Boston Bruins 2023-2024 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion IV

[Sheppy]

Game 5 was the most disappointing sporting event I ever attended in person.

Watching it on tv was brutal. I don’t think I’ve been that speechless.

 

[Tbaybruin]

Everything went right in the regular season. The opposite in the playoffs. I think they learned a valuable lesson. I believe a 2024 cup will happen vs the canucks. Although I worry about Miller and a vey good goalie in Vancouver. MaCAvoy shows he the best all around Dman in the league. We win in 7

 

[PlayMakers]

I saw a good 3-4 healthy runs by Buffalo players as the game went on and I can't remember any Bruin giving it back. Seems to be the brand of hockey people want this team to play, though.

Maybe the Bruins were tough enough to shake off those 3-4 legal hits without throwing a tantrum.

I'm going to take the mod hat off because this next bit isn't going to be well received...

I find the HF Fight Club to be the most sensitive posters on the board. You guys talk about toughness but are borderline hysterical every time someone takes a good hit. There's hitting in hockey, get over it. It's a lot tougher to take a hit to make a play than to run someone in a defenseless position, or jump a guy 4on1 for throwing a big hit.

You guys also blame every playoff loss on toughness. You keep saying "people don't get it." We understand the Bruins were outhit. We understand they lost the physical battle. We just don't think that's the reason they lost.

Don't get me wrong. I like toughness too, I lobbied for Lucic and would love Zadorov at a reasonable number. I also believe physical play and intimidation can be a weapon. I just think it ranks pretty far down the list of what makes/breaks a playoff team. I'd say the dediding factors are more likely...

1. Goaltending,
2. Health
3. 5on5 play
4. Penalty kill
5. Power play
6. Toughness

You can't win a cup without great goaltending, or good health or good 5on5 play. You just can't. You can be a skill team like Colorado or Pittsburgh and win multiple cups. I do believe you can offset some of your weaknesses with toughness. The Bruins 2011 team had goaltending, health and 5on5 play. They also had a great PK, but they had a terrible power play. They off-set their shortcomings with toughness. And I agree, it was so much fun. I know you really want that style to come back. I miss it too. But it's not the only way to win, it's not even a pre-requisite. And it sucks to listen to you guys constantly piss on the Bruins because they're not the 2011 team. It sucks to see Bruins "fans" constantly belittle the Bruins for not playing the way you want them to play.

Apologies to the offended. Apologies to the mods for a very unmod post.

 

[Therick67]

Maybe the Bruins were tough enough to shake off those 3-4 legal hits without throwing a tantrum.

I'm going to take the mod hat off because this next bit isn't going to be well received...

I find the HF Fight Club to be the most sensitive posters on the board. You guys talk about toughness but are borderline hysterical every time someone takes a good hit. There's hitting in hockey, get over it. It's a lot tougher to take a hit to make a play than to run someone in a defenseless position, or jump a guy 4on1 for throwing a big hit.

You guys also blame every playoff loss on toughness. You keep saying "people don't get it." We understand the Bruins were outhit. We understand they lost the physical battle. We just don't think that's the reason they lost.

Don't get me wrong. I like toughness too, I lobbied for Lucic and would love Zadorov at a reasonable number. I also believe physical play and intimidation can be a weapon. I just think it ranks pretty far down the list of what makes/breaks a playoff team. I'd say the dediding factors are more likely...

1. Goaltending,
2. Health
3. 5on5 play
4. Penalty kill
5. Power play
6. Toughness

You can't win a cup without great goaltending, or good health or good 5on5 play. You just can't. You can be a skill team like Colorado or Pittsburgh and win multiple cups. I do believe you can offset some of your weaknesses with toughness. The Bruins 2011 team had goaltending, health and 5on5 play. They also had a great PK, but they had a terrible power play. They off-set their shortcomings with toughness. And I agree, it was so much fun. I know you really want that style to come back. I miss it too. But it's not the only way to win, it's not even a pre-requisite. And it sucks to listen to you guys constantly piss on the Bruins because they're not the 2011 team. It sucks to see Bruins "fans" constantly belittle the Bruins for not playing the way you want them to play.

Apologies to the offended. Apologies to the mods for a very unmod post.

Let’s no forget coaching, because I think Monty was a big reason they lost..

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Maybe the Bruins were tough enough to shake off those 3-4 legal hits without throwing a tantrum.

I'm going to take the mod hat off because this next bit isn't going to be well received...

I find the HF Fight Club to be the most sensitive posters on the board. You guys talk about toughness but are borderline hysterical every time someone takes a good hit. There's hitting in hockey, get over it. It's a lot tougher to take a hit to make a play than to run someone in a defenseless position, or jump a guy 4on1 for throwing a big hit.

You guys also blame every playoff loss on toughness. You keep saying "people don't get it." We understand the Bruins were outhit. We understand they lost the physical battle. We just don't think that's the reason they lost.

Don't get me wrong. I like toughness too, I lobbied for Lucic and would love Zadorov at a reasonable number. I also believe physical play and intimidation can be a weapon. I just think it ranks pretty far down the list of what makes/breaks a playoff team. I'd say the dediding factors are more likely...

1. Goaltending,
2. Health
3. 5on5 play
4. Penalty kill
5. Power play
6. Toughness

You can't win a cup without great goaltending, or good health or good 5on5 play. You just can't. You can be a skill team like Colorado or Pittsburgh and win multiple cups. I do believe you can offset some of your weaknesses with toughness. The Bruins 2011 team had goaltending, health and 5on5 play. They also had a great PK, but they had a terrible power play. They off-set their shortcomings with toughness. And I agree, it was so much fun. I know you really want that style to come back. I miss it too. But it's not the only way to win, it's not even a pre-requisite. And it sucks to listen to you guys constantly piss on the Bruins because they're not the 2011 team. It sucks to see Bruins "fans" constantly belittle the Bruins for not playing the way you want them to play.

Apologies to the offended. Apologies to the mods for a very unmod post.

If I could take this post out for an app, entree, dessert, and two Margaritas at a moderately priced chain restaurant I would do it tomorrow.

 

[sarge88]

Maybe the Bruins were tough enough to shake off those 3-4 legal hits without throwing a tantrum.

I'm going to take the mod hat off because this next bit isn't going to be well received...

I find the HF Fight Club to be the most sensitive posters on the board. You guys talk about toughness but are borderline hysterical every time someone takes a good hit. There's hitting in hockey, get over it. It's a lot tougher to take a hit to make a play than to run someone in a defenseless position, or jump a guy 4on1 for throwing a big hit.

You guys also blame every playoff loss on toughness. You keep saying "people don't get it." We understand the Bruins were outhit. We understand they lost the physical battle. We just don't think that's the reason they lost.

Don't get me wrong. I like toughness too, I lobbied for Lucic and would love Zadorov at a reasonable number. I also believe physical play and intimidation can be a weapon. I just think it ranks pretty far down the list of what makes/breaks a playoff team. I'd say the dediding factors are more likely...

1. Goaltending,
2. Health
3. 5on5 play
4. Penalty kill
5. Power play
6. Toughness

You can't win a cup without great goaltending, or good health or good 5on5 play. You just can't. You can be a skill team like Colorado or Pittsburgh and win multiple cups. I do believe you can offset some of your weaknesses with toughness. The Bruins 2011 team had goaltending, health and 5on5 play. They also had a great PK, but they had a terrible power play. They off-set their shortcomings with toughness. And I agree, it was so much fun. I know you really want that style to come back. I miss it too. But it's not the only way to win, it's not even a pre-requisite. And it sucks to listen to you guys constantly piss on the Bruins because they're not the 2011 team. It sucks to see Bruins "fans" constantly belittle the Bruins for not playing the way you want them to play.

Apologies to the offended. Apologies to the mods for a very unmod post.

Fair points.

The only thing I’ll say in my personal defense is that I don’t want them to be tougher because I enjoy blood, guts and gore. I want them to be tougher because I’m invested in this team and the players and I don’t enjoy watching players I root for getting roughed up without ramification.

I‘m being sincere when I say this. I like the vast majority of players on this team, just like everyone who will read this.

I don’t like watching them get taken advantage of when vulnerable and when it happens I want the one(s) responsible to pay for it.

If that makes me a knuckle dragging Neanderthal, then so be it.

 

[Bodit9]

For me it's not about fighting . Team just has to be immediately responsive when teammates are being abused. Push back do some abusing.

Can't believe no one lined up Cozens after he bodyslammed Pasta. WTF???

 

[TobanWest]

Fair points.

The only thing I’ll say in my personal defense is that I don’t want them to be tougher because I enjoy blood, guts and gore. I want them to be tougher because I’m invested in this team and the players and I don’t enjoy watching players I root for getting roughed up without ramification.

I‘m being sincere when I say this. I like the vast majority of players on this team, just like everyone who will read this.

I don’t like watching them get taken advantage of when vulnerable and when it happens I want the one(s) responsible to pay for it.

If that makes me a knuckle dragging Neanderthal, then so be it.

I agree with Playmakers and this post. It takes a lot to win the cup. All aspects of the game and I'd also like to see more hard play. Can want both things.

 

[Gordoff]

If I could take this post out for an app, entree, dessert, and two Margaritas at a moderately priced chain restaurant I would do it tomorrow.

Watch out Bill

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Maybe the Bruins were tough enough to shake off those 3-4 legal hits without throwing a tantrum.

I'm going to take the mod hat off because this next bit isn't going to be well received...

I find the HF Fight Club to be the most sensitive posters on the board. You guys talk about toughness but are borderline hysterical every time someone takes a good hit. There's hitting in hockey, get over it. It's a lot tougher to take a hit to make a play than to run someone in a defenseless position, or jump a guy 4on1 for throwing a big hit.

You guys also blame every playoff loss on toughness. You keep saying "people don't get it." We understand the Bruins were outhit. We understand they lost the physical battle. We just don't think that's the reason they lost.

Don't get me wrong. I like toughness too, I lobbied for Lucic and would love Zadorov at a reasonable number. I also believe physical play and intimidation can be a weapon. I just think it ranks pretty far down the list of what makes/breaks a playoff team. I'd say the dediding factors are more likely...

1. Goaltending,
2. Health
3. 5on5 play
4. Penalty kill
5. Power play
6. Toughness

You can't win a cup without great goaltending, or good health or good 5on5 play. You just can't. You can be a skill team like Colorado or Pittsburgh and win multiple cups. I do believe you can offset some of your weaknesses with toughness. The Bruins 2011 team had goaltending, health and 5on5 play. They also had a great PK, but they had a terrible power play. They off-set their shortcomings with toughness. And I agree, it was so much fun. I know you really want that style to come back. I miss it too. But it's not the only way to win, it's not even a pre-requisite. And it sucks to listen to you guys constantly piss on the Bruins because they're not the 2011 team. It sucks to see Bruins "fans" constantly belittle the Bruins for not playing the way you want them to play.

Apologies to the offended. Apologies to the mods for a very unmod post.

Way I look at it is, if Marchand raises the puck an inch or two at the end of game 5 nobody is talking about toughness. If the bruins weren’t tough enough, they never would have been in that position in the first place.

A bunch of other things went wrong to extend the series to allow the physical play of Florida to become a factor.

Series should have been over in 5, 6 at the most.

They shit the bed in many other areas before “toughness” became a deciding factor.

 

[hrdpuk]

I'm talking about this year. F*ck the past. I don't live there. We need the team mentality to be adjusted. To push back.

 

[The Storm]

Freddy's decent but he isn't the most technical (doesn't have a lot outside of wild rights). He should take notes from Lucic and watch some Rick Rypien clips

Yeah you're right. Not like Tie Domi who could pound away with either hand. His last fight was mildly entertaining. Looks like Lucic might have showed him a couple of things.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

Maybe the Bruins were tough enough to shake off those 3-4 legal hits without throwing a tantrum.

I'm going to take the mod hat off because this next bit isn't going to be well received...

I find the HF Fight Club to be the most sensitive posters on the board. You guys talk about toughness but are borderline hysterical every time someone takes a good hit. There's hitting in hockey, get over it. It's a lot tougher to take a hit to make a play than to run someone in a defenseless position, or jump a guy 4on1 for throwing a big hit.

You guys also blame every playoff loss on toughness. You keep saying "people don't get it." We understand the Bruins were outhit. We understand they lost the physical battle. We just don't think that's the reason they lost.

Don't get me wrong. I like toughness too, I lobbied for Lucic and would love Zadorov at a reasonable number. I also believe physical play and intimidation can be a weapon. I just think it ranks pretty far down the list of what makes/breaks a playoff team. I'd say the dediding factors are more likely...

1. Goaltending,
2. Health
3. 5on5 play
4. Penalty kill
5. Power play
6. Toughness

You can't win a cup without great goaltending, or good health or good 5on5 play. You just can't. You can be a skill team like Colorado or Pittsburgh and win multiple cups. I do believe you can offset some of your weaknesses with toughness. The Bruins 2011 team had goaltending, health and 5on5 play. They also had a great PK, but they had a terrible power play. They off-set their shortcomings with toughness. And I agree, it was so much fun. I know you really want that style to come back. I miss it too. But it's not the only way to win, it's not even a pre-requisite. And it sucks to listen to you guys constantly piss on the Bruins because they're not the 2011 team. It sucks to see Bruins "fans" constantly belittle the Bruins for not playing the way you want them to play.

Apologies to the offended. Apologies to the mods for a very unmod post.

Great post ......I still want it ALL!!! ...in all seriousness #6 Toughness can have a very positive impact on:
#1 Goaltending (clear the crease, make them afraid of the paint),
#2 Health (by limiting the oppositions cheap shots..keeping them honest),
#3 5on5 play (giving our skilled player that extra space/second to make plays because the opposition knows there are consequences)

 

[DKH]

Game 5 was the most disappointing sporting event I ever attended in person.

One tean out shot the other 21-0 after a significant move

1. Which team had the 21 straight shots
2. What preceded it

 

[sarge88]

One tean out shot the other 21-0 after a significant move

1. Which team had the 21 straight shots
2. What preceded it

My memory isn’t as good as it once was.

My takeaway was then and is now that Lauko in for Frederic was a bad move.

 

[DKH]

Who on my top 10 list aren’t you impressed with? Who has Frederic beat to earn a spot in the top 10?

It’s a very good List -the problem is like @sarge88 we grew up watching Byers & Miller and Probert & Kocur

These tough guys nowadays are from different world

Your list Tinordi doesn’t belong - he’s doing it to hang around I believe if he had Carlo or even Forbort ability he’d avoid fighting unless a significant reason to like major cheap shot or Goalie run

Now his dad was fantastic

 

[bob77]

Maybe the Bruins were tough enough to shake off those 3-4 legal hits without throwing a tantrum.

I'm going to take the mod hat off because this next bit isn't going to be well received...

I find the HF Fight Club to be the most sensitive posters on the board. You guys talk about toughness but are borderline hysterical every time someone takes a good hit. There's hitting in hockey, get over it. It's a lot tougher to take a hit to make a play than to run someone in a defenseless position, or jump a guy 4on1 for throwing a big hit.

You guys also blame every playoff loss on toughness. You keep saying "people don't get it." We understand the Bruins were outhit. We understand they lost the physical battle. We just don't think that's the reason they lost.

Don't get me wrong. I like toughness too, I lobbied for Lucic and would love Zadorov at a reasonable number. I also believe physical play and intimidation can be a weapon. I just think it ranks pretty far down the list of what makes/breaks a playoff team. I'd say the dediding factors are more likely...

1. Goaltending,
2. Health
3. 5on5 play
4. Penalty kill
5. Power play
6. Toughness

You can't win a cup without great goaltending, or good health or good 5on5 play. You just can't. You can be a skill team like Colorado or Pittsburgh and win multiple cups. I do believe you can offset some of your weaknesses with toughness. The Bruins 2011 team had goaltending, health and 5on5 play. They also had a great PK, but they had a terrible power play. They off-set their shortcomings with toughness. And I agree, it was so much fun. I know you really want that style to come back. I miss it too. But it's not the only way to win, it's not even a pre-requisite. And it sucks to listen to you guys constantly piss on the Bruins because they're not the 2011 team. It sucks to see Bruins "fans" constantly belittle the Bruins for not playing the way you want them to play.

Apologies to the offended. Apologies to the mods for a very unmod post.

You mean I didn’t go to the fights the other nights? But instead I showed up at a hockey game? A take on RD.

 

[DKH]

Do you agree the 2010-11 Bruins will go down as the last great tough team?

It was a 70-80’s team that featured 4 high end intimidating players who were top fighters : Chara, Lucic, McQuaid, and Thornton and another handful like Ference, Boychuk, Horton, Seidenberg, and Campbell who would - and Marchand had his own category. The goalie Thomas was even edgy on the ice.

The refs let them play in the Finals - that was key. They seemed to hate Vancouver as much as us. To me it was like watching rich private school entitled brats against a public school of a combo good players and a handful of tough kids who went out for the hockey team

My memory isn’t as good as it once was.

My takeaway was then and is now that Lauko in for Frederic was a bad move.

Bruins

The move that started it was breaking up Monty first line of
LW Marchand C Coyle RW Foligno

And putting Bergeron up there and dropping Foligno & Coyle to 3rd line

Unfortunately Bruins were losing at time

 

[UncleRico]

One tean out shot the other 21-0 after a significant move

1. Which team had the 21 straight shots
2. What preceded it

Getting out shot 21-0 isn’t the coaches fault. That is an effort issue on the players. That’s just embarassing.

 

[dugg133]

Bruins News & Rumors: Swayman, Lucic, Zadorov & Grzelcyk - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

Jeremy Swayman could get an extension from the Boston Bruins at the start of 2024, while some injury updates have been provided.

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"Per Boston Hockey Now’s Jimmy Murphy, an NHL source told him that he thinks that “Sweeney’s in on Zadorov.” That same source also noted that they “know for a fact Sweeney’s looked into him before.” Now that Zadorov wants out of Calgary, it certainly would be a good time for the Bruins to make a push for him."

Honest question, when a guy goes on the trade market has Murphy ever NOT put out an article saying the bruins are interested? Feel like he has a "source" that says the bruins are interested in literally every single player that is made available. Sports journalism seems like the easiest job in the world.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

"Per Boston Hockey Now’s Jimmy Murphy, an NHL source told him that he thinks that “Sweeney’s in on Zadorov.” That same source also noted that they “know for a fact Sweeney’s looked into him before.” Now that Zadorov wants out of Calgary, it certainly would be a good time for the Bruins to make a push for him."

Honest question, when a guy goes on the trade market has Murphy ever NOT put out an article saying the bruins are interested? Feel like he has a "source" that says the bruins are interested in literally every single player that is made available. Sports journalism seems like the easiest job in the world.

Lol...I'm hoping this one is actually true. I don't want him to go to the leafs and he fills a few needs for the Bruins IMO (toughness and Bomb from the point) ...I think you can sell Calgary on Gryz plus maybe Zboril as a reclamation project 1st round draft pick, also might have to throw in a 2nd/3rd. I'm sure other teams could put together a better offer though but we might be able to price the Leafs out of the Zadorov market. which is also a win.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Lol...I'm hoping this one is actually true. I don't want him to go to the leafs and he fills a few needs for the Bruins IMO (toughness and Bomb from the point) ...I think you can sell Calgary on Gryz plus maybe Zboril as a reclamation project 1st round draft pick, also might have to throw in a 2nd/3rd. I'm sure other teams could put together a better offer though but we might be able to price the Leafs out of the Zadorov market. which is also a win.

But is Zadarov really a better hockey player than Gyz? He's bigger, and has a harder shot maybe that is enough. Does a Zadarov/Forbert pair work on the ice? The only reason you would consider making a Gryz deal is because you want Lohrei in the lineup all the time.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

But is Zadarov really a better hockey player than Gyz? He's bigger, and has a harder shot maybe that is enough. Does a Zadarov/Forbert pair work on the ice? The only reason you would consider making a Gryz deal is because you want Lohrei in the lineup all the time.

Lots of different combos to try with Zadorov in and Gryz out, doesn't have to include Lohrie staying up. For instance he could be the defensive guy that lets Charlie take more offensive risks and occasionally bomb one from the point. Carlo/Lindholm and Shat/Forbort. I know ..Zadorov predominantly has played RD but he's a left handed shot...so maybe LD might work. Maybe put Forbort with Charlie (not sure what their metrics look like as a pairing) and Zadorov on the 3rd LD with Shatty (RD)... or 3rd pairing with Lohrei (LD) annd Zadaroz in his natural RD position..Shatty being the 7th with spot starts depending on the opposition. Just spit balling, lots of options.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Lots of different combos to try with Zadorov in and Gryz out, doesn't have to include Lohrie staying up. For instance he could be the defensive guy that lets Charlie take more offensive risks and occasionally bomb one from the point. Carlo/Lindholm and Shat/Forbort. I know ..Zadorov predominantly has played RD but he's a left handed shot...so maybe LD might work. Maybe put Forbort with Charlie (not sure what their metrics look like as a pairing) and Zadorov on the 3rd LD with Shatty (RD)... or 3rd pairing with Lohrei (LD) annd Zadaroz in his natural RD position..Shatty being the 7th with spot starts depending on the opposition. Just spit balling, lots of options.

None of this is good. Forbort with McAvoy? Come on. Zadorov is incredibly sheltered and is not up for playing the kind of matchups a first pair gives you - you can’t put him with McAvoy either. He’d be a Forbort replacement - that’s it. Playing both of them in the lineup at the same time would be a disaster.

 

[Hookslide]

Two massive chokes in game 6 and 7 and a very winnable game in game 5

The Bruins did not choke as much as the decision making of playing your "INJURED" top two centers, and your "INJURED " goaltender . The coach if anyone was the "choker" .