Boston Bruins 2023-2024 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion IV

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I truly don't understand why we continue to discuss this. It's literally impossible to resolve.

I'd say maybe it's because it's fun conversation, but a huge portion of the time nobody can speak without disdain or condescension, so that really can't be it.
The problem is the team is basically boring - they win constantly and looking for shit to bitch and complain about is not the stuff the other 31 fan bases deal with

Some day Donny the Puppeteer will retire and we will move to the middle and be able to focus on hockey not toughness and choking in playoffs
 
Exactly.

Its not the same league any more.



Probably not, but it’s something to strife for.
It’s a goal and if we can get rid of Grzelcyk late enough in season and replace him with the best MMA fighter who can skate

JJ Watt was an excellent hockey player and tough - gotta think his two brothers were good as well

Have one play defense on third pair and clear front of net - the other two can play wing on bottom 6 and start rumbles

Donny, do it
 
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The 12-1-2 Bruins are accruing points.
But Tuesday’s 5-2 win over the Sabres did stand as an outlier for Jim Montgomery’s squad.
Despite their perch atop the NHL standings, the Bruins haven’t made things easy on themselves when it comes to breathing room on the scoreboard.
Of their 15 games, seven have been decided by one goal. Tuesday marked just the second time they have scored at least five times. Last season’s record-setting team scored five-plus goals in 25 of their 82 games.
It was to be expected that there would be a dip in scoring following the departures of some key forwards via retirement, trades, and free agency. But all it takes is a glance at Tuesday’s scoresheet to discern why the offense spiked against the Sabres.


Brandon Carlo and Hampus Lindholm accounted for two of the five goals, while Charlie McAvoy chipped in with two assists.

It was a step in the right direction for a team that entered the night with just four goals and 25 total points from defensemen.

But for Montgomery, getting his blue liners to buy in remains a work in progress.

“Yes, but not enough still,” Montgomery said of the defensemen adopting a shot-first mentality. “I think we got a couple of goals and then I thought we had times to pound pucks and now we’re up 4-0 or whatever and we’re trying to get cute.

“We do need our defensemen to be more shot-ready, and it’s every one of them. When there’s traffic at the net — and I think we have a team that is doing a really good job this year with our forwards at getting traffic at the net — the D-men need to be more selfish.

“It’s not because they don’t want to score goals. It’s just we’ve got to create more consistent habits at getting pucks to the net.”

Carlo’s decision to join a three-on-one rush (off an aggressive poke check from Linus Ullmark) paid dividends.


Montgomery certainly will welcome defensemen activating and joining the play when the opportunity arises. But a solid contingency plan for manufacturing Grade A chances involves volley after volley of pucks sailing in from the blue line.

“Quality over quantity” has been a hallmark of Montgomery’s offensive approach here. Rather than snap off pucks from every angle, Bruins forwards have shifted their strategy, opting to be more selective to avoid relinquishing possession.

But as much as the forwards have adhered to that strategy, 14 teams have generated more high-danger scoring chances per 60 minutes of five-on-five play than the Bruins’ 11.75.

As evidenced by Danton Heinen’s first-period tally against Buffalo — a rebound goal generated off a shot from McAvoy — an easy way to juice that rate is for defensemen to hammer pucks often, at least when black-and-gold sweaters are parked near the crease.

“If the defenseman is outside the dots and we have two at the net, take the shot,” Montgomery explained. “No one’s in your shot lane. The chances of that going in if we have two at the net is really good.

“You have no one at the net? You don’t want anyone to shoot that puck.”

The Bruins’ attack is no longer anchored by star centers Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci. Proven stalwarts Taylor Hall and Tyler Bertuzzi aren’t putting defenses on the ropes off rush chances and net-front scrambles.

But as long as their revamped forward group keeps planting itself around the net, the chances will be there. All it takes is a few blasts from the blue line to set Montgomery’s plans in motion.
 
My issue isn’t Freddy at all. What did the Bruins do when Gudas rocked him and sent him to the room a few weeks back? How about when Josh Brown leveled him and gave him a concussion. Freddy has to stick up for 20 teammates but no one sticks up for him. Like what others have said it’s a team issue.

Many years ago Lucic got rocked into the boards from behind. First guy in without hesitation was Savard throwing haymakers. It was against Dallas. Everyone on the ice was going at it after. Bruins dont have that mentality and that’s the issue IMO
All 5 guys were on Dahlin the other night for that hit...I get your post was about Freddy, but maybe it had something to do with playing with Coyle (does he have any career fights?) and Hall last year on his line. Neither guy is very fiery. Savard, although small, always had some attitude to him.
 
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Hockey games are decided by who scores more goals.

Rumbles are decided by who inflicts the most pain.
Damn, it's almost as if Boston wasn't up by 4 or 5 goals when the opposing team was running around.

Exactly.

Its not the same league any more.



Probably not, but its something to strife for.
Yes it is.

We see the game completely differently, and it's fine.
 
Damn, it's almost as if Boston wasn't up by 4 or 5 goals when the opposing team was running around.


Yes it is.

We see the game completely differently, and it's fine.
I can't get my side across as it's futile. Jus think the team needs to add more heavy artillery to go to war in the playoffs. Some think it's only goals that are needed come playoff time. I guess I saw a different first round than others last year. Just glad we have Lucic. Thought we'd have a physical Frederic and we'd be set up front but he's a ghost. Hoping for a physical d man to add to the mix. Hopefully Don sees it that way too.
 
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Damn, it's almost as if Boston wasn't up by 4 or 5 goals when the opposing team was running around.


Yes it is.

We see the game completely differently, and it's fine.
I was trying to figure out who these bad asses were on Buffalo. I actually had Clifton number one. I can never get over Tony DeAngelo dropping Okposo with a straight right to the jaw so I can’t count him. Tage Thompson was out of game but only fight I saw him in Kevan Miller lit him up.

Dylan Couzins ? BWAHAHAHAH

Bruins fans should stop worrying so much
 
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I was trying to figure out who these bad asses were on Buffalo. I actually had Clifton number one. I can never get over Tony DeAngelo dropping Okposo with a straight right to the jaw so I can’t count him. Tage Thompson was out of game but only fight I saw him in Kevan Miller lit him up.

Dylan Couzins ? BWAHAHAHAH

Bruins fans should stop worrying so much
It may be besides the point, but getting lit up against K Miller, doesn't mean much beyond that he should not fight Lucic, unless he has really upped his game.

I think K Miller would tune up Frederick more often then not if they fought multiple times. And I like Freddy. K Miller was a tough dude.
 
I was trying to figure out who these bad asses were on Buffalo. I actually had Clifton number one. I can never get over Tony DeAngelo dropping Okposo with a straight right to the jaw so I can’t count him. Tage Thompson was out of game but only fight I saw him in Kevan Miller lit him up.

Dylan Couzins ? BWAHAHAHAH

Bruins fans should stop worrying so much
Even more reason to assert yourself and not let these nerds push you around.
 
It may be besides the point, but getting lit up against K Miller, doesn't mean much beyond that he should not fight Lucic, unless he has really upped his game.

I think K Miller would tune up Frederick more often then not if they fought multiple times. And I like Freddy. K Miller was a tough dude.
Probably would have, K. Miller had that McQuaid look in his eyes. Freddy is a little bigger physically though.
 
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It may be besides the point, but getting lit up against K Miller, doesn't mean much beyond that he should not fight Lucic, unless he has really upped his game.

I think K Miller would tune up Frederick more often then not if they fought multiple times. And I like Freddy. K Miller was a tough dude.
Miller would probably flatline Frederic.
 
Damn, it's almost as if Boston wasn't up by 4 or 5 goals when the opposing team was running around.


Yes it is.

We see the game completely differently, and it's fine.

In 2010-11 there were 20 players with over 130 penalty minutes. Last season there were 2.

Maroon had 150 minutes last season to lead the league. In 2010-11 Zeno Konopka led the league with 307 minutes. 14 other players had over 150 minutes. Guys like Lucic, Jodie Shelby, Matt Cooke, Colten Orr and Shawn Thornton weren't even in the top 20.

And you think the league is the same today as it was then?
 
In 2010-11 there were 20 players with over 130 penalty minutes. Last season there were 2.

Maroon had 150 minutes last season to lead the league. In 2010-11 Zeno Konopka led the league with 307 minutes. 14 other players had over 150 minutes. Guys like Lucic, Jodie Shelby, Matt Cooke, Colten Orr and Shawn Thornton weren't even in the top 20.

And you think the league is the same today as it was then?
Nothing significant has changed with the rules. A fighting major is a fighting major at the end of the day.

It was rougher, sure, but that doesn't mean once 2020 hits everything from years past goes the way of the Dodo.

You can say that the pure enforcer is all but gone, I'd agree with that.
 
Even more reason to assert yourself and not let these nerds push you around.
Get Lucic back and Monty can tell him to give Buffalo players 8X10 personally autographed by Looch if they behave. I would imagine Cliffy calls him Mr Lucic anyways
 
Last year, the Bruins had 7 more fights and averaged more than two (2) hits per game more than the Panthers in the regular season. They also had twice as many fights (28 to 14) as the Vegas Golden Knights. Something to consider.

And the bruins got their asses whooped up and down the ice physically by florida in the playoffs.

The only time they battled back physically was when they got embarrassed with 2 minutes left in game 2. Besides that they laid down the whole series for the most part.
 
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They are all tough just to play in NHL - are any legit scary bad asses beyond 4 or 5 guys ?

Lucic is at top of food chain, Marcus Foligno is a good fighter. Trouba excellent skills. Desaulniers & Gudbranson. Tom Wilson excluding the McQuaid beatdown is very good. Trent Frederic top 10 on any fight list. Reaves is washed at near 40
Marchy pound for pound might be best

That’s off the top of my head it
 
They are all tough just to play in NHL - are any legit scary bad asses beyond 4 or 5 guys ?

Lucic is at top of food chain, Marcus Foligno is a good fighter. Trouba excellent skills. Desaulniers & Gudbranson. Tom Wilson excluding the McQuaid beatdown is very good. Trent Frederic top 10 on any fight list,

That’s off the top of my head it
Lucic
Reaves
Xhekaj
MacDermid
Johnston
Deslauriers
Gudbranson
Jeannot
Lowry
Tinordi
Foligno Bros

I'd put all those guys ahead of Frederic. That said, Frederic is a solid #2 on the team. Then you have guys like Wilson, Kostin, Martin etc.
 
Here's what I notice .There's a scuffle , mostly the opposing team is there first to protect their own in full force Bruins dribble in later with a smaller army. I'll pay more attention in future games to altercations.
Maybe this will change after the fiasco last game
 
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And the bruins got their asses whooped up and down the ice physically by florida in the playoffs.

The only time they battled back physically was when they got embarrassed with 2 minutes left in game 2. Besides that they laid down the whole series for the most part.
100%
 
Sneaky good fighter is Nick Seeler for Philly. He’s more of a depth defenseman but he’s a tough dude. He got the better end of Deslauriers recently.

There were rumors of him being available last TDL but I’d take him as a spare over Mitchell any day. He’s also an upcoming UFA for what it’s worth.

Also, Bruins should sign Ethan Bear when he is healthy in December. I would imagine Vancouver is probably the top of his list but money talks. He’d be an upgrade on Shattenkirk. You could sell him on a Cliffy role and how that worked out for him.
 
Lucic
Reaves
Xhekaj
MacDermid
Johnston
Deslauriers
Gudbranson
Jeannot
Lowry
Tinordi
Foligno Bros

I'd put all those guys ahead of Frederic. That said, Frederic is a solid #2 on the team. Then you have guys like Wilson, Kostin, Martin etc.
Go watch Tinordi fight in AHL he literally got face broken and mentally he was a mess - Trouba would destroy him

Reaves is a shell of self

Tom Wilson should be on this
 
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