2022 NHL Entry Draft 8

[Schooner Guy]

He doesn't know what he's talking about. Lol

I read that too, and rolled my eyes.

Slovakia already won Gold in Division I Group A. They will be at next year's tournament. 16 year old Dalibor Dvorsky put up 12 pts in 5 games.

Nemec played one game. They didn't need Slafkovsky at all.

I looked at the list for shits and giggles but that will likely be the last time I look at the Sportsnet rankings before this draft.

Cosentino got stumped on primetime live TV in the 1st round once too when he didn't know who a selected player was. It may have been when CBJ took Chinakhov? That's something that I've never seen happen to Bobby Mac in all the years he was on TSN's live broadcast.

 

[covfefe]

I looked at the list for shits and giggles but that will likely be the last time I look at the Sportsnet rankings before this draft.

Cosentino got stumped on primetime live TV in the 1st round once too when he didn't know who a selected player was. It may have been when CBJ took Chinakhov? That's something that I've never seen happen to Bobby Mac in all the years he was on TSN's live broadcast.

Yes, it was Chinakov.

From Cosentino:

Chinakhov, who went to Columbus with the 21st pick. Once he was selected, I admittedly began to sweat. This was one player I didn’t know a lot about. All told, I had extensive information on 52 players for 31 first-round spots, Chinakov was not one of them.

Believe it or not, he was deep in my notes, thanks to Lawrence Goldstein and his staff with the NHL Network. Because I was so rattled, I had a hard time accessing that info on my ipad, in such a short time. So, I took the honest route and said on our broadcast that basically I had no info on the player.

 

[RationalExpectations]

No, it's not. You are way over-evaluating Nemec and Jiricek if you expect them to be like Makar. Most teams have them as 2nd pairing Ds with a 2nd d upside. Ie. this is the weakness D crop for many years. This year, the top 5 is all forward in terms of BPA (first line players > 2nd pairing Ds). Some teams have good top6 forwards and might pick Nemec/Jiricek in the top 5 for this reason.

I am not saying he is Makar, there is only one Makar. MTL does not have a top 2 potential D, two are available in this draft. Cooley, Slaf, Savoie are not half as interesting as the two Dmen, you are overvaluating them I believe.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

I am not saying he is Makar, there is only one Makar. MTL does not have a top 2 potential D, two are available in this draft. Cooley, Slaf, Savoie are not half as interesting as the two Dmen, you are overvaluating them I believe.

Was Makar even Makar at his draft? Remember question marks about the quality of competition he faced in the AJHL and could be wrong but don’t recall him playing at U18s/U20s pre-draft so he kind of exploded post draft

 

[RationalExpectations]

Was Makar even Makar at his draft? Remember question marks about the quality of competition he faced in the AJHL and could be wrong but don’t recall him playing at U18s/U20s pre-draft so he kind of exploded post draft

Fully agreed I made the same comment a few posts ago. I meant no I don't believe Nemec will be scoring more than a PPG in his D+5. But still believe Jiricek / Nemec have top 2 potential, which no other Habs prospect has.

 

[Hins77]

If Barron has a Petry career, we're laughing all the way to the Cup. How many D in the last 5 years had 4 straight 40+ point seasons? One of Petry's seasons was 42 points in 55 games.

Yeah I wanted to express that We would be lucky lucky if Barron become a next Jeff Petry. I really like his ceiling, but my point of view was more. I don’t think we should’nt draft guy like Nemec or Jiricek cause we already have barron, guhle on the pipeline

 

[covfefe]

Was Makar even Makar at his draft? Remember question marks about the quality of competition he faced in the AJHL and could be wrong but don’t recall him playing at U18s/U20s pre-draft so he kind of exploded post draft

Well I thought he was, but everyone told me I that I was an idiot.

Makar became a known quantity at the WJAC. Bob McKenzie said something like: “I think Cale Makar is at the wrong tournament.” As they were adjacent to the WJC’s that year.

Go back in time in the Makar prospect threads. Some reeeeeal milky takes in there.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Yeah I wanted to express that We would be lucky lucky if Barron become a next Jeff Petry. I really like his ceiling, but my point of view was more. I don’t think we should’nt draft guy like Nemec or Jiricek cause we already have barron, guhle on the pipeline

Depends where you fall, you don’t want to pass up a Wright/Cooley either. Right now our centre depth after Suzuki takes a pretty big drop off. You could make an argument that while our D-corps has no superstar, where it does shine through is that we have a lot of guys that could be Top-4 guys.

My top 4 for the draft is Wright-Cooley-Jiricek-Nemec in that order. Slafkovsky is 5th, Nazar is 6th and Savoie in 7th.

 

[Sam I Am]

Every draft year brings surprises, sometimes in the top five picks. That said, I would be surprised if the two top picks this year are not used to draft centermen Wright and Cooley. While neither screams generational player, they both seem very likely to pan out as excellent two way pivots, a commodity that is not easy to find.

The other forward prospects mentioned in the same breath either have a higher risk attached to them (Slafkovsky, Kemell) or a have a ceiling that is not as high. And some of the defensemen that will be available late in the first round, and even in the second round, may very well prove to be superior to Nemec and Jiricek. It is much easier to go mining for defence with later picks than to try to unearth a top talent on offense.

My point? The Habs would be well advised to extend their losing streak tonight against the Flyers. They need top end forwards badly, and Cooley would fit the bill. But to get him, they need to pick no lower than second. Going into the lottery with the worst record in the league would help, but it is no guarantee: there is still a 56% chance of drafting 3rd.

The combined chances of the Habs ending up with either a 1st or 2nd break down this way:

32nd place --> 44%
31st place --> 25%
30th place --> 22%
29th place --> 20%
28th place --> 17%
27th place --> 15.5%

Another advantage of the Habs coming in last is that they can fall no lower than 3rd pick in the lottery. That will leave them in driver's seat to pick the best remaining offensive talent in the draft. At this point, all indications are that it is Slafkovsky who presents a rare combination of size and scoring, even if he comes with a higher degree of risk than Wright or Cooley.

So let's hope that the Habs' scoring woes continue against Philly tonight. It's not going to be easy but it sure would be a good game to lose.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Seems likely that 3 of the top 4 picks will be Wright, Cooley, and Slaf. The 4th one could be any of Nemec, Jiricek, Savoie, Kemell, and Nazar.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Seems likely that 3 of the top 4 picks will be Wright, Cooley, and Slaf. The 4th one could be any of Nemec, Jiricek, Savoie, Kemell, and Nazar.

I'd say that you have to be careful with that, we are all mostly aligned with that top 3 but those defense can certainly jump those forwards. Don't be surprised if Nemec and or Jiricek go ahead of Cooley, Slaf etc.

 

[Sam I Am]

...those defense can certainly jump those forwards. Don't be surprised if Nemec and or Jiricek go ahead of Cooley, Slaf etc.

That would be great. If the Habs draft 3rd or 4th, it sure would be nice to see Cooley still on the board.

 

[G0bias]

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Would be nuts to trade down to like 8 and 12 and come out with a combination of Jiricek + Nazar/Lambert/Gauthier

 

[WeThreeKings]

Would be nuts to trade down to like 8 and 12 and come out with a combination of Jiricek + Nazar/Lambert/Gauthier

It would be nuts cause chances are Jiricek and Nazar are both gone by 8 and Lambert would be a terrible prize for this year.

 

[Sam I Am]

I am not saying he is Makar, there is only one Makar. MTL does not have a top 2 potential D, two are available in this draft. Cooley, Slaf, Savoie are not half as interesting as the two Dmen, you are overvaluating them I believe.

The defensemen that will be available later in the first round, and even in the second round, may very well prove to be superior to Nemec and Jiricek. It is much easier to go mining for defence with later picks than to try to unearth a top talent on offense once you pass the top ten or so.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Well I thought he was, but everyone told me I that I was an idiot.

Makar became a known quantity at the WJAC. Bob McKenzie said something like: “I think Cale Makar is at the wrong tournament.” As they were adjacent to the WJC’s that year.

Go back in time in the Makar prospect threads. Some reeeeeal milky takes in there.

Anyone you’d compare to Makar in his draft year from this years crop? Or maybe a Josi?

 

[Jesker]

Question for guys who saw Hutson play... He has an insane production for a D, almost like Hugues I believe ? I get the small stature will make available in the 2nd but... To what extent we put a major emphasis on size ? Hugues, Girard and etc can play. How does Hutson compare to those guys ?

 

[DiglettDangles]

The defensemen that will be available later in the first round, and even in the second round, may very well prove to be superior to Nemec and Jiricek. It is much easier to go mining for defence with later picks than to try to unearth a top talent on offense once you pass the top ten or so.

I don't entirely agree on your angle. but it's defendable if you consider Cooley/Savoie/Slafkovsky/Nazar as potential 1st liners, players that dictate the game.
Otherwise you definitely take the first pairing D ceiling prospect over a 2nd liner.
Personally I'm not ready to say those forward prospects (meeting let's say 80% of their ceiling hopefully) are shoe-ins for the 1st line, Slaf being the most likely imo.

Your statement is sometimes true but shouldn't be considered gospel truth. Look at the Sergachev draft (2016) - the only first pairing D after pick 16 (Chychrun) is Adam Fox with a whole bunch of misses in between. 2017 is even worse with *maybe* David Farrance past Heiskanen/Makar. 2018 doesn't look brighter. Even the incredible 2015 draft doesn't have a top 2 defender past Chabot at 18. For top defenders you also have to pick early now - the Shea Weber and PK Subban picks are an outdated reference.

By our 2nd round pick the only Ds with legitimate 1st pair potential still available might be limited to Hutson (smol boi), Bichsel (mostly defensive but yuge), and Lindgren (big if). Nemec/Jiricek/Mintyukov/Mateychuk/Korchinski/Pickering I suspect will be gone and I wouldn't trade up for the last 2. Definitely more than 6 Ds drafted in the first 32. Absolutely no point for the Habs in drafting a defender with a 2nd pair ceiling, at this point. Go big or go home. If that's what you see in Nemec and Jiricek, I understand your position.

In my opinion this draft will have sufficient offensive quality at around pick 32 that I would prefer:
Nemec/Jiricek + Goyette/Ostlund/Kulich/Firkus/Gleb and other falling Russians
vs
Cooley/Nazar + Hutson/Bichsel/Lindgren

Slaf is the wildcard, I don't know yet.

Anyways, BPA.
And let's suck again next year.

 

[covfefe]

Anyone you’d compare to Makar in his draft year from this years crop? Or maybe a Josi?

Honestly, no, I don’t see that guy in this year’s draft.

I’m a big fan of Denton Mateychuk, but I wouldn’t say that he’ll reach those heights with any certainty.

 

[MrNasty]

This has likely been discussed but I would be willing to use our late 1st or early 2nd on Miroshichenko if he is still available. I know there is risk with his cancer diagnosis but odds are strongly in his favour that he will get through it. It is one of the most curable forms of cancer and he would be BPA for sure.
The ultimate high risk high reward pick.

 

[Goldenhands]

This has likely been discussed but I would be willing to use our late 1st or early 2nd on Miroshichenko if he is still available. I know there is risk with his cancer diagnosis but odds are strongly in his favour that he will get through it. It is one of the most curable forms of cancer and he would be BPA for sure.
The ultimate high risk high reward pick.

I would go Viktor Neuchev instead.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Question for guys who saw Hutson play... He has an insane production for a D, almost like Hugues I believe ? I get the small stature will make available in the 2nd but... To what extent we put a major emphasis on size ? Hugues, Girard and etc can play. How does Hutson compare to those guys ?

Jury is still out if a small D can be effective in the playoffs, Girard has struggled in the postseason in the games I’ve watched. If the day ever comes where they call the playoffs like the regular season maybe size doesn’t matter as much but you saw contenders beefing up on the back end. I just can’t picture someone same size as CC (and likely even slighter frame) being able to defend in playoff hockey. We have enough picks to take a home run swing if he drops to the 3-4 rounds maybe.

 

[The Great Weal]

I feel like if any other team drafts Slafkovsky, he will become great. However, if we get him, he will disappoint. It's the Montreal way.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

I feel like if any other team drafts Slafkovsky, he will become great. However, if we get him, he will disappoint. It's the Montreal way.

I'm waaaay more confident in this current management's development philosophy. I think the key with Slaf is to give him at least another year, preferably in AHL. Give him a chance to dominate while affording him the time to work on his game.

I've always believed that talented players don't learn to use their talent by grinding it out on a 3rd line against better competition (see KK). For a player to be dominant with the puck on his stick in the offensive zone, he needs to learn in the same circumstances.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

I'm hoping HuGo have a couple targets in the late 10s / early 20s who they are willing to trade up for barring a slight fall. I have a significant difference in quality after my top 20. I'd be looking for Ohgren/Trikozov/Lambert/Mesar/Kasper and possibly Yurov depending on how reluctant teams are to pick Russians.

Personal (and more or less realistic) dream would be if we can come out with:
Nazar at 4
Yurov at 22 (for let's say 27 + 49?)
Chesley at 34