Boston Bruins 2023-2024 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion IV

[Sheppy]

Does he, though?

Last season Greer was good for running guys, even Foligno for awhile. Its not something i recall seeing Freddy do much.

He's capable, but it isn't consistent. It seems like one game he's showing you that he can be that guy and then 10-15 games passes and he does it again.

Doesn't need to be every night, but I wish he could gauge the temperature of certain games better.

 

[Therick67]

Does he, though?

Last season Greer was good for running guys, even Foligno for awhile. Its not something i recall seeing Freddy do much.

It's the closest thig they have to someone who can..maybe when Looch gets back he'll pick it up.

 

[sarge88]

Does he, though?

Last season Greer was good for running guys, even Foligno for awhile. Its not something i recall seeing Freddy do much.

IDK

When you have his size and skating ability it shouldn’t be too hard to do every once in a while.

 

[TobanWest]

IDK

When you have his size and skating ability it shouldn’t be too hard to do every once in a while.

I agree with this. In the end the Bruins have a legacy of being the Big Bad Bruins. I know those days are over but in the end physicality is still in the game of hockey and is shown moreso when it counts, in the playoffs. If teams that play you know you don't have no response or desire to push back, they will take advantage and increase there physical play. Do we need to fight after clean hits? No. Do we need to have a useless fighter like Reaves? No. Does this team need to have a pack mentality and stick up for each other and build that reputation? Yes.
They did it a bit the other game but in the end Marchand, Pasta, and McAvoy shouldn't be doing it at least all the time. Forbort has been know to fight, Carlo is a big dude that could assert himself and Frederic came out in his career fighting and chirping all the time. Freddy has been the biggest disappointment to me this year for this reason and I've been his biggest supporter all along. He didn't win many but neither did Greer. This team needs players to do this and Lucic helps for sure but it needs to be more players and not just are stars or even Swayman which I loved watching him smile and punch away with his blocker! May not be the Big Bad Bruins of old but teams need to fear that if you mess with one, all will respond and have their brothers back.

 

[kdog82]

So what is the plan if you were to get a Lindholm. Do you send Zacha back to wing? I guess that is easiest, but Zacha has worked really hard for this opportunity, and has excelled in the role. Does that impact team chemistry?

I think the plan would be to move guys around when necessary. Maybe Poitras at RW until he is fully ready for the centre position or like you said, Zacha to LW.

It is nice to have options as injuries will happen.

 

[goldnblack]

If the peanut gallery had their way we'd have no Linus, no Charlie, no Coyle, no Marchy. I guess we'd have at minimum Conner and Barzal. We'd certainly have no Poitras/Lohrei.

I'd say Sweenius is going pretty pretty good. Let's see what he does with that cap space next year. That's potentially going to define the next 5-7 years.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I agree with this. In the end the Bruins have a legacy of being the Big Bad Bruins. I know those days are over but in the end physicality is still in the game of hockey and is shown moreso when it counts, in the playoffs. If teams play you know you don't have the beef or desire to push back, they will take advantage and increase there physical play. Do we need to fight after clean hits? No. Do we need to have a useless fighter like Reaves? No. Does this team need to have a pack mentality and stick up for each other and build that reputation? Yes.
They did it a bit the other game but in the end Marchand, Pasta, and McAvoy should t be doing it at least all the time. Forbort has been know to fight, Carlo is a big dude that could assert himself and Frederic came out in his career fighting and chirping all the time. Didn't win many but neither did Greer. This team needs players to do this and Lucic helps for sure but it needs to be more players and not just are stars or even Swayman which I loved watching him smile and punch away with his blocker!

How do you stick up for each other "a bit"?

Either you do or you don't. They did.

And what happened? Pasta got thrown on his head.

This whole "Bruins don't stick up for each other" thing seems way overblown to me. Something to moan about when the team is 12-1-2.

 

[Sheppy]

How do you stick up for each other "a bit"?

Either you do or you don't. They did.

And what happened? Pasta got thrown on his head.

This whole "Bruins don't stick up for each other" thing seems way overblown to me. Something to moan about when the team is 12-1-2.

Yep, and that should have been looked at and a number should have been taken from that situation. Your captain got rocked (cleanly, no doubt) and your leading scorer got dumped on his his ass from behind.

Is that were it ends? I saw a good 3-4 healthy runs by Buffalo players as the game went on and I can't remember any Bruin giving it back. Seems to be the brand of hockey people want this team to play, though.

You can be a 12-1-2 team and still go out there, take numbers and dish it back when teams start taking advantage of you.

 

[Gee Wally]

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Yep, and that should have been looked at and a number should have been taken from that situation. Your captain got rocked (cleanly, no doubt) and your leading scorer got dumped on his his ass from behind.

Is that were it ends? I saw a good 3-4 healthy runs by Buffalo players as the game went on and I can't remember any Bruin giving it back. Seems to be the brand of hockey people want this team to play, though.

You can be a 12-1-2 team and still go out there, take numbers and dish it back when teams start taking advantage of you.

I'd agree with you if these contests were rumbles rather than hockey games.

 

[Sheppy]

I'd agree with you if these contests were rumbles rather than hockey games.

I don't know what this means?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Last year, the Bruins had 7 more fights and averaged more than two (2) hits per game more than the Panthers in the regular season. They also had twice as many fights (28 to 14) as the Vegas Golden Knights. Something to consider.

 

[TobanWest]

How do you stick up for each other "a bit"?

Either you do or you don't. They did.

And what happened? Pasta got thrown on his head.

This whole "Bruins don't stick up for each other" thing seems way overblown to me. Something to moan about when the team is 12-1-2.

Not sure if it's me, what I say or the point en general but you seem to keep missing it. Nobody cares if pasta is coming after you. Nobody. They will continue to take liberties and come playoffs they will be bullied like last year. Lucic is the only saving grace along with a few mac truck hits that may end up with suspensions. You and I will never agree on what we feel the team needs. I'm trying to meet in the middle as I love hitting, fighting, responses and a team that is feared. I get it you want the opposite and your entitled to that but I'm done trying to explain myself to you. It's ego vs ego and we are both entitled to our opinions. Just understand that there are more than a few of us that feel the same way here. And vise versa.

 

[WestCoastBruinsFan]

They certainly do not need to have fights after clean hits.
They do need to be tougher in the playoffs than previous years.
Is that coaching, or personnel? Probably a bit of both.

 

[TobanWest]

Last year, the Bruins had 7 more fights and averaged more than two (2) hits per game more than the Panthers in the regular season. They also had twice as many fights (28 to 14) as the Vegas Golden Knights. Something to consider.

Fair enough but didn't seem to work. There are different types of hits. Light hits that make no impact are still a hot correct? Just saying a Heinen hit is different than a Clutterbuck hit.

 

[sarge88]

Last year, the Bruins had 7 more fights and averaged more than two (2) hits per game more than the Panthers in the regular season. They also had twice as many fights (28 to 14) as the Vegas Golden Knights. Something to consider.

Without looking into every fight, maybe they had so many because teams felt they could run people without worrying about the ramifications and maybe a case could be made that they could/should have fought even more.

Maybe Florida and LV had less because they had more guys that people didn’t want to mess with.

In the end, either argument is unprovable and it comes down to each fans perception, I guess.

I and others just don’t feel that they push back enough, or are physical enough and we think that matters. Maybe not in a given game, but in the cumulative and definitely in the playoffs.

Others feel this team is tough enough and don’t want them to do anything toward changing the makeup/mindset of the team, which is fine.

I‘ll continue to root for them and enjoy the ups and be pissed about the downs, just like everyone else.

I just have different hopes and expectations for them.

Not right or wrong, just my own.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

They responded then and there to a degree, that's fine. It still ended up with a guy in a fish bowl dangerously tossing our leading scorer to the ice by his head.

Later in the game Lauko was ran 2-3 times and hit hard (who was also coming back from an injury). The Bruins were up 4-0 or 5-0 at this stage.

I'm not saying go jump someone and start feeding them, but they didn't even take a number. That's a bit frustrating to me, and Frederic should have been a guy to do that. Line a guy up, hit him hard, draw a penalty.


This.

The Bruins don't do this, though.

how do you know they didn't take a number? were you in the lockerroom with them after the game? I'm not trying to be a smartass, i genuinely don't know how you can reach this conclusion without being part of the team or in their heads.

 

[Sheppy]

how do you know they didn't take a number? were you in the lockerroom with them after the game? I'm not trying to be a smartass, i genuinely don't know how you can reach this conclusion without being part of the team or in their heads.

Because they wouldn't have let him off the hook so easily.

They were up 4-0 or 5-0 and no one batted an eye when Lauko was ran twice, either.

 

[NeelyDan]

I truly don't understand why we continue to discuss this. It's literally impossible to resolve.

I'd say maybe it's because it's fun conversation, but a huge portion of the time nobody can speak without disdain or condescension, so that really can't be it.

 

[dangermike]

What made you think that?

In what way did you expect Frederic to be different?

Well at the end of 21-22, like many people, I was bummed about his attitude and play. So I didn’t expect much from him last season and he clearly improved his attitude and finishing and played way more responsibly - maybe it was the magical run and maybe it was switching to Montgomery behind the bench but he was real good.


Now this season he coasts more than last year and the production isn’t necessarily worse just different. And he is playing a little less assertive than last season where I expected him to be more assertive. I do think he skates well with CC but there are shifts where he’s invisible.

Like I said I’m not mad at his play this year but I expected/hopeed for another jump up and it still might happened but when he’s on a line w Poitras, I want him to take more control bc he’s now the experienced one and not a super young kid anymore. Idk it’s kinda like Debrusk- I like his play most of the time but this is the season to step up and establish yourself as a cornerstone or something

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I don't know what this means?

Hockey games are decided by who scores more goals.

Rumbles are decided by who inflicts the most pain.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Not sure if it's me, what I say or the point en general but you seem to keep missing it. Nobody cares if pasta is coming after you. Nobody. They will continue to take liberties and come playoffs they will be bullied like last year. Lucic is the only saving grace along with a few mac truck hits that may end up with suspensions. You and I will never agree on what we feel the team needs. I'm trying to meet in the middle as I love hitting, fighting, responses and a team that is feared. I get it you want the opposite and your entitled to that but I'm done trying to explain myself to you. It's ego vs ego and we are both entitled to our opinions. Just understand that there are more than a few of us that feel the same way here. And vise versa.

I'm not arguing that I don't want hitting and fighting and response. You seem to be missing my point.

I'm saying the whole idea of the Bruins not responding and not backing each other up is way overblown. It seems to be an excuse for playoff failures and gives posters something to complain about when their team has the best record in the league. Anyone thinking the Bruins get knocked out of the playoffs (especially last season) because they are pushed around is kidding themselves.

 

[CellyHard]

My issue isn’t Freddy at all. What did the Bruins do when Gudas rocked him and sent him to the room a few weeks back? How about when Josh Brown leveled him and gave him a concussion. Freddy has to stick up for 20 teammates but no one sticks up for him. Like what others have said it’s a team issue.

Many years ago Lucic got rocked into the boards from behind. First guy in without hesitation was Savard throwing haymakers. It was against Dallas. Everyone on the ice was going at it after. Bruins dont have that mentality and that’s the issue IMO

 

[DKH]

Am I the only one who wishes Claude was walking through the door? It has been a very different team since he was foolishly let go.

If not you should be

I'd agree with you if these contests were rumbles rather than hockey games.

Can’t we have a rumble and a hockey game - win the President Trophy, the Stanley Cup and most fighting majors in history

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

My issue isn’t Freddy at all. What did the Bruins do when Gudas rocked him and sent him to the room a few weeks back? How about when Josh Brown leveled him and gave him a concussion. Freddy has to stick up for 20 teammates but no one sticks up for him. Like what others have said it’s a team issue.

Many years ago Lucic got rocked into the boards from behind. First guy in without hesitation was Savard throwing haymakers. It was against Dallas. Everyone on the ice was going at it after. Bruins dont have that mentality and that’s the issue IMO

Exactly.

Its not the same league any more.

If not you should be


Can’t we have a rumble and a hockey game - win the President Trophy, the Stanley Cup and most fighting majors in history

Probably not, but its something to strife for.