Prospect Info: [2023 - 110th] Bogdan Konyushkov (KHL - Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod)

[schwang26]

He was very good, just the prevailing thought was his production would translate from the Swedish second league to the top as most players did. Then he didn't. Then he had a great playoffs. Then he struggled a lot the next season across three leagues including the NHL. Then last year he seemed to progress a lot at the end of the season after being dicked with the whole year in terms of icectime, leaving some speculation he could still develop. He's been very up and down since being drafted.

This season will be pretty crucial for him but Laval's coaches don't seem to like or trust him so he's working from behind compared to Trudeau or Beaudin who will eat top 4 minutes. Struble is also coming in to take minutes. Mailloux will probably steal that top pairing PP time Norlinder should have been getting the past two years but didn't. Then Wideman is probably going to go down as well. Norlinder is not in good position as we are super deep on D.

I never was that impressed by him. He had the occasional good play and he can move the puck, but I found him lacking, especially for an offensive D. I'd have to check, but I don't think he even really produced much in Sweden. I never saw the hype.

Just checked and ya, his production wasn't great in Sweden. In fact, it dropped after his first year. And yes, I'm well aware it's not the same production over there as in NA, but apples to apples, they weren't great.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

He was very good, just the prevailing thought was his production would translate from the Swedish second league to the top as most players did. Then he didn't. Then he had a great playoffs. Then he struggled a lot the next season across three leagues including the NHL. Then last year he seemed to progress a lot at the end of the season after being dicked with the whole year in terms of icectime, leaving some speculation he could still develop. He's been very up and down since being drafted.

This season will be pretty crucial for him but Laval's coaches don't seem to like or trust him so he's working from behind compared to Trudeau or Beaudin who will eat top 4 minutes. Struble is also coming in to take minutes. Mailloux will probably steal that top pairing PP time Norlinder should have been getting the past two years but didn't. Then Wideman is probably going to go down as well. Norlinder is not in good position as we are super deep on D.

Yeah it’s amazing how many seem to forget he showed plus, skating, plus hands and plus shot a few years back. Don’t know if the injuries played a part but like you said very up and down. It’s not looking good but he seemed to improve in the 2nd half. Would be hilarious if he became relevant again and we’re even more stacked back there

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I never was that impressed by him. He had the occasional good play and he can move the puck, but I found him lacking, especially for an offensive D. I'd have to check, but I don't think he even really produced much in Sweden. I never saw the hype.

Just checked and ya, his production wasn't great in Sweden. In fact, it dropped after his first year. And yes, I'm well aware it's not the same production over there as in NA, but apples to apples, they weren't great.

Nah the production was there. D+1 was great. SHL playoff totals were very solid. Injuries were a thing. He slowly stagnated and regressed though. The talent is/was there. Lot of revisionism going on.

 

[Wats]

... and then, at that point, you are supposed to tell what you heard , so people could be happy instead of frustrated , eating all the ice cream to compensate


then don't stop to type

Well the only other way to scout him then would be in person. Kinda goes without saying.

 

[schwang26]

Nah the production was there. D+1 was great. SHL playoff totals were very solid. Injuries were a thing. He slowly stagnated and regressed though. The talent is/was there. Lot of revisionism going on.

He had a decent playoffs, but regular season he went from 10 points to 2 points the next year. How's that solid?

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Oh how quickly we forget

He had a decent playoffs, but regular season he went from 10 points to 2 points the next year. How's that solid?

Well if you were talking specifically about his D+3 then absolutely. I thought you meant his tenure there as a whole.

Injuries were a thing. He did regress though but some are acting like there was never anything there

 

[schwang26]

Oh how quickly we forget


Well if you were talking specifically about his D+3 then absolutely. I thought you meant his tenure there as a whole.

Injuries were a thing. He did regress though but some are acting like there was never anything there

Ya but the year he had 18 points was a junior league. That wasn't SHL. Anyway, sure he had flashes, but compared to what we have now, he's been passed over big time. Trudeau is even way ahead of him. Don't get me wrong, I hope every prospect succeeds.

 

[Big Lurk]

And to think, we thought Norlinder was good! What were we smoking???

"Yo this Bergevin pack is mid, mah boi"

But seriously, what made MB think Norlinder was close 3 years ago?

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Ya but the year he had 18 points was a junior league. That wasn't SHL. Anyway, sure he had flashes, but compared to what we have now, he's been passed over big time. Trudeau is even way ahead of him. Don't get me wrong, I hope every prospect succeeds.

It was the alsvenakan league. 2nd tier pro league. Not quite SHL but a big step up from Sweden junior. Some of those alsvenskan teams make their way up to the SHL if I’m not mistaken.

Oh I’m definitely not betting on him. I’m just rebutting the posters that are saying he wasn’t much of anything. I’ll fully concede I overrated him at the time but he really went sideways in his development. He was plenty talented.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Is this now the Bogdan Norlinderkov thread?

 

[Wateredgarden]

i remember when our only hope would be guys like Farrell and Norlinder during the Timmins 10 years dry spell. I'm just happy we have actual hope now.

 

[Tyson]

i remember when our only hope would be guys like Farrell and Norlinder during the Timmins 10 years dry spell. I'm just happy we have actual hope now.

We still lack top end talent at the forward group. Embarrassing to think that Mesar is our only 1st rounder amongst non NHL prospects

 

[Ezpz]

i remember when our only hope would be guys like Farrell and Norlinder during the Timmins 10 years dry spell. I'm just happy we have actual hope now.

I think the fact that Farrell has progressed extremely well and still is barely a top ten prospect for us is a good sign. Timmins, for all his faults, started hitting or attempting to hit homeruns again after Bergevin stopped trading picks. I think they kept trying to draft "safe" when they'd only have six picks in a draft and no second rounder.

Guhle, Trudeau, Dobes, Farrell, Mailloux, Kidney, Roy, Caufield, Struble, RHP, Harris, Ylonen, Norlinder, Romanov, are all interesting prospects or NHLers that Timmins got in his last four years (didn't include KK cause that's just straight up a bad pick at #3 overall, his progression would be good as a mid-late first) There's a lot of busts too but it shows when you hoard picks you're able to make those longshot attempts more often. Not to mention he's the one who invited and asked Bergevin to sign Xhekaj.

Just take the 2019 draft for example, RHP was one of those extra picks. If we'd had less picks, the team probably would have went with only Arsen Khisamutdinov who is basically a plug at 25.

It has been quite the turnaround, there were many years where Gallagher and Price with 1-3 others were the only drafted guys on the team. This year we're going in with at least 8-9 + Xhekaj. Nick Suzuki was basically developed by us as well, as he never played for Vegas and only attended one camp with them.

 

[montreal]

I think the fact that Farrell has progressed extremely well and still is barely a top ten prospect for us is a good sign. Timmins, for all his faults, started hitting or attempting to hit homeruns again after Bergevin stopped trading picks. I think they kept trying to draft "safe" when they'd only have six picks in a draft and no second rounder.

Guhle, Trudeau, Dobes, Farrell, Mailloux, Kidney, Roy, Caufield, Struble, RHP, Harris, Ylonen, Norlinder, Romanov, are all interesting prospects or NHLers that Timmins got in his last four years (didn't include KK cause that's just straight up a bad pick at #3 overall, his progression would be good as a mid-late first) There's a lot of busts too but it shows when you hoard picks you're able to make those longshot attempts more often. Not to mention he's the one who invited and asked Bergevin to sign Xhekaj.

Just take the 2019 draft for example, RHP was one of those extra picks. If we'd had less picks, the team probably would have went with only Arsen Khisamutdinov who is basically a plug at 25.

It has been quite the turnaround, there were many years where Gallagher and Price with 1-3 others were the only drafted guys on the team. This year we're going in with at least 8-9 + Xhekaj. Nick Suzuki was basically developed by us as well, as he never played for Vegas and only attended one camp with them.

well said! Can't expect much from a draft when you have 1 top 100 pick or 1 top 60 pick several years running. That said had they drafted better and made better decisions in several areas things of course would look much different likely much better. But that's what happens when you just make way too many mistakes as an organization. People get fired and new guys come in to try and fix the mess.

Now we wait and see if they repeat the same mistakes or not. I can't say I feel great about some of the drafting/development so far but we'll see, should be a fun year to follow the story.

 

[Ezpz]

well said! Can't expect much from a draft when you have 1 top 100 pick or 1 top 60 pick several years running. That said had they drafted better and made better decisions in several areas things of course would look much different likely much better. But that's what happens when you just make way too many mistakes as an organization. People get fired and new guys come in to try and fix the mess.

Now we wait and see if they repeat the same mistakes or not. I can't say I feel great about some of the drafting/development so far but we'll see, should be a fun year to follow the story.

I would also add that a big issue in the Bergevin era is they didn't invest as much in development even after drafting. It is an interesting debate whether we started drafting better in 2018 or if it's because a lot of the guys drafted then came in under Hughes, Marty, and the development staff and were given chances to grow. Probably a little bit of both. So was Timmins unfairly vilified for Bergevin's poor leadership? Another debate. Timmins can be blamed too since he was promoted to assistant GM, which honestly probably wasn't smart. He really seems to only be good at scouting, particularly Dmen.

I'm just glad we're in the Hughes era where he seems to understand that you need smart people heading every aspect of drafting, development, coaching, etc. My only complaint would be finding someone who is better than Houle at the AHL level, but the truth is great coaches don't look for stable AHL development-focused gigs. Houle will never in a thousand years be an NHL coach, so it could be that the group thinks they can mold him into a good long-term AHL development coach.

 

[Wateredgarden]

I think the fact that Farrell has progressed extremely well and still is barely a top ten prospect for us is a good sign. Timmins, for all his faults, started hitting or attempting to hit homeruns again after Bergevin stopped trading picks. I think they kept trying to draft "safe" when they'd only have six picks in a draft and no second rounder.

Guhle, Trudeau, Dobes, Farrell, Mailloux, Kidney, Roy, Caufield, Struble, RHP, Harris, Ylonen, Norlinder, Romanov, are all interesting prospects or NHLers that Timmins got in his last four years (didn't include KK cause that's just straight up a bad pick at #3 overall, his progression would be good as a mid-late first) There's a lot of busts too but it shows when you hoard picks you're able to make those longshot attempts more often. Not to mention he's the one who invited and asked Bergevin to sign Xhekaj.

Just take the 2019 draft for example, RHP was one of those extra picks. If we'd had less picks, the team probably would have went with only Arsen Khisamutdinov who is basically a plug at 25.

It has been quite the turnaround, there were many years where Gallagher and Price with 1-3 others were the only drafted guys on the team. This year we're going in with at least 8-9 + Xhekaj. Nick Suzuki was basically developed by us as well, as he never played for Vegas and only attended one camp with them.

Yes i was talking from 2008 to 2017, that's 10 drafts that were almsot all wasted.

 

[26Mats]

We still lack top end talent at the forward group. Embarrassing to think that Mesar is our only 1st rounder amongst non NHL prospects

Timmins wasn't good at drafting forwards.

But since 2018 (the last year a player could potentially still be a non NHL prospect), we've drafted forwards Kotkaniemi, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Mesar, and dmen Guhle, Mailloux, and Reinbacher. We don't have any non-NHL forward prospects aside from Mesar, because all the others are in the NHL. And Guhle, Mailloux, and Reinbacher so far seem like good picks. But it's early. We also just used a 1st on Alex Newhook.

I'm warming up to Reinbacher, but still unsure about passing on Michkov. But I don't know these 18 year olds well enough.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Konyushkov just picked up an assist as the game just started.

And he is one of the result of the Jeff Petry trade (since Mike Matheson acquisition).

Amazing. Another great D prospect.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

And he is one of the result of the Jeff Petry trade (since Mike Matheson acquisition).

Amazing. Another great D prospect.

I swear I could punch you in the face and you'd just respond " wow, nice punch, man you're really strong !"

You gotta be negative sometimes.

 

[Redux91]

Immediately Konyushkov has become the Engstrom of last year lol
This new management know how to draft D looks like, shit

What's cool for Engstrom is he is still 1 year younger than Konyushkov tho lol

But pretty amazing having these 2 extra pieces of D depth on top of everything else

 

[KevSkillz4]

Immediately Konyushkov has become the Engstrom of last year lol
This new management know how to draft D looks like, shit

What's cool for Engstrom is he is still 1 year younger than Konyushkov tho lol

But pretty amazing having these 2 extra pieces of D depth on top of everything else

Yeah sound like this 100%. KHL is difficult to product for young like Konyushkov, already 5 points in 8 games, that's impressive. Another great pick in late round by Habs!

 

[HuGort]

They bragging him up on 690. Said he played 22 minutes today with a goal and 2 assist.

 

[schwang26]

We still lack top end talent at the forward group. Embarrassing to think that Mesar is our only 1st rounder amongst non NHL prospects

I'd still count Slaf in there. He didn't even finish his cup of coffee in the NHL yet. I know technically he's not of course.

 

[ole ole]

2023 Draft: the Montreal Canadiens may have made a real steal with the selection of Bogdan Konyushkov

While the Canadiens' top brass seemed hesitant to select a Russian at the fifth spot, this still didn't prevent the organization from selecting young defenseman

www.allhabs.com

 

[1909]

We still lack top end talent at the forward group. Embarrassing to think that Mesar is our only 1st rounder amongst non NHL prospects

You can't have top-end talent every year .