NHL Entry Draft 2022 NHL Draft Thread - Part 2

[bert]

How can this team find a way to draft Slafkovsky? Id trade every pick they have in the draft to move up to get him if they had to.

 

[Qward]

How can this team find a way to draft Slafkovsky? Id trade every pick they have in the draft to move up to get him if they had to.

pray to the lotto gods

 

[bert]

pray to the lotto gods

Maybe they move up to 3 or something then add a ton to make sure they get him at 1 or 2. Id take him at 1 without hesitation personally. I think in two years he is an impact player in the league. Once year in the AHL maybe then the NHL.

 

[GCK]

Maybe they move up to 3 or something then add a ton to make sure they get him at 1 or 2. Id take him at 1 without hesitation personally. I think in two years he is an impact player in the league. Once year in the AHL maybe then the NHL.

I’d take him at 1.

 

[OgieO]

So most likely we're pick 8 or 9 ish? Whomever said Gauthier on last page is right I bet. Gautier is a sniper. We need another guy with a big shot and finishing ability. Not my top choice but I bet we'll like him.

 

[BondraTime]

So most likely we're pick 8 or 9 ish? Whomever said Gauthier on last page is right I bet. Gautier is a sniper. We need another guy with a big shot and finishing ability. Not my top choice but I bet we'll like him.

A shooting forward is probably the last thing I’d be looking for right now. They have loaded up on shooters, they need guys who can carry the puck and create from the neutral zone and in.

The only guy on the roster I’d want skating the puck up the ice and into the zone and setting up a play is Stutzle, everyone else on the roster are guys I’d want chasing a dump in and setting up below the hasmarks and for a shot. Boucher is another guy just drafted that is a big shooting forward.

Sens need an East/West playmaker. They are stock full of big shooting forwards. They are built and drafted as a North/South ground and pound team. They need to add some dynamic play making to be successful imo, they have 7/8 guys that fill a role of big shooting forwards already.

If Gauthier is our guy, perfect. He’s slated around where we pick. He’s a Sens type pick without a doubt. I don’t think he’s the type of player the team needs to be successful, he’d be another of 4/5 similar guys already on the team or in the system in big shoot first players.

 

[bert]

A shooting forward is probably the last thing I’d be looking for right now. They have loaded up on shooters, they need guys who can carry the puck and create from the neutral zone and in.

The only guy on the roster I’d want skating the puck up the ice and into the zone and setting up a play is Stutzle, everyone else on the roster are guys I’d want chasing a dump in and setting up below the hasmarks and for a shot. Boucher is another guy just drafted that is a big shooting forward.

Sens need an East/West playmaker. They are stock full of big shooting forwards. They are built and drafted as a North/South ground and pound team. They need to add some dynamic play making to be successful imo.

If Gauthier is our guy, perfect. I don’t think he’s the type of player the team needs to be successful, he’d be another of 4/5 similar guys already on the team or in the system in big shoot first players.

Batherson is very dynamic with the puck, but yes other than those two they need another creator from an offensive perspective. I really hope that they end up with a better player than Gauthier personally. Someone with more overall offensive upside.

 

[SpezDispenser]

How can this team find a way to draft Slafkovsky? Id trade every pick they have in the draft to move up to get him if they had to.

I wish.

 

[GCK]

We are due some lottery luck. We are among the 4 unluckiest lottery teams along with Detroit, Vancouver and Colorado.

 

[NHL Dude 120]

Assume the worst and don't be dissapointed.

 

[Beech]

You’re failing to grasp that each final has had top 10 picks from 2000-2009. All of Crosby, Malkin, OV, Backstrom, Pietrangelo, MAF, Kane, Toews, etc have won cups 10+ years since being drafted in the top 10. The only top 10 guys that won within a few years of their drafts were Chicago, LA and Pittsburgh’s guys, which account for 7 Cup winners from 2010-2020, including 17 Cup rings for top 10 picks over that span from 2010-17. The rest of the top 10 picks took 10+ years to win their cup, but all of Stamkos, OV, Pietrangelo, Connelly, Boumeester, Hedman, Backstrom also won Cups from 2018-20.

Of course teams may not be rewarded, that’s how a sports league works. Top 10 picks offer teams building blocks that can help lead to success. That doesn’t mean they will automatically lead to success.

The exact same thing will be true 5 years from now, there will be a ton of guys who were drafted top 10 from 2010-2019 who will have been to the final and won a cup.

Anyone expecting to draft top 10 and win a cup right away is just asking for disappointment. Teams that draft in the top 10 are getting guys to build their team around. It’s by far, by a gigantic amount, the best predictor for future success. The teams that win the cups are almost always being led by a top 10 pick.

In the next 5 years would it be strange to see Toronto, Colorado, Florida win a cup? Each team has 4-5+ top 10 picks from 2010-20. Take any of the top teams in the league and 90% have top 10 picks from that time leading the way.

The top 10 teams in the league in the standings have 30 guys on their teams that were drafted in the top 10 from 2010-2019, and then another 15 or so drafted top 10 from 2000-09

2010 drafts and CUP finalists:
Tampa..2 cup wins..Stamkos pre 2010. Hedman pre 2010..Vas first round, outside of the top 10. Kuch, second round (I think). Serg (from Mtl) in 2016
Wash..OVI..pre 2010..
STL..Swartz and Tera 2010 (PeterA pre 2010)
Pittsburg ...all stars pre 2010 (Pouilot in 2012..did not play)

the last 6 winners...Tampa: 1 guy. STL had 2, they were at the 2010 margin. I did not go through their rosters carefully enough to see if some top 10 drafted by another team was on their roster at the time!!

Cup finalists:
MTL..Drouin (not exactly a star)
Dallas (2 guys)
Boston (No one)
Vegas (expansion team!!!)
Nash (no one)
San J (1 guy..did not play)

Bondra, it is not littered with 10-19 picks. It is only mildly littered with pre 2010. Granted, stacked with HOFs

the 09 draft outwards is not productive. At least top 10..Take a look at the winners..3 guys taken 2010 outwards (4 if you count Hedman ). 2 were in 2010!!! The losers 4 guys (5 if you count Kane).

I am telling you, that tap has run dry. Yes, they will start wining. But the draftees from 08 and backwards in time are old and retiring. They will win more thanks to attrition than merit. Crosby and Toews and Doughty and Stamkos (Cup run in 16) won because of merit.

All MacKinnon and co. have to do is wait. Crosby et all are not getting younger. If McDavid gets his cup(s), it will be because no one is left. If you want to argue Lemieux? second round by season 5 (he was 23). Ovi? second round by season 4 (he was 23). Both had heart breaks the next 4-5 years. Take a look at most top 10's 09-21. Very little combined success. McDavid is 25 and has negligible success. Ditto for Mathews. MacKinnon is slightly better.

top 3's 09-18 are a joke. Nothing !!!!
top 3's 99-08 a bucket full of cups and appearances. And nearly all within the first 5-6 years of their entry.

 

[DJB]

In a vacuum I think Yurov is ideal. I’m not sure how the Russian angle will play out this draft.

Ill go with a less than zero % chance we draft a Russian this year. So scratch them off the draft board.

We have to hope teams ahead of us take them so players we like move down to our pick.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

A shooting forward is probably the last thing I’d be looking for right now. They have loaded up on shooters, they need guys who can carry the puck and create from the neutral zone and in.

The only guy on the roster I’d want skating the puck up the ice and into the zone and setting up a play is Stutzle, everyone else on the roster are guys I’d want chasing a dump in and setting up below the hasmarks and for a shot. Boucher is another guy just drafted that is a big shooting forward.

Sens need an East/West playmaker. They are stock full of big shooting forwards. They are built and drafted as a North/South ground and pound team. They need to add some dynamic play making to be successful imo, they have 7/8 guys that fill a role of big shooting forwards already.

If Gauthier is our guy, perfect. He’s slated around where we pick. He’s a Sens type pick without a doubt. I don’t think he’s the type of player the team needs to be successful, he’d be another of 4/5 similar guys already on the team or in the system in big shoot first players.

I would not have him in the top 10 now but .. he is likely closer if the 2 Russians drop down past the mid 1st. After last year 10OA .. its hard for me to guess where they go this year.. Lambert as far as a need pick up front might be close.. RW that can drive play with speed and skill. Not convinced he's the Sens kinda guy but I am sure they do their homework on him. Nazar a bit smaller has a similar speed skill right shot mix. Again not sure the Sens wouldn't be concerned about his size. Kemell could be in our range as well. One of those 3 would probably be decent picks that more or less fit in the puzzle.

 

[Hale The Villain]

If Yurov and Miroschnichenko fall because of what's going on, I don't know if we'd even be in a position to draft Gauthier or Lekkerimaki, the two guys who I think are the most likely draft picks for us in the 7-10 range as of right now, assuming that Wright, Slafkovsky, Cooley, Nemec and Jiricek are off the board before we pick.

Kemell, Lambert, Savoie and Geekie look to be falling, and the Sens typically don't draft guys trending that way. Maybe they could make an exception for Kemell due to his physicality or Geekie due to his size. Who knows.

Nazar looks like he could be a perfect fit as a playmaking C/RW, but he's small and isn't a speedster which makes him an unlikely target given what kind of traits the Sens staff has prioritized under Mann's leadership.

Ohgren, Korchinski and Minyukov are very interesting and look like guys who could rise as the year goes on. Will be keeping a close eye on them.

It's early but if there's a year to trade our top pick for a young top 6er, it may be this one.

 

[BondraTime]

2010 drafts and CUP finalists:
Tampa..2 cup wins..Stamkos pre 2010. Hedman pre 2010..Vas first round, outside of the top 10. Kuch, second round (I think). Serg (from Mtl) in 2016
Wash..OVI..pre 2010..
STL..Swartz and Tera 2010 (PeterA pre 2010)
Pittsburg ...all stars pre 2010 (Pouilot in 2012..did not play)

the last 6 winners...Tampa: 1 guy. STL had 2, they were at the 2010 margin. I did not go through their rosters carefully enough to see if some top 10 drafted by another team was on their roster at the time!!

Cup finalists:
MTL..Drouin (not exactly a star)
Dallas (2 guys)
Boston (No one)
Vegas (expansion team!!!)
Nash (no one)
San J (1 guy..did not play)

Bondra, it is not littered with 10-19 picks. It is only mildly littered with pre 2010. Granted, stacked with HOFs

the 09 draft outwards is not productive. At least top 10..Take a look at the winners..3 guys taken 2010 outwards (4 if you count Hedman ). 2 were in 2010!!! The losers 4 guys (5 if you count Kane).

I am telling you, that tap has run dry. Yes, they will start wining. But the draftees from 08 and backwards in time are old and retiring. They will win more thanks to attrition than merit. Crosby and Toews and Doughty and Stamkos (Cup run in 16) won because of merit.

All MacKinnon and co. have to do is wait. Crosby et all are not getting younger. If McDavid gets his cup(s), it will be because no one is left. If you want to argue Lemieux? second round by season 5 (he was 23). Ovi? second round by season 4 (he was 23). Both had heart breaks the next 4-5 years. Take a look at most top 10's 09-21. Very little combined success. McDavid is 25 and has negligible success. Ditto for Mathews. MacKinnon is slightly better.

top 3's 09-18 are a joke. Nothing !!!!
top 3's 99-08 a bucket full of cups and appearances. And nearly all within the first 5-6 years of their entry.

You do you my man.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

We are due some lottery luck. We are among the 4 unluckiest lottery teams along with Detroit, Vancouver and Colorado.

Bruh imagine the meltdown this boards would have had if we didn't have the Sharks pick in 2020.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

If Yurov and Miroschnichenko fall because of what's going on, I don't know if we'd even be in a position to draft Gauthier or Lekkerimaki, the two guys who I think are the most likely draft picks for us in the 7-10 range as of right now, assuming that Wright, Slafkovsky, Cooley, Nemec and Jiricek are off the board before we pick.

Kemell, Lambert, Savoie and Geekie look to be falling, and the Sens typically don't draft guys trending that way. Maybe they could make an exception for Kemell due to his physicality or Geekie due to his size. Who knows.

Nazar looks like he could be a perfect fit as a playmaking C/RW, but he's small and isn't a speedster which makes him an unlikely target given what kind of traits the Sens staff has prioritized under Mann's leadership.

Ohgren, Korchinski and Minyukov are very interesting and look like guys who could rise as the year goes on. Will be keeping a close eye on them.

It's early but if there's a year to trade our top pick for a young top 6er, it may be this one.

or a top 4 D

 

[SlapJack]

You do you my man.

Ditto, couldn't have said it better

 

[OgieO]

A shooting forward is probably the last thing I’d be looking for right now. They have loaded up on shooters, they need guys who can carry the puck and create from the neutral zone and in.

The only guy on the roster I’d want skating the puck up the ice and into the zone and setting up a play is Stutzle, everyone else on the roster are guys I’d want chasing a dump in and setting up below the hasmarks and for a shot. Boucher is another guy just drafted that is a big shooting forward.

Sens need an East/West playmaker. They are stock full of big shooting forwards. They are built and drafted as a North/South ground and pound team. They need to add some dynamic play making to be successful imo, they have 7/8 guys that fill a role of big shooting forwards already.

If Gauthier is our guy, perfect. He’s slated around where we pick. He’s a Sens type pick without a doubt. I don’t think he’s the type of player the team needs to be successful, he’d be another of 4/5 similar guys already on the team or in the system in big shoot first players.

Meh, you're wrong on this one. First, Batherson is a fabulous puck carrier. Greig pretty good at it too. Brown pretty good. Second, of all our guys only Norris is really a sniper. Sokolov is coming but far from a sure thing. Same as Jarventie. I don't classify Boucher as a goal scorer, he simply doesn't score enough. He fits that profile of banging power forward which we do seem to have a few of. We need a pure goal scorer on this team. I am not even sure Gautier is that, but he does have a nice release and heavy shot and able to get it off.

We also need a playmaker and having another guy that can carry the puck is fine as well. Lots of needs. Not saying we don't have other needs. But to say we don't need another shooter is crazytown imo.

 

[Cosmix]

It seems Yurov is a versatile player who can play all three forward positions, he has decent size, is very responsible defensively & looks to have a very good offensive skillset. He just seems like a very well rounded mature player & further along the development curve for such a young player.

Given the circumstances in the world today & EM being Ukranian whether that plays into it or not, but one can't help but wonder how that will affect Russian players in this draft if this is still going on at that time, it might not be. Some teams ranked later on in the draft might actually benefit if these events hurt these players & where they are drafted. Kemel dropping like a stone, he was 3rd not that long ago. Jiricek seems to be holding firm between 7th to 10th on a few sites.

Should take BPA based on a consensus of reliable drafting services. No to prejudice against Russian players.

 

[Cosmix]

A shooting forward is probably the last thing I’d be looking for right now. They have loaded up on shooters, they need guys who can carry the puck and create from the neutral zone and in.

The only guy on the roster I’d want skating the puck up the ice and into the zone and setting up a play is Stutzle, everyone else on the roster are guys I’d want chasing a dump in and setting up below the hasmarks and for a shot. Boucher is another guy just drafted that is a big shooting forward.

Sens need an East/West playmaker. They are stock full of big shooting forwards. They are built and drafted as a North/South ground and pound team. They need to add some dynamic play making to be successful imo, they have 7/8 guys that fill a role of big shooting forwards already.

If Gauthier is our guy, perfect. He’s slated around where we pick. He’s a Sens type pick without a doubt. I don’t think he’s the type of player the team needs to be successful, he’d be another of 4/5 similar guys already on the team or in the system in big shoot first players.

I agree that we "need guys who can carry the puck and create from the neutral zone and in". If that guy was a shooter too, then great!

 

[Tuna99]

Meh, you're wrong on this one. First, Batherson is a fabulous puck carrier. Greig pretty good at it too. Brown pretty good. Second, of all our guys only Norris is really a sniper. Sokolov is coming but far from a sure thing. Same as Jarventie. I don't classify Boucher as a goal scorer, he simply doesn't score enough. He fits that profile of banging power forward which we do seem to have a few of. We need a pure goal scorer on this team. I am not even sure Gautier is that, but he does have a nice release and heavy shot and able to get it off.

We also need a playmaker and having another guy that can carry the puck is fine as well. Lots of needs. Not saying we don't have other needs. But to say we don't need another shooter is crazytown imo.

for sure need a Right Shot finisher with Norris on the PP and Tkachuk parked in front

 

[MatchesMalone]

Should take BPA based on a consensus of reliable drafting services.

... Then what's the point of paying all that money to the scouts?

 

[MatchesMalone]

I would not have him in the top 10 now but .. he is likely closer if the 2 Russians drop down past the mid 1st. After last year 10OA .. its hard for me to guess where they go this year.. Lambert as far as a need pick up front might be close.. RW that can drive play with speed and skill. Not convinced he's the Sens kinda guy but I am sure they do their homework on him. Nazar a bit smaller has a similar speed skill right shot mix. Again not sure the Sens wouldn't be concerned about his size. Kemell could be in our range as well. One of those 3 would probably be decent picks that more or less fit in the puzzle.

Can't see them taking Lambert with the character questions. Kemell seems to fit the Sens' archetype a little better. And fits a lot of the attributes we're talking about here - can make plays through the neutral zone and can score goals. Nazar and Lekkerimaki fit perfectly except for the size. Geekie seems like the most likely option to me at this point, considering who is likely to be already off the board. Could absolutely see them reach for Ohgren.

If Yurov and Miroschnichenko fall because of what's going on, I don't know if we'd even be in a position to draft Gauthier or Lekkerimaki, the two guys who I think are the most likely draft picks for us in the 7-10 range as of right now, assuming that Wright, Slafkovsky, Cooley, Nemec and Jiricek are off the board before we pick.

Kemell, Lambert, Savoie and Geekie look to be falling, and the Sens typically don't draft guys trending that way. Maybe they could make an exception for Kemell due to his physicality or Geekie due to his size. Who knows.

Nazar looks like he could be a perfect fit as a playmaking C/RW, but he's small and isn't a speedster which makes him an unlikely target given what kind of traits the Sens staff has prioritized under Mann's leadership.

Ohgren, Korchinski and Minyukov are very interesting and look like guys who could rise as the year goes on. Will be keeping a close eye on them.

It's early but if there's a year to trade our top pick for a young top 6er, it may be this one.

Nazar looks pretty fast to me. How do you figure Geekie for falling? Completely agree we should be open to moving the pick if the right player is available.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

Why would the Sens not draft Russians? I feel like that's kind of weird if Melnyk is going to blame some random kid for the sins of his country. Slippery slope.