2022-23 Tank Thread

[Guffman]

I'd be worried if it was switch time and you were missing. Besides, I have seen you areound with your hot takes about Provorov situations.

It seems like the Jets could use The Switch these days but I prefer to have them work it out and reserve this power for a more important time.

 

[Heldig]

One of the top contenders in the East will fail and look to shake things up. May be our best hope for trading Dubois not to Montreal.

I imagine Edmonton will be all in for Helle if they dont do well in the playoffs. Buffalo and maybe Ottawa too.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

When does your self-imposed ban end? I, for one, am looking forward to your return.

The day the Jets season comes to an end. Here's a teaser...

 

[Cypruss]

So if we do sell how do you see it playing out? We actually have a ridiculous # of guys who are UFA next year, so much so that I think we'd have to sell about half during the draft/offseason to get full value for the rest of the lot at the deadline.

This is assuming no one wants to re-sign.

Out by TDL:
Scheifele -> 1st, prospect, plus
PLD -> 1st, prospect, plus
Nino -> 2nd
Helle -> 2 firsts plus?
Wheeler -> mid rounder at deadline
Dillon -> conditional 2nd?
Demelo -> conditional 2nd?

That's a pretty insane return of picks to start building around, not to mention a couple years of top 10 picks of our own + our current pool.

The biggest thing would be the hope that divicentis is legit or picking up the future starter this draft - goalies take a long time to be ready.


Rough projection this time next year based on above returns:
4x 2024 Firsts (ours being top 10)
2x 2025 Firsts (ours being top 10)
3x 2024 2nds
extra mid rounders

With Lucius, Lambert, McGroarty, and our 2023 picks in the stable.





Lineup with those guys gone looks like a lottery team which would make a for a rough 4 or 5 of years as all of those picks develop. Ehlers + Pionk + Schmidt are UFA the year afterwards, and I see them likely being sold as well at the 2025 deadline.

Barron - Lowry - Ehlers
Connor - Perfetti - Appleton
Harkins - Stenlund - Kuhlman
AJF - Gus - Reichel

Morrissey - Schmidt
Samberg - Pionk
Capo - Heinola

with ??? in net

Would assume they would sign a few “gud pros” in off season to one year deals to flip at deadline for some more darts….

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Would assume they would sign a few “gud pros” in off season to one year deals to flip at deadline for some more darts….

Yeah I'm thinking so too, we'll have a lot of cap space to give to mid guys on 1 year deals

 

[Heldig]

This team is better off missing the playoffs.

 

[drumzan]

C’mon guys… need to avoid the loser point in future.

Tank on!

 

[WolfHouse]

This core can't even execute a tank correctly... we will end up just outside the lottery

 

[Thechozen1]

We need to get into bottom 12 to have a shot at 1…. We would need to lose almost every game…. So cheer to get in and have a couple more nights of hockey at this point

Too late in the game to have hopes at getting in position for #1, but finish 14/15/16 and potentially moving up to 4/5/6 is still a HUGE WIN in my books. Sure would be sweeter than getting embarrassed in round 1 and picking 17/18/19.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Too late in the game to have hopes at getting in position for #1, but finish 14/15/16 and potentially moving up to 4/5/6 is still a HUGE WIN in my books. Sure would be sweeter than getting embarrassed in round 1 and picking 17/18/19.

Sure 4/5/6 would be great, but there are going to be some very good players available at 14/15/16 this year, even if no one ahead of those spots pulls a Boston and picks some 2nd rd talent, even if no one falls for some poor reason.

 

[Truenorthducky]

After last night I’m all in for the tank this team is going nowhere and it’s so obvious. How we don’t find a way to win last night is just beyond me. that was just about the most important game and we needed it we wanted it and we didn’t get it. All making the playoffs is going to do is stop Chevy from selling everything. Not making the playoffs at least we’ll get us a re tool. There’s something wrong with the score and it’s becoming so apparent. Sell helly off while his stock is high.

 

[SM]

Not that I take solace in the team underperforming, but with the Trade Thread dormant post-TDL I figured this would be the next best thread.

If this is truly the beginning of the end for the core, where do the big dogs fit in best and what kind of return could we realistically expect to see? Won’t bother listing picks, instead will focus on young players and prospects. Will include (-) for players that I wouldn’t personally want, and (+) for those I’d specifically target.

Hellebuyck: top-5 goalie, year-in-year-out

EDM - finally gives 97 and 29 a goalie on the same plane of existence.

Ammo:
Stuart Skinner
Evan Bouchard
Dylan Holloway (+)
Xavier Bourgault
Philip Broberg (-)

NJD - poised for next decade with young forwards and defensemen

Ammo:
Dawson Mercer (+)
Simon Nemec
Alexander Holtz (-)
Seamus Casey

LAK - a retool-in-progress team that is used to elite goaltending

Ammo:
Brandt Clarke
Quinton Byfield
Alex Turcotte
Helge Grans
Jordan Spence

Scheifele: 1B right-shot centre/shooting winger

CAR - in need of support behind S. Aho, looking to make next step

Ammo:
Seth Jarvis
Scott Morrow (+)
Alex Nikishin
Pyotr Kochetkov
Jack Drury

COL - support behind MacKinnon/Kadri replacement at 2C

Ammo:
Alex Newhook
Bowen Byram (+)
Samuel Girard (-)

Pierre-Luc Dubois: 1B workhorse power forward

MTL - the obvious choice. Enough said.

Ammo:
Kirby Dach
Lane Hutson
Sean Farrell (-)
Owen Beck
Filip Mesar

SEA - shiny new big market, high-quality, young core

Ammo:

David Goyette
Jagger Firkus
Ty Nelson
Jani Nyman

BOS - big market, changing of guard at C, known for gritty play

Ammo:
Brandon Carlo
Fabian Lysell
Mason Lohrei
Matthew Poitras


Thoughts?

 

[blues10]

All aboard - this is not a playoff team at the moment. Every player with a hangnail should enjoy some popcorn in the PB.

 

[jungles]

I dont want to spend playoff money on this team. Tank!

 

[Gabe Kupari]

They aren't bad enough to get a top 3 pick

 

[castle]

They really can't tank this year. But they may not need to. They re not tanking right now and managing to lose most games they play anyway!
maybe the complete sell-off of the goods this off-season will lead to some high picks in the next few years and an eventual return to relevance.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

My prediction: you won't see a massive sell off this offseason. Rather, there may be a handful of moves made, so 1-3. Standard excuses by Chevy , followed by status quo.

 

[drumzan]

C’mon guys… need to avoid the loser point in future.

Tank on!

Now we’re talkin’!

 

[Gm0ney]

Man, a month ago I would've said tanking was crazy talk...but here we are.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Man, a month ago I would've said tanking was crazy talk...but here we are.
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Never let be said that this team doesn't reward its doubters.

 

[Channelcat]

Is 32nd in reach?

 

[John Agar]

I rarely comment in this thread...

But I can't help myself at the moment, but I have to say...

Chevy is vindicated for making the savvy the acquisitions he did... just the upper end middle players we needed with some term... players that know how to play their role and be effective...

Chevy didn't make the big kill acquisitions for big money layout because he had figured something out... would have been a waste...

I think Chevy had seen enough after inserting Bones and his ethic, then the collapse after the Jets little hiatus...

He has confirmed lack of character in some of the core...

I expect some serious moves coming up once this group is done this year...

It doesn't matter if this team squeaks into the play offs... the core of this team just doesn't have it and never will...

Time to move on from them...

Feel free to insert names into this conversation... draft picks, more Nino' and Name' type players, young existing talent with possible upside... etc....

Send the malcontents, can't get alongs, lack of focus players to our competition... it should make them weaker...

 

[Teemusalami204]

I rarely comment in this thread...

But I can't help myself at the moment, but I have to say...

Chevy is vindicated for making the savvy the acquisitions he did... just the upper end middle players we needed with some term... players that know how to play their role and be effective...

Chevy didn't make the big kill acquisitions for big money layout because he had figured something out... would have been a waste...

I think Chevy had seen enough after inserting Bones and his ethic, then the collapse after the Jets little hiatus...

He has confirmed lack of character in some of the core...

I expect some serious moves coming up once this group is done this year...

It doesn't matter if this team squeaks into the play offs... the core of this team just doesn't have it and never will...

Time to move on from them...

Feel free to insert names into this conversation... draft picks, more Nino' and Name' type players, young existing talent with possible upside... etc....

Send the malcontents, can't get alongs, lack of focus players to our competition... it should make them weaker...

I agree with this .

I just don’t think chevy should get a pass for a decade of failure. He drafted and chose to keep everyone year after year

Another gm should be making the moves imo

 

[Thechozen1]

Not that I take solace in the team underperforming, but with the Trade Thread dormant post-TDL I figured this would be the next best thread.

If this is truly the beginning of the end for the core, where do the big dogs fit in best and what kind of return could we realistically expect to see? Won’t bother listing picks, instead will focus on young players and prospects. Will include (-) for players that I wouldn’t personally want, and (+) for those I’d specifically target.

Hellebuyck: top-5 goalie, year-in-year-out

EDM - finally gives 97 and 29 a goalie on the same plane of existence.

Ammo:
Stuart Skinner
Evan Bouchard
Dylan Holloway (+)
Xavier Bourgault
Philip Broberg (-)

NJD - poised for next decade with young forwards and defensemen

Ammo:
Dawson Mercer (+)
Simon Nemec
Alexander Holtz (-)
Seamus Casey

LAK - a retool-in-progress team that is used to elite goaltending

Ammo:
Brandt Clarke
Quinton Byfield
Alex Turcotte
Helge Grans
Jordan Spence

Scheifele: 1B right-shot centre/shooting winger

CAR - in need of support behind S. Aho, looking to make next step

Ammo:
Seth Jarvis
Scott Morrow (+)
Alex Nikishin
Pyotr Kochetkov
Jack Drury

COL - support behind MacKinnon/Kadri replacement at 2C

Ammo:
Alex Newhook
Bowen Byram (+)
Samuel Girard (-)

Pierre-Luc Dubois: 1B workhorse power forward

MTL - the obvious choice. Enough said.

Ammo:
Kirby Dach
Lane Hutson
Sean Farrell (-)
Owen Beck
Filip Mesar

SEA - shiny new big market, high-quality, young core

Ammo:

David Goyette
Jagger Firkus
Ty Nelson
Jani Nyman

BOS - big market, changing of guard at C, known for gritty play

Ammo:
Brandon Carlo
Fabian Lysell
Mason Lohrei
Matthew Poitras


Thoughts?

I’m on board. This group has run it’s course, stumbling mightily.

I would add the Florida 1st as ammunition Chevy will target if it doesn’t win the draft lottery.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I’m on board. This group has run it’s course, stumbling mightily.

I would add the Florida 1st as ammunition Chevy will target if it doesn’t win the draft lottery.

I think Florida 1st plus Dach or a player of that type for Dubois makes sense