WJC: 2022 Team USA Roster Talk

[AmericanDream]

What a horrible league your son plays in if he gets benched for 3 months for making a mistake!! I hope this is just some hyperbole on your part.

It was hyperbole. Didn't think it needed to be stated....

 

[AmericanDream]

I really hate it when mom and dad fight...

 

[AmericanDream]

Canada has a better roster than us. You are avoiding the point.

A better roster on paper?

Great.

How many times has the US had a better roster on paper only to shit the bed last 15 years?

We have as many Gold medals as Canada does past 10 years. We do make mistakes but I would say we are clearly neck and neck with them year in and year out for this tourney.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Yeah, times are really tough up here in Canada lol, however I go back to the tone and content of your original post 683 and note that it probably isn't really as professional as you might like it to be.

Enjoy the WJC

I’m not a professional, so no requirement to act like one (whatever that means).

I didn't ask for a list of host countries.

I asked for proof of your claims that Canada manipulates the bidding process.

Proof is right there.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

The Germany game was a joke. Glorified scrimmage that counts. I can’t make any assessment off it related to medal chances but they checked the blocks — hitting, forechecking, playmaking, crashing the net. I do think Mbereko’s Intl experience in previous tournaments will help, and I liked how he clearly stayed locked in despite the lopsided totals.

The Peart turnovers are uncommon. He’s usually very reliable and sure handed. Kaiser getting walked was the bigger surprise, but again, it was a glorified scrimmage.

Hughes stood out as usual. The Devils will be a machine in 2-3 years. I don’t think any opposing WJC team has a defenseman with his complete skill set. I expect him to be physical as well.

 

[William H Bonney]

I missed the game last night. I’m curious how Kleven looked and what sort of role he is expected to have on the team?

He was his typical self - physical and defensively stout, although Germany had 2 scoring chances the entire game. He'll be a go-to penalty killer and shutdown guy.

 

[Razor Face]

He was his typical self - physical and defensively stout, although Germany had 2 scoring chances the entire game. He'll be a go-to penalty killer and shutdown guy.

Appreciate the information. Excited to see how he looks in the tougher matchups... as a sens fan hope he can take another step. Also look forward to seeing Cooley and Knies. Hope we get to see a CAN/USA gold medal game.

 

[Larmer83]

You are becoming a broken record.

There's a pot meet kettle joke in here.

 

[MuckOG]

It was hyperbole. Didn't think it needed to be stated....

On this site, one can never be certain

 

[Joe Zanussi]

I was happy w last night. Was particularly impressed w puck possession….we maintained the puck a lot and were very patient. Shirt crisp passes early were nice. The ability to keep the puck in the zone was remarkable at times. Some of the hands displayed last night were brilliant.

Mbereko was fibe. His handling of the puck did not make me feel warm and fuzzy though.

all in all, a good night. I’ll take it.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Proof is right there.

Your proof that Canada rigs the host selection process is a list of host countries?

I'd suggest you quit while you're behind.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

It is pretty ludicrous that it has been 40 years since Minnesota has hosted, one of the very few places in the world where a significant amount of people are actually passionate about amateur hockey, outside of Canada.

 

[Guttersniped]

I’m not a professional, so no requirement to act like one (whatever that means).


Proof is right there.

The WJC event is hosted so much by the Canadians because it’s an event that makes a lot of money from that market.

And you seem to be acting like US needing tickets sales to be boosted by Canadian attendees and NHL Network needing Canadian TV to handle almost all of the broadcasting duties is a conspiracy, rather than just the realities of the market.

It’s not some trickery, they aren’t manipulating anything, IIHF caters to the most profitable junior hockey market in the world for money.

And yes, this year is a boondoggle, thanks to the ridiculously overpriced tickets while this is an under-publicized reschedule event, missing a ton of big name drafted players and new scandal hanging over HC.

I’m not Canadian and don’t live in Canada, so no, I’m not sensitive about any of this, I’m just trying to understand why you’re being so silly/weird about it.

For instance, you’re list of recent host countries:

Host nations since 2009

2009 Canada
2010 Canada
2011 U.S. (Buffalo lol)
2012 Canada
2013 Russia
2014 Sweden
2015 Canada
2016 Finland
2017 Canada
2018 U.S. (Buffalo lol)
2019 Canada
2020 Czech
2021 Canada
2022 Canada
2023 Canada

CAN-9
U.S.-2
RUS-1
SWE-1
FIN-1
CZE-1

First, you don’t include.
2007 Sweden
2008 Czechia
-
2024 Sweden
2025 USA

Two,
2010 Switzerland originally won with their bid to host but withdrew and multiple Canadian bids were the only bidders.

Also this from a 2012 article

But the event is about to take a two-year hiatus from this side of the Atlantic. Ufa, Russia, gets the 2013 world championship and Sweden hosts the following year.

It comes back to Canada in 2015, 2017, 2019 and 2021. It's part of a deal Hockey Canada worked out with the International Ice Hockey Federation and approved at the IIHF's congress in 2009.

The IIHF will get a slice of Hockey Canada's profits from the tournaments starting in 2015.

Sweden was supposed to host 2022 but got bumped 2024.

That’s because Edmonton hosted the bubble 2021 WJC with no spectators and got 2022 WJC as well.

Hosting this tournament with zero spectators wasn’t windfall and this year’s tourney (the canceled bit & this do over) isn’t one either. I doubt any other countries envy Canada’s hosting privileges in 2021 or 2022.

Deep pockets needed for world junior hockey bidders

The Canadian cities intending to bid for the world junior hockey championship when it returns to this country will need large arenas and backers with deep pockets to win it.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I'm going to go ahead and stop you right there. These are all from one thread during the 2020 WJC - but I guess I don't use critical thinking...






I'm going to ignore the rest of the nonsense you just posted because its so obviously false. Your posts have become the most consistently terrible posts on this forum.

It's quite remarkable how you devote so much time to following these prospects without actually understanding the sport.

I think I'm done reading your posts in general. You get this mad after you were the one who couldn't stand my opposing view of yours. I did not quote your post or mention you. You were the one that quoted my post to start this.

I'm glad you were able to say after the fact in 2020 what everyone else did. Better than not doing so, but it would be nice if you had that same level of critical thinking beforehand. I doubt you did. You probably will be one of those that complains after the fact and acts like you thought all along what anyone who displayed any critical thinking should've known about the roster. Let the record here show who displayed critical thinking and who acted like a cheerleader.

And I find it funny you try to insult me and my understanding of the sport. Were you not the one that tried to claim last week that Russia doesn't bring draft eligible players to the WJC when they brought like five of them in December? If you are going to make such significant gaffes you shouldn't be accusatory about the knowledge of other people. I'm not even sure you displayed one thing I said that was incorrect. It was only things that you disagree with.

 

[canuck2010]

A better roster on paper?

Great.

How many times has the US had a better roster on paper only to shit the bed last 15 years?

We have as many Gold medals as Canada does past 10 years. We do make mistakes but I would say we are clearly neck and neck with them year in and year out for this tourney.

Not very often.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Your proof that Canada rigs the host selection process is a list of host countries?

I'd suggest you quit while you're behind.

You left out a key fact about that list.

The WJC event is hosted so much by the Canadians because it’s an event that makes a lot of money for that market.

And you seem to be acting like US needing tickets sales to be boosted by Canadian attendees and NHL Network needing Canadian TV to handle almost all of the broadcasting duties is a conspiracy, rather than just the realities of the market.

It’s not some trickery, they aren’t manipulating anything, IIHF caters to the most profitable junior hockey market in the world for money.

And yes, this year is a boondoggle, thanks to the ridiculously overpriced tickets while this is an under-publicized reschedule event, missing a ton of big name drafted players and new scandal hanging over HC.

I’m not Canadian and don’t live in Canada, so no, I’m not sensitive about any of this, I’m just trying to understand why you’re being so silly/weird about it.

For instance, you’re list of recent host countries:

Host nations since 2009



First, you don’t include.
2007 Sweden
2008 Czechia
-
2024 Sweden
2025 USA

Two,
2010 Switzerland originally won with their bid to host but withdrew and multiple Canadian bids were the only bidders.

Also this from a 2012 article



Sweden was supposed to host 2022 but got bumped 2024.

That’s because Edmonton hosted the bubble 2021 WJC with no spectators and got 2022 WJC as well.

Hosting this tournament with zero spectators wasn’t windfall and this year’s tourney (the canceled bit & this do over) isn’t one either. I doubt any other countries envy Canada’s hosting privileges in 2021 or 2022.

Deep pockets needed for world junior hockey bidders

The Canadian cities intending to bid for the world junior hockey championship when it returns to this country will need large arenas and backers with deep pockets to win it.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

Fixed for you

 

[Guttersniped]

You left out a key fact about that list.



Fixed for you

Did you even read the quote from the article I provided? I know it’s probably too much to expect you to bother to read the article but the quote was very short.

“The IIHF will get a slice of Hockey Canada's profits from the tournaments starting in 2015.”

 

[Guttersniped]

It is pretty ludicrous that it has been 40 years since Minnesota has hosted, one of the very few places in the world where a significant amount of people are actually passionate about amateur hockey, outside of Canada.

Has Minnesota ever made a bid to be a host? If they haven’t then it’s not so ludicrous because that’s the only way to get selected. (I have no idea if they have or haven’t.)

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

I really hate it when mom and dad fight...

Mom and dad? Nah. It's the bozo couple when you drive through a bad neighborhood and the windows are open.

No offense to anyone.

Can't we just cheer for our boys? The roster is set and it's micro-managing at this point. Ffs.

GO USA!

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Has Minnesota ever made a bid to be a host? If they haven’t then it’s not so ludicrous because that’s the only way to get selected. (I have no idea if they have or haven’t.)

MN has not made a recent bid, afaik. ND Fargo, yes. The USA home rink in Fargo was full of Canadians, similar to tournaments held in Buffalo.

A WJC hosted in the Twin Cities would again feature a rink full of Canadians from Winnipeg and elsewhere in Canada. MN hockey fervor would not be an attendance factor.

As much as we'd like to think otherwise, the WJC is a zero-interest sporting event in the USA.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Did you even read the quote from the article I provided?

“The IIHF will get a slice of Hockey Canada's profits from the tournaments starting in 2015.”

No I didn’t bother. Your post didn't reveal anything I didn’t already know.

I did a podcast in December outlining where the money goes.

The IIHF, host city (usually Canadian), CHL, Hockey Canada, and TSN profit the most from the WJC. USA Hockey, RIHF, etc. get table scraps. When the games are outside of Canada, the Euro nations or U.S.. profit while the Canadian entities mentioned above lose millions. Then COVID hit and punched a major hole in their coffers.

Speak to anyone at USA Hockey and they’ll tell you that Hockey Canada and the CHL have bled millions in revenue the last five+ years. That is why the Canadian dudes Tardiff and Bob Nicholson (former Hockey Canada president) were placed in charge of the IIHF — for the sole purpose of getting more tournaments in Canada so they can make more money. They don’t give a shit about fairness, or giving a new location a shot. Tardiff is from Quebec but the IIHF lists him as France French because he played pro hockey there (lol). He was in charge of IIHF finance since 2016, so he knew full well how much money Canadian entities were losing since 2020.

Canada was on the verge of going four full years without a profitable WJC — one bubble, one cancellation, then Omsk, then Sweden. Millions in potential revenue would have been lost. That’s why they held fast on playing through a COVID outbreak them turned it info a summer tourney, then cancelled Omsk and gave it to Halifax (a bunch of Canadian cities were bidding, including Ottawa, QC, etc).

The bidding process among Canadian cities and the IIHF is sketchy as f***. It’s totally political, as in the heads of provinces get involved and in some cases make it a priority. Usually in America, the bidding process is run by a convention committee or chamber of commerce, with mostly hands-off approaches from any politician above the local level.

Nashville is trying to get the NHL draft but Canadian cities want it too. They’re using their shills to push this BS narrative that the concern is limited hotels in Nashville, when the goddamn NFL draft was here a few years ago and a massive success.

Just look how defensive Canadian posters get on the subject. It’s a real crisis up there. Hockey is no longer the end-all be-all for their young boys. They’re starting to like basketball and soccer more.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Can you distill the point you're trying to make @Steve Kournianos ?

We all know that the IIHF, Hockey Canada, and TSN stand to financially benefit most from WJC tournaments hosted in Canada and American border cities, and revenues from tournaments held in Europe are inevitably inferior.

So what? The organizing bodies and lead broadcaster will chase the dollars. This is self-evident.

 

[Guttersniped]

No I didn’t bother. Your post didn't reveal anything I didn’t already know.

I did a podcast in December outlining where the money goes.

The IIHF, host city (usually Canadian), CHL, Hockey Canada, and TSN profit the most from the WJC. USA Hockey, RIHF, etc. get table scraps. When the games are outside of Canada, the Euro nations or U.S.. profit while the Canadian entities mentioned above lose millions. Then COVID hit and punched a major hole in their coffers.

Speak to anyone at USA Hockey and they’ll tell you that Hockey Canada and the CHL have bled millions in revenue the last five+ years. That is why the Canadian dudes Tardiff and Bob Nicholson (former Hockey Canada president) were placed in charge of the IIHF — for the sole purpose of getting more tournaments in Canada so they can make more money. They don’t give a shit about fairness, or giving a new location a shot. Tardiff is from Quebec but the IIHF lists him as France French because he played pro hockey there (lol). He was in charge of IIHF finance since 2016, so he knew full well how much money Canadian entities were losing since 2020.

Canada was on the verge of going four full years without a profitable WJC — one bubble, one cancellation, then Omsk, then Sweden. Millions in potential revenue would have been lost. That’s why they held fast on playing through a COVID outbreak them turned it info a summer tourney, then cancelled Omsk and gave it to Halifax (a bunch of Canadian cities were bidding, including Ottawa, QC, etc).

The bidding process among Canadian cities and the IIHF is sketchy as f***. It’s totally political, as in the heads of provinces get involved and in some cases make it a priority. Usually in America, the bidding process is run by a convention committee or chamber of commerce, with mostly hands-off approaches from any politician above the local level.

Nashville is trying to get the NHL draft but Canadian cities want it too. They’re using their shills to push this BS narrative that the concern is limited hotels in Nashville, when the goddamn NFL draft was here a few years ago and a massive success.

Just look how defensive Canadian posters get on the subject. It’s a real crisis up there. Hockey is no longer the end-all be-all for their young boys. They’re starting to like basketball and soccer more.

I don’t even understand what you’re going on about with American vs Canadian bids? For the WJC? How many US cities have even made bids? (Not sure what the NHL draft has to do with this.)

These might be better left as rhetorical questions at this point, I just don’t understand what you’re getting at.

Certainly bids for things like World Cup and the Olympics involve the government officials in the US.

You just seem to have a bug up your ass about Canada. I don’t get it but I have nothing left to say about it.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

There’s a game tonight

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I think I'm done reading your posts in general. You get this mad after you were the one who couldn't stand my opposing view of yours. I did not quote your post or mention you. You were the one that quoted my post to start this.

I'm glad you were able to say after the fact in 2020 what everyone else did. Better than not doing so, but it would be nice if you had that same level of critical thinking beforehand. I doubt you did. You probably will be one of those that complains after the fact and acts like you thought all along what anyone who displayed any critical thinking should've known about the roster. Let the record here show who displayed critical thinking and who acted like a cheerleader.

And I find it funny you try to insult me and my understanding of the sport. Were you not the one that tried to claim last week that Russia doesn't bring draft eligible players to the WJC when they brought like five of them in December? If you are going to make such significant gaffes you shouldn't be accusatory about the knowledge of other people. I'm not even sure you displayed one thing I said that was incorrect. It was only things that you disagree with.

Oh you mean like these posts that you actually liked?

Some real head scratching decisions . . . York should be playing.

I'm sorry but those are awful.

It's like they are trying to spread the talent around. I feel like that rarely works in these short tournaments. Load up a couple of lines and let them go to town.

Or these two posts:

Turcotte and Zegras are our two best centers.

So naturally they are playing as bottom 6 wingers.

Nobody is "making up criticisms" here because US fans are not coming with an agenda against Bruins prospects. It is well known that Beecher is not an elite offensive player, and any critique of him playing above guys like Zegras and Turcotte is absolutely warranted.

All before the tournament started. Receipts are right here:

WJC: - 2020 Team USA Roster Talk

I finished watching the game from today. I didn't like how we played, and I think this team is going to struggle if the coach relies so heavily on these 2000 born players. We struggled a lot at even strength. The only line I liked was the one with Robertson and Wahlstrom. Pinto wasn't bad...

forums.hfboards.com

But yeah, I'm a just cheerleader with no critical thinking skills because I disagree with your allegiance to draft pedigree. This coming from the guy who wanted to send Adam Fox to the AHL (probably because he wasn't a 1st round pick, right?)

That's 2 strikes in a row for you trying to characterize me as something I'm not, want to keep going? Or maybe you just apologize and admit your mistake and we can move on to discussing this year's team.