2022 NHL Entry Draft 8

[WeThreeKings]

He's good and if we pick at 4 or below, then he'll come into the conversation for us.

He factors in at 3 for me. It's very rare to have a chance at a right handed defenseman with the size, skating, meanness and offensive skill that he has.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Based on where they were going into the draft

Shane Wright > Owen Power
Logan Cooley > Matty Beniers
Juraj Slafkovsky > Mason MacTavish
David Jiricek > Luke Hughes
Simon Nemec < Kent Johnson
Frank Nazar > Simon Edvinsson
Matthew Savoie < William Eklund
Pavel Mintyukov > Brandt Clarke
Cutter Gauthier > Dylan Guenther
Anyone >>>>>> Tyler Boucher

This is all very subjective. There can be strong arguments made for all those top 4 picks from 2021 being better than the 2022 players listed. There are a lot of question marks with players currently at the top of this year's class. It will be fun to watch how they perform in playoffs/tournaments.

 

[Goldenhands]

The caveat is right at the top, at this point going into the draft - development has happened for a lot of those players.

Cooley is better - he has more NCAA production than Beniers did in his draft year. He also doesn't have the problem that Beniers had in his draft year of being completely incapable of creating shot assists. Beniers has expanded that part of his game this year but he hadn't at the draft.

Edvinsson dropped to 8 based on his play last year. Going into the year? I agree, he wasn't. But right now, Nazar is trending up and up and Edvinsson at this point was trending down because he wasn't finding any of his offensive game and was being reamed for being too passive defensively.

Ok you are comparing them in their draft year... Its always easier to be higher on kids playing on lower level though. Edvinsson mostly played SHL and Allsvenskian, which is very high competition...

As for Cooley vs Beniers, I think the way Beniers generates offense is more translatable than the way Cooley does, and his 200 ft. game more advanced but thats my personal opinion. Cooley still is a very good young talended player with high motor and smarts, Im just higher on some other kids at the top of the draft.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Ok you are comparing them in their draft year... Its always easier to be higher on kids playing on lower level though. Edvinsson mostly played SHL and Allsvenskian, which is very high competition...

As for Cooley vs Beniers, I think the way Beniers generates offense is more translatable than the way Cooley does, and his 200 ft. game more advanced but thats my personal opinion. Cooley still is a very good young talended player with high motor and smarts, Im just higher on some other kids at the top of the draft.

Yeah I was comparing them in their draft year. The development some of those kids have had have been impressive - particularly MacTavish, Beniers and Edvinsson.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I see in the Sportsnet rankings (Cosentino) that it says Slaf's team's deep playoff run could affect his status for the WU18s. Isn't Slovakia out of the WU18 this year due to relegation and in the lower division? Or did I miss something where they may have been reinstated because of Russia not participating?

 

[WeThreeKings]

I see in the Sportsnet rankings (Cosentino) that it says Slaf's team's deep playoff run could affect his status for the WU18s. Isn't Slovakia out of the WU18 this year due to relegation and in the lower division? Or did I miss something where they may have been reinstated because of Russia not participating?

I think it's a Cosentino mistake. He makes a lot of them.. the truth is that he only sees major tournaments and CHL games, I don't think he gets a lot of looks at the European players.

 

[Deebs]

He factors in at 3 for me. It's very rare to have a chance at a right handed defenseman with the size, skating, meanness and offensive skill that he has.

It definitely is but I guess the question I have is, most the draft insiders don't have him in the 5. The majority of them have Nemec ahead of him as well who's also a RHD.

 

[WeThreeKings]

It definitely is but I guess the question I have is, most the draft insiders don't have him in the 5. The majority of them have Nemec ahead of him as well who's also a RHD.

Well, there was a lot of debate between the two up until Jiricek got hurt.. at which point Nemec had seen Olympic time and gone on a torrid place in the Extraliiga playoffs.

Hard to stay in the conversation when you're hurt and the other guy is doing good things.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I think it's a Cosentino mistake. He makes a lot of them.. the truth is that he only sees major tournaments and CHL games, I don't think he gets a lot of looks at the European players.

I figured it was a mistake but wondered if I missed a headline. It affects the credibility of his rankings when, as a so called expert, he doesn't even know that a country with several top picks isn't participating in one of the biggest events of the draft cycle. Especially when he's referring to his 3rd overall ranked player and an almost consensus top 4 pick on all boards.

 

[Justin11]

Everything I've seen so far of Jiricek upon is return has me really close to putting him back above Slafkovsky.

Glad he came back on time to see that the injury doesn't seem to have affected him.

He's definitely going to move up the rankings.

 

[le_sean]

He factors in at 3 for me. It's very rare to have a chance at a right handed defenseman with the size, skating, meanness and offensive skill that he has.

It’s the aggressiveness and his desire to make things happen that I love. Imagine having him join Guhle and Romanov. It won’t be anything like the defence we were used to under Bergevin - slow skaters that just backup and give up the blueline.

 

[Gustave]

I kinda want to pick a D this draft (Nemec or Jiricek), purely for the fact that they take so long to bloom that it's advantageous for a rebuild to have them in the pipepine while trending upwards, instead of having your forwards come in only to be slowed by the lack of NHL ready D prospects. I know you can't go by need and should always take the BPA, just wanted to explain my thoughts on it.

 

[jaffy27]

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He factors in at 3 for me. It's very rare to have a chance at a right handed defenseman with the size, skating, meanness and offensive skill that he has.

I also have him at 3 behind Wright and Slaf

A RHD of Jiricek (6’3), Barron (6’2) and Mailloux (6’3) is drool worthy.

Everyone can skate and shoot and play physical

Essentially if we pick him and all goes to plan we are set at D for the next 12yrs

 

[SOLR]

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I also have him at 3 behind Wright and Slaf

A RHD of Jiricek (6’3), Barron (6’2) and Mailloux (6’3) is drool worthy.

Everyone can skate and shoot and play physical

Essentially if we pick him and all goes to plan we are set at D for the next 12yrs

I think it's way too risky, all our draft assets at one position make for a long rebuild and a future disastrous cap situation, we need to draft 5 top6 forwards...

Moreover, we might need a guy like Lindgren (PP specialist) more than anything else at D at this point.

Guhle, Romanov, Barron, Mailloux - there is no offense-first D in this group. Plus we have Harris-Struble + others. Our D prospect pool is the strongest in the league by far. Our offensive prospect pool is in the worst possible state.

If we can grab 2 forwards in the first round (or more with trades) and a Lindgren in the 2nd round, we'll be much further ahead than if we draft Nemec or Jiricek IMO. I would rather trade to advance our Calgary pick to acquire Mintyukov than grab Nemec/Jiricek (I love both - we have enough Ds of their type and they are not particularly elite)

 

[RationalExpectations]

I think it's way too risky, all our draft assets at one position make for a long rebuild and a future disastrous cap situation, we need to draft 5 top6 forwards...

Moreover, we might need a guy like Lindgren (PP specialist) more than anything else at D at this point.

Guhle, Romanov, Barron, Mailloux - there is no offense-first D in this group. Plus we have Harris-Struble + others. Our D prospect pool is the strongest in the league by far. Our offensive prospect pool is in the worst possible state.

If we can grab 2 forwards in the first round (or more with trades) and a Lindgren in the 2nd round, we'll be much further ahead than if we draft Nemec or Jiricek IMO. I would rather trade to advance our Calgary pick to acquire Mintyukov than grab Nemec/Jiricek (I love both - we have enough Ds of their type and they are not particularly elite)

MTL has no draft prospect close to Nemec and Jiricek, it s like if COL would have said we don’t need Makar we have Johnson and Girard. No team wins the cup wihout a star center and a star 1D, MTL has neither of those. I d draft Nemec Jiricek way before Cooley Slaf.

 

[SOLR]

MTL has no draft prospect close to Nemec and Jiricek, it s like if COL would have said we don’t need Makar we have Johnson and Girard. No team wins the cup wihout a star center and a star 1D, MTL has neither of those. I d draft Nemec Jiricek way before Cooley Slaf.

No, it's not. You are way over-evaluating Nemec and Jiricek if you expect them to be like Makar. Most teams have them as 2nd pairing Ds with a 2nd d upside. Ie. this is the weakness D crop for many years. This year, the top 5 is all forward in terms of BPA (first line players > 2nd pairing Ds). Some teams have good top6 forwards and might pick Nemec/Jiricek in the top 5 for this reason.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

Based on where they were going into the draft

Shane Wright > Owen Power
Logan Cooley > Matty Beniers
Juraj Slafkovsky > Mason MacTavish
David Jiricek > Luke Hughes
Simon Nemec < Kent Johnson
Frank Nazar > Simon Edvinsson
Matthew Savoie < William Eklund
Pavel Mintyukov > Brandt Clarke
Cutter Gauthier > Dylan Guenther
Anyone >>>>>> Tyler Boucher

Still can't believe Ottawa used a top 10 pick on Boucher.. lol

 

[Addik04]

Everything I've seen so far of Jiricek upon is return has me really close to putting him back above Slafkovsky.

I understand the package that he bring is excellent, big right dman who skates well, really mobile, great shoot, but I dont understand the hype for a top 5 pick. His IQ does not seem great. Physically, he is ready for men, but for his decisions making, I think it is going too fast. Defensively a few mistakes which can be learn, but with the puck, really soso.

He reminds me a bit of Ristolainen.

I have not seen him a lot, only shifts from his games before he injured himself on InStat. But, I have not been impressed yet versus Nemec.

I could be wrong, very wrong, but right now, I dont buy the hype that most of you brought. I see a 2-way dman who could be on a 2nd powerplay if it goes very well, but really good defensively, great stick, physical, great feet.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I see in the Sportsnet rankings (Cosentino) that it says Slaf's team's deep playoff run could affect his status for the WU18s. Isn't Slovakia out of the WU18 this year due to relegation and in the lower division? Or did I miss something where they may have been reinstated because of Russia not participating?

He doesn't know what he's talking about. Lol

I read that too, and rolled my eyes.

Slovakia already won Gold in Division I Group A. They will be at next year's tournament. 16 year old Dalibor Dvorsky put up 12 pts in 5 games.

Nemec played one game. They didn't need Slafkovsky at all.

 

[Frank JT]

With our prospect pool full of top4D and LD, but with no PMD, and in needs for top6 forwards, I would go F with our first (if BPA) and expect a RHD with one Calgary's pick or our 2nd. Casey, Hutson, Odelius, Luneau, etc. Lots of targets there.

 

[jaffy27]

I think it's way too risky, all our draft assets at one position make for a long rebuild and a future disastrous cap situation, we need to draft 5 top6 forwards...

Moreover, we might need a guy like Lindgren (PP specialist) more than anything else at D at this point.

Guhle, Romanov, Barron, Mailloux - there is no offense-first D in this group. Plus we have Harris-Struble + others. Our D prospect pool is the strongest in the league by far. Our offensive prospect pool is in the worst possible state.

If we can grab 2 forwards in the first round (or more with trades) and a Lindgren in the 2nd round, we'll be much further ahead than if we draft Nemec or Jiricek IMO. I would rather trade to advance our Calgary pick to acquire Mintyukov than grab Nemec/Jiricek (I love both - we have enough Ds of their type and they are not particularly elite)

Like I said, I have Wright and Slaf ahead of him....but if we fall to 3, I'm praying for Jiricek

Having said that, I wouldn't be shedding too many tears if we drafted Cooley

This draft is top 5 solid....maybe even top 8 when you add Savoie, Nemec, Kemell and Nazar

Like you, I'm also trying to move up in the draft in the early teens and grabbing Cutter. A reap of Slaf and Gauthier would do wonders to our talent pool at LW, it would like launch us in the top tier of LW talent in the NHL. (if all pans out of course lol)

 

[Hins77]

I think it's way too risky, all our draft assets at one position make for a long rebuild and a future disastrous cap situation, we need to draft 5 top6 forwards...

Moreover, we might need a guy like Lindgren (PP specialist) more than anything else at D at this point.

Guhle, Romanov, Barron, Mailloux - there is no offense-first D in this group. Plus we have Harris-Struble + others. Our D prospect pool is the strongest in the league by far. Our offensive prospect pool is in the worst possible state.

If we can grab 2 forwards in the first round (or more with trades) and a Lindgren in the 2nd round, we'll be much further ahead than if we draft Nemec or Jiricek IMO. I would rather trade to advance our Calgary pick to acquire Mintyukov than grab Nemec/Jiricek (I love both - we have enough Ds of their type and they are not particularly elite)

There is no top 2 dman a la Werenski/hedman/josi/makar. Into our prospect pool. Mailloux, hard to predict. Despite I really appreciate guhle ceiling, he is gonna be our next edmundson with pace of 25 points, wich gonna be a solid 2/3rd dman. Barron is more likely a top 4 dman, at best, kind of Petry career. There is no nemec or jiricek on our prospect pool at d

 

[covfefe]

Whooaaaa Korchinksi. Spicy, but I like it.

Insane, to me. I don’t know what they’re seeing to justify that.

I’ve got tickets to two playoff games next week - will be my first live viewings of Korchinski. Maybe I’ll see the light.

 

[Schooner Guy]

There is no top 2 dman a la Werenski/hedman/josi/makar. Into our prospect pool. Mailloux, hard to predict. Despite I really appreciate guhle ceiling, he is gonna be our next edmundson with pace of 25 points, wich gonna be a solid 2/3rd dman. Barron is more likely a top 4 dman, at best, kind of Petry career. There is no nemec or jiricek on our prospect pool at d

If Barron has a Petry career, we're laughing all the way to the Cup. How many D in the last 5 years had 4 straight 40+ point seasons? One of Petry's seasons was 42 points in 55 games.

 

[Schooner Guy]

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