Stewie Griffin
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I'd just like to point out the majority of those guys were drafted in the top-20 picks of the draft. Which is something we have rarely done, and when we did draft that high, we have taken almost always taken a forward.
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Gecklund
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You are 100% right and I think that’s a big part of the issue. Ignoring the last 3 drafts because too young to tell but 2010-19, they drafted
Artemi Kniazev (could be an NHLer but won’t be above the 2nd pair)
Santeri Hatakka (could be an NHLer but won’t be above the 2nd pair)
Ryan Merkley (won’t play anymore with the Sharks)
Mario Ferraro (still hoping he grows into a Chiarot type player but still 2nd pair at best)
Mark Shoemaker (so bad he plays Usports now)
Jeremy Roy (injuries made him bust)
Karlis Cukste (bust)
Julius Bergman (bust)
Alexis Vanier (bust)
Mirco Mueller (bust)
Joakim Ryan (bust)
Justin Sefton (bust)
Dylan Demelo (top 4 D not for the Sharks)
Konrad Abeltshauser (bust)
The fact that from a decade of drafts, we only have one defenseman still with the team and 2 that are worth a damn right now is just astounding. You’d think they’d at least stumble into a bottom pairing D that breaks the odds. Even when you include the guys they took in the past 3 drafts, only Havelid and Laroque seem to have realistic shots at being NHLers but obviously still a time for the others. The 2010-2019 period of drafts was freaking dark. The only players that are NHLers still are:
Tomas Hertl (obviously)
Colin Blackwell (this guy defied all odds)
Matt Nieto
Chris Tierney (debatable)
Kevin Labanc
Timo Meier (obviously)
Rudolfs Balcers
Noah Gregor (debatable)
Dylan Gambrell (debatable)
Josh Norris
Mario Ferraro
With Linus Karlsson as a possibility from that period. The rest are poo. So basically we got 3 top line players, 1 top 9 player, 4 bottom pair/six players, and 3 guys that are still kicking around the NHL but probably not NHLers. That’s freaking wild. I know we can argue draft position and traded picks and all that good stuff but still in order to be good and remain good, you gotta draft well.
Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
Yep and to add to my point from this morning. Hertl, Meier and Norris are the only 3 players that have can contribute significantly to a winning hockey team...and they were all top-20 picks. This organization needs to start getting high draft picks they can use to get future core players. At some point we need to realize quality > quantity. Quantity drafting approach has not worked at all.
Gecklund
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On a completely unrelated note, I wonder if the Sharks look to move Barabanov at the TDL in a similar trade as the Goodrow deal to TB. He’s on pace for just under 60 points and is signed through next season at a low cap hit. He’s really turned it around since last season too. I think I’d move him if we were getting a first or top prospect coming back but I don’t know if that’ll be moved for him.
I would hope they can do better value than what they got for Goodrow but I think a 1st seems unlikely.
Gecklund
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Yeah I think so too. One team that could be interesting though is Buffalo. They have 3 2nds and not too many scoring forwards.
tiburon12
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Barabanov is an excellent play mover, so I wonder if the Rangers could use him with Panarin to replace Strome. He'd fit their heavy cycle game well
sharks_dynasty
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In the DW era, draft picks were scene as assets to be utilized to upgrade the team through trades. I don’t think they tried to optimize for better drafting because that isn’t what they were aiming for.
OrrNumber4
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Going back to my list, you had the 9 teams (since 2005) that hadn't drafted a better defenseman than the Sharks have ever drafted. But if you take that back to the Sharks's first draft, then only Winnipeg and the two recent expansion teams don't beat the Sharks.
The other thing is with that 30+ year history...it's a lot of the same people! The Sharks don't go for a lot of organizational change...
I understand that his current play and contract can cloud peoples opinions but let’s not forget that Prime Vlassic was probably a top 5-10 defenseman in the league. He was elite and finished top 5 in Norris voting even though the Norris is an award for the best offensive defensemen. If the Norris was not about only which D leads the league in points then he probably would have won a Norris.
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Gecklund
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Agreed and if they had won the cup in that time, I would have been okay with it. The fact that they didn’t as well as have a pretty bleak future right now and whiffed on so many picks worries me.
OrrNumber4
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I am 99% sure this is false. I don't think he was even ever in the top-10. I do remember this board chortling over Vlasic being #11 in voting in 2018 despite being unrecognized for so long.
Gecklund
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I was thinking that too but I genuinely didn’t want to fact check it so figured I’d forgotten something
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Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought Vlasic was seen as top 10 in the league after Sochi. Canada's defense during those Olympics was historic and Vlasic was an incredibly important piece of the team's best defensive pairing.
Vlasic finished 11th in Norris voting in 2018. After Sochi, he finished 12th in Norris voting.
Gecklund
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He was but I think Doughty (if we are talking about the same thing) got credit not Vlasic.
Looking at this list first I would say that Lindholm and Theodore are not better than Prime Vlassic. Also Suter, Hedman, Heiskanen, Karlsson, Doughty, Pietrangelo, McAvoy, Dahlin, Makar, OEL, and Ekbland were all top 15 picks which due to the success of the team during the majority of DW's tenure were not available to them. Yes the Sharks have not been good at developing top pair elite 2way D but the reality is almost all of those elite D come from the top of the 1st round. So that can further the need to tank argument from people. Although I will point out that the Sharks have been able to trade for a Hart winning 1C and a Norris winning 1D (maybe 2 after this year), so it's not like the Sharks have been unable to Ice elite players.
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You’re missing the operative word here, which is two-way. Vlasic at his peak was probably a top-10 defenseman in the league, yes, but he had a glaring weakness which was that he was a black hole offensively. When your effectiveness is limited to two-thirds of the ice, you don’t qualify for my list.
I also completely understand that the lack of high picks has historically contributed to our lack of high end home-grown defensemen, and I never said that it didn’t. I also never said anything negative about the Sharks’ ability to acquire top-end talent. But those two things are exactly my point. Teams don’t win Cups without elite homegrown two-way defensemen picked in the top-15 of the draft.
Sharks are starting to receive calls on Erik Karlsson ahead of the trade deadline. Something that wasn't true based on Grier's comments before recent weeks...
Rumours: San Jose Sharks Making Calls to Trade Erik Karlsson
The San Jose Sharks are listening to calls from other teams about potential trades for one of their best defenceman.
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OrrNumber4
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I fear that the potential return would be so underwhelming, that I'd be tempted to just hold on to Karlsson out of spite.
themelkman
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I just dont see it. Its too complicated and NHL gms arent brave enough
Gecklund
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I mean that source isn’t really good in any way. They have some good prospect write ups but not like they have actual sources.
Juxtaposer
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They’re piggybacking off an article that Lebrun wrote the other day.
“Well, Karlsson’s strong season has continued, and from what I’m hearing, there are teams that have in fact engaged with the Sharks in discussions. That doesn’t mean something will happen by March 3, given the complexity of this trade — a contract paying him $11.5 million average annual value per season for four seasons after this one plus a full no-move clause that gives Karlsson control of the process.
Still, the point here is that the Sharks are indeed talking to teams, which shows legitimate interest. I still think it’s more likely than not that this waits until the offseason, but we shall see. What it’s going to come down to is how much the Sharks are willing to retain of Karlsson’s contract in a trade, and even if a team is willing to go all the way, whether that club is interesting enough to Karlsson for him to waive.”
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