Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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They’re piggybacking off an article that Lebrun wrote the other day.

“Well, Karlsson’s strong season has continued, and from what I’m hearing, there are teams that have in fact engaged with the Sharks in discussions. That doesn’t mean something will happen by March 3, given the complexity of this trade — a contract paying him $11.5 million average annual value per season for four seasons after this one plus a full no-move clause that gives Karlsson control of the process.

Still, the point here is that the Sharks are indeed talking to teams, which shows legitimate interest. I still think it’s more likely than not that this waits until the offseason, but we shall see. What it’s going to come down to is how much the Sharks are willing to retain of Karlsson’s contract in a trade, and even if a team is willing to go all the way, whether that club is interesting enough to Karlsson for him to waive.”
Feels like that’s a big load of nothing. Basically Lebrun saying yep it’s complicated and nothing will likely happen before the offseason.

Yeah I didn’t actually click on the article because it feels like the articles are unreadable with the ads (same with SJN).
 
I guess we're just going to completely discount that report (can we call it that?) that TNT showed last night that the Sharks were seeking THREE first round picks in exchange for retaining 18% of Karlsson's salary?

No, I don't believe it either, but I really like imagining a world in which it could be true.
 
I guess we're just going to completely discount that report (can we call it that?) that TNT showed last night that the Sharks were seeking THREE first round picks in exchange for retaining 18% of Karlsson's salary?

No, I don't believe it either, but I really like imagining a world in which it could be true.
We got them from Prince Albert after throwing the rights to Ozzy Wiesblatt in.
 
Hello Shark Fans.

Question from a curious Wing fan. What's the dealio with Meier? Are there active negotiations? Is this like the Wings and Larkin and it's basically an assumption that it will happen at some point so there is no stress? Or is this more like Bertuzzi where it's a case that a trade before the deadline is just as if not more likely than a re-sign?
 
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What's the dream trade that is somewhat realistic? Retain 3-4 mil a year for a actual 1st round package type return ?
 
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I guess we're just going to completely discount that report (can we call it that?) that TNT showed last night that the Sharks were seeking THREE first round picks in exchange for retaining 18% of Karlsson's salary?

No, I don't believe it either, but I really like imagining a world in which it could be true.
How much weed did you (or they?) smoke before seeing this report good sir?

Hello Shark Fans.

Question from a curious Wing fan. What's the dealio with Meier? Are there active negotiations? Is this like the Wings and Larkin and it's basically an assumption that it will happen at some point so there is no stress? Or is this more like Bertuzzi where it's a case that a trade before the deadline is just as if not more likely than a re-sign?
Nah, the guy who covers the Sharks for the athletic thinks Meier is more likely to get moved than re-signed...it just might happen during the offseason vs at the TDL.
 
Nah, the guy who covers the Sharks for the athletic thinks Meier is more likely to get moved than re-signed...it just might happen during the offseason vs at the TDL.
Any idea what the expected return would be?
 
Any idea what the expected return would be?
If it's before the deadline I'd expect something like a Mark Stone to VGK trade. Top prospect + pick depending on the prospect, and then he extends.

If it's in the offseason, could be similar to Debrincat to OTT last year at the draft. Trade him straight up for a high pick.
 
If it's before the deadline I'd expect something like a Mark Stone to VGK trade. Top prospect + pick depending on the prospect, and then he extends.

If it's in the offseason, could be similar to Debrincat to OTT last year at the draft. Trade him straight up for a high pick.
1st + blue chip prospect + Low end roster player(they don’t want to gut the AHL team. More of a priority to have the AHL good than the NHL team at this point to insulate the prospects)
So like... protected '23 1st, [pick from Wallinder, Johansson, Mazur, Buchelnikov], Erne? With the provision that Yzerman and Meier work out an extension prior to the deal.
 
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You gotta either unprotect that pick or offer a better prospect than one of those guys.
If it comes to unprotecting that 1st and Edvinsson/Kasper then it comes to one of those pieces rather than two. At which point I'd probably wait for free agency on Meier. Unless you guys are anticipating qualifying him?
 
If it comes to unprotecting that 1st and Edvinsson/Kasper then it comes to one of those pieces rather than two. At which point I'd probably wait for free agency on Meier. Unless you guys are anticipating qualifying him?
It would come to unprotecting that first OR a better prospect. I can 100% see why Detroit wouldn't trade Edvinsson and I wouldn't expect to get him back. But to be fair a protected first or those other guys you originally offered just aren't attractable for a guy pacing for 40 goals on this team.

Meier will either get traded or sign an extension. If it comes to qualifying, then yes obviously we will qualify him...why would the team let a player of his caliber walk? If you want him in free agency you can wait until after 2024 season...and that's if he doesn't extend here or somewhere else.
 
It would come to unprotecting that first OR a better prospect. I can 100% see why Detroit wouldn't trade Edvinsson and I wouldn't expect to get him back. But to be fair a protected first or those other guys you originally offered just aren't attractable for a guy pacing for 40 goals on this team.

Meier will either get traded or sign an extension. If it comes to qualifying, then yes obviously we will qualify him...why would the team let a player of his caliber walk? If you want him in free agency you can wait until after 2024 season...and that's if he doesn't extend here or somewhere else.
I worded that poorly. But the Wings are not in a place where they can afford to unprotect that 1st or give up an Edvinsson or Kasper. That jump is too high to then also have a decent prospect in the case of unprotected 1st or a any kind of 1st rounder if they are giving up an Ed or Kasper.

Wings are Sharks are too close to the same stage to really be the best trade partners. It's just Meier's name keeps popping up all over the place and I was curious what the situation was.
 
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I worded that poorly. But the Wings are not in a place where they can afford to unprotect that 1st or give up an Edvinsson or Kasper. That jump is too high to then also have a decent prospect in the case of unprotected 1st or a any kind of 1st rounder if they are giving up an Ed or Kasper.

Wings are Sharks are too close to the same stage to really be the best trade partners. It's just Meier's name keeps popping up all over the place and I was curious what the situation was.
I get the hesitancy to unprotect the pick, but that's what it would take for a young, first line winger imo.
 
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I guess we're just going to completely discount that report (can we call it that?) that TNT showed last night that the Sharks were seeking THREE first round picks in exchange for retaining 18% of Karlsson's salary?

No, I don't believe it either, but I really like imagining a world in which it could be true.
Well, you can chalk it up to negotiating tactics but it was also a tweet from someone who heard Bob Stauffer say that which very much could be negotiating tactics on the Oilers' end of things.
 
I worded that poorly. But the Wings are not in a place where they can afford to unprotect that 1st or give up an Edvinsson or Kasper. That jump is too high to then also have a decent prospect in the case of unprotected 1st or a any kind of 1st rounder if they are giving up an Ed or Kasper.

Wings are Sharks are too close to the same stage to really be the best trade partners. It's just Meier's name keeps popping up all over the place and I was curious what the situation was.
When you say “protected”, how do you mean? Because I’d understand if it was protected against winning the lottery, but if it were top-16 protected that would become an issue.

I would obviously do Meier for Edvinsson straight up, but I’m assuming that’s not on the table (reasonably).
 
So like... protected '23 1st, [pick from Wallinder, Johansson, Mazur, Buchelnikov], Erne? With the provision that Yzerman and Meier work out an extension prior to the deal.
I’m pretty high on Wallinder but that’s just not enough. I mean other fans are offering guys like Holtz and Jarvis who are better prospects than all of those guys. If the protection is something like only protected if you get 1st overall that’s one thing.

Ideally I’d want Kasper in the return somehow. Debrincat was traded for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. I’d be looking at similar value to that so Kasper (1st)+2nd+Veleno/Zadina (3rd)
 
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I get the hesitancy to unprotect the pick, but that's what it would take for a young, first line winger imo.
Makes total sense.
When you say “protected”, how do you mean? Because I’d understand if it was protected against winning the lottery, but if it were top-16 protected that would become an issue.

I would obviously do Meier for Edvinsson straight up, but I’m assuming that’s not on the table (reasonably).
The lottery, if that pick jumps 10 spots... that's a feelsbadman if you no longer hold that pick.

And yes, that's what I'm referring to above that any inclusion of Edvinsson dramatically changes the trade parameters. I wouldn't do a 1 for 1 unless Timo signs like an 8yr x 6M AAV or something stupid like that.
 
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Makes total sense.

The lottery, if that pick jumps 10 spots... that's a feelsbadman if you no longer hold that pick.

And yes, that's what I'm referring to above that any inclusion of Edvinsson dramatically changes the trade parameters. I wouldn't do a 1 for 1 unless Timo signs like an 8yr x 6M AAV or something stupid like that.
That seems reasonable. Assuming your pick lands around 12-14, then I’d probably do that plus your best non-Edvinsson/Kasper prospect and some short-term salary from you.

For me, getting another top-15 pick is the most important thing.
 
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Makes total sense.

The lottery, if that pick jumps 10 spots... that's a feelsbadman if you no longer hold that pick.

And yes, that's what I'm referring to above that any inclusion of Edvinsson dramatically changes the trade parameters. I wouldn't do a 1 for 1 unless Timo signs like an 8yr x 6M AAV or something stupid like that.
I would probably be okay with like a top 3 protection, maybe even a top 4 protected just cause this draft obviously has 4 prospects that stand alone. I think if you’re jumping up to 5 or 6 though it’s a bit different for me.

Definitely understand the Edvinsson exclusion. I have no idea what it is about him that I’m just not a fan of. Even in his draft year I just wasn’t high on him. I know that he would instantly be our best defensive prospect by far and more than likely our best prospect all together but just for me personally, I don’t love cost it would take to get him.

Again I’d do some real weird things for Kasper though. I see that guy as being a high end 2C for years and years and think he’d be the perfect fit behind Bedard when we obviously get him.
 
I would probably be okay with like a top 3 protection, maybe even a top 4 protected just cause this draft obviously has 4 prospects that stand alone. I think if you’re jumping up to 5 or 6 though it’s a bit different for me.

Definitely understand the Edvinsson exclusion. I have no idea what it is about him that I’m just not a fan of. Even in his draft year I just wasn’t high on him. I know that he would instantly be our best defensive prospect by far and more than likely our best prospect all together but just for me personally, I don’t love cost it would take to get him.

Again I’d do some real weird things for Kasper though. I see that guy as being a high end 2C for years and years and think he’d be the perfect fit behind Bedard when we obviously get him.
What sorts of rules are there for pick protection? Or is basically whatever cutoff point you want? Upper portions of the top 10 I'd hate it, but learn to live with it. Top 5 and that's serious buyer's remorse.

I have probably extremely unreasonable expectations for Edvinsson. I see him as a Hedman as he acclimates and fills out. He is so stupidly smooth for his size and his passes are nuts. If he figures out that he's also so much bigger than everyone else, that could be a sight to see.

Similarly with Kasper. I see him as a slightly slower but much more physical Larkin in the very near future.

Those two kids plus Seider and Raymond brought me out of my hockey fandom hibernation.

I miss the playoff slugfests of the late 00s. May we meet again in the not so distant future.
 
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