Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[BobRossColton]

So PLD is almost certainly a draft day trade or earlier... They should be going hard after him.


I'd also approach signing Dubois in a different way as well. Offer him a 2 or 3x$7.5M deal. Let him get another big 7/8 year contract as a 29 year old UFA when the salary cap has jumped up a bunch.


We only have at absolute maximum, 2 or 3 cup runs left anyway.

Offer him that stastny deal, 4x7.

 

[Foppa2118]

Dubois would be the perfect fit, but he needs to come with a long term extension locked in. Otherwise it doesn't feel like he'd want to stay.

There's been lots of rumors that he openly talks about wanting to play in Montreal. He went to the draft in Montreal, some say because he was expecting a trade.

Then Brisson went on the radio a year ago and answered a question saying, "Montreal is a city he would probably … I can talk about it because he doesn’t have a contract at the moment — he’s a restricted free agent. Montreal is a place, a city he’d like to play in. That’s all I can say about that.”

Then Dubois came out with a non denial about wanting to go to Montreal, and just said he never asked for a trade. Now it sounds like he is asking for a trade. Which would be the second team he's done so with.

Without an extension, it seems a little obvious that he'll end up in Montreal, perhaps with one year Cup run somewhere first. The Habs will definitely sign him if he hits UFA.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Offer him that stastny deal, 4x7.

I think 4 years would be too long and you almost certainly dont get him for $7M on a 4 year deal.


Tbh I think 2 years makes the most sense. On a 2 year deal you can probably get him for ~$7.5M for those 2 years. Structure it as $6.5M in the last year of his RFA years, then $8.5M as his 1st UFA year.


After that, the Avs contending window is closed... Dubois then hits free agency as a 27 year old when the cap is likely $90M or close to it. Probably gets to sign a 7x$9.5-10M contract that summer. Versus any long term deal he signs today likely being more in the $8-8.5M range instead.


Would be a great situation for both sides. Avs avoid another long term contract that will hurt them when they're trying to rebuild. Dubois gets a couple years on a top contender to chase a cup and then gets to take advantage of a big UFA year potentially in the 1st year where the cap takes a huge jump.

Basically a lot of the same reasons why Gavrikov just signed for 2 years. We're going to see a lot of UFAs do that this summer I think... Especially the ones that are still in there late 20s. They'll take 2 year deals and try to really cash in big when the flat cap finally breaks and teams are swimming in cap space again and GMs start throwing around big money.

 

[Foppa2118]

Offer him that stastny deal, 4x7.

Feels unlikely PLD would sign for medium term.

Either the Montreal rumors are overblown, and he's open to signing long term with the Avs, or he signs a 1 year deal somewhere, to set him up to go to Montreal.

He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would wait multiple years for something he wants, when he can get it in one. Waiting is a gamble too, because there's no telling what kind of team they'll have by then.

 

[BobRossColton]

Okay I get validity of 2-3 year deal.
2 year would end when mikko needs resigning
3 year if Bo signs a bridge.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Ya I know he wasn't at THAT event. But as Hench said, and Cousin Eddie alluded to, this may be a different event.

Oh I missed that part. Whoops.

Feels unlikely PLD would sign for medium term.

Either the Montreal rumors are overblown, and he's open to signing long term with the Avs, or he signs a 1 year deal somewhere, to set him up to go to Montreal.

He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would wait multiple years for something he wants, when he can get it in one. Waiting is a gamble too, because there's no telling what kind of team they'll have by then.

I could see a 3 year deal being of interest. Gets 3 years of good pay and cup runs and still gets one more big UFA contract at 28.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Okay I get validity of 2-3 year deal.
2 year would end when mikko needs resigning
3 year if Bo signs a bridge.

Yeah those are factors as well tbh. If you sign PLD to a long term deal or even just 4 years, you've got no chance at keeping Mikko. That cap space will dry up so fast in the coming summers.

Plus the other factor is just that straight up in 2 year from now we aren't top tier cup contenders anymore. In 2 years time Mackinnon will be 30, Rantanen 29, Nuke 30, Lehky 30, Toews 31, Landy 33(If not LTIRetired), George 29...

The cup window will be done by then. So 2 years is the sweet spot for the 2C solution.



The nice thing about PLD saying he wants out and wont even sign a 1 year bridge with the Jets is it really does tank his value. Before he said that today, I dont think Newhook + 2023 1st would have been close to enough, but now I think if the Avs offered that it would probably get it done.

 

[Balthazar]

Either the Montreal rumors are overblown

Not sure how many times this needs to be posted but here it is again

Dubois: People blew agent's comments on Habs out of proportion

Winnipeg Jets center Pierre-Luc Dubois took the time to address some recent rumors a couple of days after signing his one-year, $6-million qualifying offer to remain in the prairie province.Namely, the Quebec native thinks people overreacted to his agent Pat Brisson's comments about Dubois...

www.thescore.com

 

[expatriatedtexan]

It’s going to turn out they sacrificed a bunch of virgins and the innocent in order to resurrect the anti-Christ in Makar

I feel like that could be a Netflix movie in the not so distant future. And to be honest, I'm pretty much onboard with it already.

 

[BobRossColton]

Yeah those are factors as well tbh. If you sign PLD to a long term deal or even just 4 years, you've got no chance at keeping Mikko. That cap space will dry up so fast in the coming summers.

Plus the other factor is just that straight up in 2 year from now we aren't top tier cup contenders anymore. In 2 years time Mackinnon will be 30, Rantanen 29, Nuke 30, Lehky 30, Toews 31, Landy 33(If not LTIRetired), George 29...

The cup window will be done by then. So 2 years is the sweet spot for the 2C solution.



The nice thing about PLD saying he wants out and wont even sign a 1 year bridge with the Jets is it really does tank his value. Before he said that today, I dont think Newhook + 2023 1st would have been close to enough, but now I think if the Avs offered that it would probably get it done.

Then use Girard for middle six help?

 

[Foppa2118]

Not sure how many times this needs to be posted but here it is again

Dubois: People blew agent's comments on Habs out of proportion

Winnipeg Jets center Pierre-Luc Dubois took the time to address some recent rumors a couple of days after signing his one-year, $6-million qualifying offer to remain in the prairie province.Namely, the Quebec native thinks people overreacted to his agent Pat Brisson's comments about Dubois...

www.thescore.com

Like I said that was a non denial about Brisson's odd comments about wanting to play in Montreal, by saying he never asked for a trade.

"You read stuff (like), 'He wants out of Winnipeg.' If I wanted out of Winnipeg, I would've asked for a trade. I didn't ask for a trade."

Which he just did a year later according to Lebrun.

I don't know how he really feels, but it's hard to be that confident it's overblown at this point. I hope it is though, because he'd be a great fit.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Then use Girard for middle six help?

That's what I would do. Trade G for a 3C plus a draft pick sort of thing.

I like the idea of Mittelstadt quite frankly.


G + Malgin for Mittelstadt + 2023 or 2024 2nd(Depending on when the trade occurs basically)

 

[BobRossColton]

That's what I would do. Trade G for a 3C plus a draft pick sort of thing.

I like the idea of Mittelstadt quite frankly.


G + Malgin for Mittelstadt + 2023 or 2024 2nd(Depending on when the trade occurs basically)

Could we add another piece and get Appleton?

 

[PAZ]

I think 4 years would be too long and you almost certainly dont get him for $7M on a 4 year deal.


Tbh I think 2 years makes the most sense. On a 2 year deal you can probably get him for ~$7.5M for those 2 years. Structure it as $6.5M in the last year of his RFA years, then $8.5M as his 1st UFA year.


After that, the Avs contending window is closed... Dubois then hits free agency as a 27 year old when the cap is likely $90M or close to it. Probably gets to sign a 7x$9.5-10M contract that summer. Versus any long term deal he signs today likely being more in the $8-8.5M range instead.


Would be a great situation for both sides. Avs avoid another long term contract that will hurt them when they're trying to rebuild. Dubois gets a couple years on a top contender to chase a cup and then gets to take advantage of a big UFA year potentially in the 1st year where the cap takes a huge jump.

Basically a lot of the same reasons why Gavrikov just signed for 2 years. We're going to see a lot of UFAs do that this summer I think... Especially the ones that are still in there late 20s. They'll take 2 year deals and try to really cash in big when the flat cap finally breaks and teams are swimming in cap space again and GMs start throwing around big money.

I'll be surprised if the Avs try and rebuild before Mack's contract is up. A retool will happen, but I highly doubt the Avs are going to rebuild in 6-8 years. A very strong argument can be made that they should, but the Avs will likely be a playoff bubble team aka no mans land.

 

[MacKaRtin]

I'll be surprised if the Avs try and rebuild before Mack's contract is up. A retool will happen, but I highly doubt the Avs are going to rebuild in 6-8 years. A very strong argument can be made that they should, but the Avs will likely be a playoff bubble team aka no mans land.

We've seen what's been happening in Pittsburgh the last few years, what can go wrong?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I'll be surprised if the Avs try and rebuild before Mack's contract is up. A retool will happen, but I highly doubt the Avs are going to rebuild in 6-8 years. A very strong argument can be made that they should, but the Avs will likely be a playoff bubble team aka no mans land.

Oh I definitely agree on that, they'll try to compete beyond the the cup window, pretty much everyone does.

They'll basically become what Pittsburgh, St. Louis, and Washington have all been for the last ~3-4 years.

 

[Freaky Styley]

Honestly I want nothing with Dubois. Good player when he wants to be but don't want a prima donna

 

[dahrougem2]

Dubois is a 60 point 2nd line centre. A damn good one, but if this guy wants to break the bank on his next deal you easily pass.

He and Montreal seem destined for one another.

 

[Foppa2118]

Dubois is a 60 point 2nd line centre. A damn good one, but if this guy wants to break the bank on his next deal you easily pass.

He and Montreal seem destined for one another.

He's also only 24 though. He scored 27 goals in 73 games as well.

I could see him putting up even better numbers as he gets older, and especially with the Avs, which is usually the case. Very similar to Kadri who has also been a 60 point center for the most part.

I'm curious what PLD's asking price is too though. I have a feeling it will be high. But then again, the Avs should be able to afford it next year, and there should be a big cap jump after that. If he'd sign here.

 

[John Mandalorian]

If the Avs only get him for 3 years or less, the advantage of his age becomes moot.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Out of curiosity, what kind of contract do you all think PLD even wants? Is it a silly double digit AAV ask? Or is it something like 8 years, 7.5 per? If it’s the latter I think you have to find a way to trade for him. I mean the guy is only 24. If you can get a fairly well rounded 2C at that age you have to try your best to make it happen.

 

[Balthazar]

Out of curiosity, what kind of contract do you all think PLD even wants? Is it a silly double digit AAV ask? Or is it something like 8 years, 7.5 per? If it’s the latter I think you have to find a way to trade for him. I mean the guy is only 24. If you can get a fairly well rounded 2C at that age you have to try your best to make it happen.

Horvat's

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Horvat's

I think that’s a little rich when you compare his resume to Horvat’s. However the age makes it much more tolerable.

I’d prefer to get him at 8 or just under but I still don’t think I’d be completely against the Horvat contract. I guess I’d just hope you could bargain him down below that.

 

[redacted]

After a year of Compher at 2C, I’m not looking gift horses in the mouth. PLD would be an excellent addition.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I think that’s a little rich when you compare his resume to Horvat’s. However the age makes it much more tolerable.

I’d prefer to get him at 8 or just under but I still don’t think I’d be completely against the Horvat contract. I guess I’d just hope you could bargain him down below that.

Horvat didn’t make this maneuver to force his way out however. With Winnipeg’s leverage and with his desire to get out of Winnipeg, an acquiring team might be able to sign him for something less than what Horvat got.

If a team tells Winnipeg that they’re willing to give more if he’s signed, Winnipeg can then go to PLD/PB and say, if you want to be traded, you need to go to be willing to sign a deal.