tier 2 list. If the best they do this summer is one of the names in the tier 3 list, I think that's a complete failure job and most likely a cheap and will be failed attempt at a solution. Tier 2 would likely work, but not exactly going all in or getting the best available. Tier 1 is the 4 guys to where I think we're getting a guaranteed top quality 2C solution and one that will make us a big favorite again next year.

What I would really like to see them do, is grab 2 centers out of these groups, grabbing one of those tier 2/3 guys to be the 3C next year on top of grabbing a guy in the 1st two tiers to be the 2C.

Because even though the 2C spot is clearly the biggest need this summer, we also dont have a 3C signed and most likely(Hopefully) will be losing JTC this summer who had been the 3C the last couple of years before being thrown into 2C duties last year. I really hope the Avs move on from Newhook as a Center, if they dont move him in a trade at least set him up for success by keeping him strictly on the Wing, even if its in the Top 6 I think he could do well with that stability for a full season.

To me, grabbing some combination of say PLD + Laughton, or Lindholm + Hayes, Scheifele + Mittelstadt, etc. etc. I think we have the assets to get two trades done tbh... If they go something like Newhook + 2023 1st as the main basis of one trade, and then use Girard+ for a 2nd trade I think they could solve both the 2C and 3C holes in the roster. But they could also potentially look

That said, CMac hasn't given me any sort of confidence or belief in his ability to actually be aggressive and make big cup contender type of moves. So I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he does something extremely frustrating like giving up the bare minimum for Henrique at full salary, keeping Newhook and expecting him to once again be a 2C/3C with Henrique in the other spot. Or even worse, re-sign JTC for like $5.5M.

I was kinda wondering if we really have the money or assets to address both center positions. Really probably depends on what the 2C costs obviously.

If we have to run a 3C/4C type for cheap I'd bet on that getting fixed in season far more than I would the 2C.

That's sort of what I expect. With maybe a short term solution at wing.

 

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It will be an utter failure if there isn't a solid 2C here in training camp. There are always names available and this year is no different. To not fill the position would give me significant doubt on CMac's ability to evaluate the team. I think last season was a failure in that regard too, but it is pretty common that 1st year GMs are too conservative with their own teams and fail to make the moves they need to. Seems that part of the job has to be learned on the fly, but a 2nd year of that would be unacceptable.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I was kinda wondering if we really have the money or assets to address both center positions. Really probably depends on what the 2C costs obviously.

If we have to run a 3C/4C type for cheap I'd bet on that getting fixed in season far more than I would the 2C.

That's sort of what I expect. With maybe a short term solution at wing.

We do have both(Cap space will be tight but if the priority of that cap space should be entirely at Center), its just a matter of management actually setting it as a priority and following through.

With Landy's LTIR, the Avs are heading into the summer with $19.7M in cap space... In terms of assets, Newhook, one of Girard/Toews/Byram, 2023 and 2024 1sts, and basically any prospect in the system should all be on the table as well.

 

[CobraAcesS]

We do have both(Cap space will be tight but if the priority of that cap space should be entirely at Center), its just a matter of management actually setting it as a priority and following through.

With Landy's LTIR, the Avs are heading into the summer with $19.7M in cap space... In terms of assets, Newhook, one of Girard/Toews/Byram, 2023 and 2024 1sts, and basically any prospect in the system should all be on the table as well.

Yeah I think the field is clear. I'm completely out of ideas that have not been talked about. Now I feel like it's sit our hands and pray Cmac sees it at all the same way. If the draft goes by with no center trade, I'm going to be very afraid.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart

With Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart the primary tenants in the NHL's rumour mill, an update on where the Canadiens stand on both.

theathletic.com

So... It isn't Montreal or bust for Dubois. Sounds like it will likely be the exact same situation as Tkachuk last summer for the Jets, a sign and trade deal where Dubois will have 5-6 teams he's willing to go with.


With that, he wont be cheap to acquire at all. I thought yesterday that he would be cheap because it sounded like he wasn't going to sign long term anywhere and just wanted to go straight to UFA as quickly as possible. But if he's gonna sign an 8 year deal and then be traded to one of 5-6 teams, its not gonna be cheap. Not necessarily Tkachuk levels of expensive, but if the Avs are on the list of 5-6 teams it'll cost us Byram I would bet.

 

[The Abusement Park]

What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart

With Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart the primary tenants in the NHL's rumour mill, an update on where the Canadiens stand on both.

theathletic.com

So... It isn't Montreal or bust for Dubois. Sounds like it will likely be the exact same situation as Tkachuk last summer for the Jets, a sign and trade deal where Dubois will have 5-6 teams he's willing to go with.


With that, he wont be cheap to acquire at all. I thought yesterday that he would be cheap because it sounded like he wasn't going to sign long term anywhere and just wanted to go straight to UFA as quickly as possible. But if he's gonna sign an 8 year deal and then be traded to one of 5-6 teams, its not gonna be cheap. Not necessarily Tkachuk levels of expensive, but if the Avs are on the list of 5-6 teams it'll cost us Byram I would bet.

Of course not. I don’t think a major source ever reported that was the case.