Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

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What’s the 2024 draft looking like? Assuming EK gets moved in the off season and management probably wants 1st rd picks. Is the 2024 draft gonna have some high end depth like 2023? is the 2023 draft in a class of its own because of Bedard?
 
What sorts of rules are there for pick protection? Or is basically whatever cutoff point you want? Upper portions of the top 10 I'd hate it, but learn to live with it. Top 5 and that's serious buyer's remorse.

I have probably extremely unreasonable expectations for Edvinsson. I see him as a Hedman as he acclimates and fills out. He is so stupidly smooth for his size and his passes are nuts. If he figures out that he's also so much bigger than everyone else, that could be a sight to see.

Similarly with Kasper. I see him as a slightly slower but much more physical Larkin in the very near future.

Those two kids plus Seider and Raymond brought me out of my hockey fandom hibernation.

I miss the playoff slugfests of the late 00s. May we meet again in the not so distant future.
I actually don’t know what sort of rules there are and I actually don’t know if there really are too many limitations about pick protection. Feels like as long as the two teams agree and it’s clearly written out for the league, it’s fine.

Yeah I mean I look at Edvinsson’s stats/highlights and all that and it’s like WOW that guy is going to be amazing and then I watch him and it’s just like huh are we sure these are the same person. I’m sure a big part of that is I’ve only seen very limited viewings of him and most of them were around his draft year. Obviously he’s grown since then but for some reason I just can’t shake my thoughts on him.

Kasper on the other hand man love that guy. It felt like he was described as a mostly defensive C and then I watched him and saw a ton of offensive skill that seemed translatable. Him and Larkin down the middle for years (hopefully) will be a force to be reckoned with!

Raymond and Seider look really fun too even though they’ve had relatively down years this year compared to last year. Seems like a bit of sophomore slump but also that they’ll work their way out of it.

Definitely agree about meeting in the playoffs again because that’ll be cup final and being in that in 2016 was some of the most exciting games I’ve seen even if we did get pooped on a bit.
 
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What sorts of rules are there for pick protection? Or is basically whatever cutoff point you want? Upper portions of the top 10 I'd hate it, but learn to live with it. Top 5 and that's serious buyer's remorse.

I have probably extremely unreasonable expectations for Edvinsson. I see him as a Hedman as he acclimates and fills out. He is so stupidly smooth for his size and his passes are nuts. If he figures out that he's also so much bigger than everyone else, that could be a sight to see.

Similarly with Kasper. I see him as a slightly slower but much more physical Larkin in the very near future.

Those two kids plus Seider and Raymond brought me out of my hockey fandom hibernation.

I miss the playoff slugfests of the late 00s. May we meet again in the not so distant future.
That might be setting up Ed to disappoint a little. :laugh: But I’m rooting for you guys to turn it around, I always enjoyed our little rivalry and was pretty sad to see you guys go to the East. Also, I’m a little obsessed with Seider, what a player man.

Let’s meet in the Cup Finals in five years. :)

What’s the 2024 draft looking like? Assuming EK gets moved in the off season and management probably wants 1st rd picks. Is the 2024 draft gonna have some high end depth like 2023? is the 2023 draft in a class of its own because of Bedard?
Not too sure yet. Seems like a pretty average class a year out, but the thing I like about it is there seems to be a lot of high-end defensemen, which we obviously really need.
 
That might be setting up Ed to disappoint a little. :laugh: But I’m rooting for you guys to turn it around, I always enjoyed our little rivalry and was pretty sad to see you guys go to the East. Also, I’m a little obsessed with Seider, what a player man.

Let’s meet in the Cup Finals in five years. :)
Yeah... I see Ed somewhere on a sliding scale between post-Florida Jay Bouwmeester and Hedman. Happy with any of it but the closer to Norris/Conn Smythe Hedman the better. lol

Sounds like a date!
 
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That might be setting up Ed to disappoint a little. :laugh: But I’m rooting for you guys to turn it around, I always enjoyed our little rivalry and was pretty sad to see you guys go to the East. Also, I’m a little obsessed with Seider, what a player man.

Let’s meet in the Cup Finals in five years. :)


Not too sure yet. Seems like a pretty average class a year out, but the thing I like about it is there seems to be a lot of high-end defensemen, which we obviously really need.
Seems like the next one that has major potential is the 2025 draft, as the whl has another potential star that is doing big things at 15-16 like Bedard. Or after looking it up, I guess the OHL.
 
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Kiviharju is supposed to be the best defense prospect since Dahlin at the time of the draft.
Well if this Kiviharju ends up being like Paul Coffey good, id hope he’s a Shark at that point. preferably EK goes before the draft this year and we end up with multiple 1sts in 23 and a 1st in 24. Like if we can get a top 5 pick and another pick in the mid to late teens this year, I think that potentially sets us up nicely for the future. Add in a 1st for Meier and we’re sittin pretty.
 
I have a hot take, which is that Kiviharju will be Timothy Liljagren 2.0. Don’t like a 5’9” defenseman without elite skating.
Liljegren actually has been pretty good for the Leafs in the last year to year and a half. They’re pretty different players though. Liljegren has been more defensive leaning in the NHL and Kiviharju is a little more offensive leaning.
 
Liljegren actually has been pretty good for the Leafs in the last year to year and a half. They’re pretty different players though. Liljegren has been more defensive leaning in the NHL and Kiviharju is a little more offensive leaning.
Sure, which is why I’m not saying Kivi is a future bust, just that he’s not in the same stratosphere as Dahlin, or even Power/Hughes/Jiricek, and will probably go in the latter half of the top-10 rather than top-3 like the post I quoted made it seem.
 
I think the Erik Karlsson situation is the big domino here. I'm worried Meier won't move at the deadline either unless a Karlsson deal gets done. I think they both need to leave to make it make sense. Hopefully they fully embrace the rebuild and send them out. Hertl we're stuck with, but also I love Hertl so watching him be a Shark, even on horrible Sharks teams will be fine.
 
Sure, which is why I’m not saying Kivi is a future bust, just that he’s not in the same stratosphere as Dahlin, or even Power/Hughes/Jiricek, and will probably go in the latter half of the top-10 rather than top-3 like the post I quoted made it seem.
I mean I’m just saying that Kiviharju has been wildly seen as the best defensive prospect since Dahlin whether right or wrong by a ton of experts.
 
I think the Erik Karlsson situation is the big domino here. I'm worried Meier won't move at the deadline either unless a Karlsson deal gets done. I think they both need to leave to make it make sense. Hopefully they fully embrace the rebuild and send them out. Hertl we're stuck with, but also I love Hertl so watching him be a Shark, even on horrible Sharks teams will be fine.
It's an interesting question. I'm starting to feel more and more that Meier will go at the deadline and Karlsson not until the summer (if at all). There are some ways to make Meier fit with teams that could use him, and his age is appealing, whereas I could see some teams that could use Karl not being able to manage it until the summer--and also thinking that if he can make it through this entire season healthy (fingers crossed!) and consistently productive, then four more years of him on that contract (or like 75% of it) might actually be okay.

Obviously Burns is a very different player/body type and has a different history of health, but I could see his success this year at 37 being helpful, too, in convincing other managers to trade for a defenseman getting up there in years.
 
It feels to me like the only way to trade Karlsson IS at the deadline because obviously, he’s in a roll this year and shows no sign of slowing down - next year, who knows. I can see a contending team trying to make space on their roster to take a run with Karlsson this year. They won’t be able to make it happen, but I can see a desperate team like the Leafs, who can’t seem to make it happen, taking the plunge out of desperation.

That said, I still don’t know how anyone makes that salary, even with retention, work.

But yeah, I’ll totally take 3 1sts.
 
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I mean I’m just saying that Kiviharju has been wildly seen as the best defensive prospect since Dahlin whether right or wrong by a ton of experts.
What experts? Finnish fans on HF? Most actual draft rankings for 2024 in the past few months have Kivi in the 5-10 range.
 
What experts? Finnish fans on HF? Most actual draft rankings for 2024 in the past few months have Kivi in the 5-10 range.
This is just from a quick google search:




Never once seen him below 3.
 
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This is just from a quick google search:




Never once seen him below 3.
The first article is from last April and the latter two don’t say anything about where he’s ranked relative to the rest of the class. And all articles acknowledge his glaring weaknesses that will stop him from being taken top-3.

Pronman’s 2024 ranking from November has Kiviharju at 8th overall. The only ranking I found (with a cursory Google search) with Kivi top-3 was Button, who is notably awful.
 
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The first article is from last April and the latter two don’t say anything about where he’s ranked relative to the rest of the class. And all articles acknowledge his glaring weaknesses that will stop him from being taken top-3.

Pronman’s 2024 ranking from November has Kiviharju at 8th overall. The only ranking I found (with a cursory Google search) with Kivi top-3 was Button, who is notably awful.
Pronman is just as bad if not worse than Button
 
3 first rounders for EK 65 with 18% salary retention doesn’t seem to outlandish I think 33% retention is where it’s going to have to be got it to work though
 
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3 first rounders for EK 65 with 18% salary retention doesn’t seem to outlandish I think 33% retention is where it’s going to have to be got it to work though
I wish they could work out a cap dump instead of retention. I hate the idea of Sharks paying for another team's player.

Does DW get a ring if the Sharks are retaining salary while EK65 goes off and wins a cup with some other team?
 
3 first rounders for EK 65 with 18% salary retention doesn’t seem to outlandish I think 33% retention is where it’s going to have to be got it to work though
Getting three low 1st round picks for eating $3.8 M in cap space during years where we will be garbage anyway would be a coup. I suspect the actual return would be much lower.
 
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