Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Shark Finn]

I'm sure the draft thread is full of this but I'm personally a bit bummed the Sharks didn't go with Michkov. Seems like he has 40 goal scorer written all over him. I love the Kaprizov comp.

Apparently Michkov has indicated that he wanted to go to a hockey market and in the Coyotes interview it came clear he didn't want to play there. So..

 

[Barrie22]

I'm sure the draft thread is full of this but I'm personally a bit bummed the Sharks didn't go with Michkov. Seems like he has 40 goal scorer written all over him. I love the Kaprizov comp.

I obviously am not intimately familiar with the prospect corps but Smith seems like a finesse playmaker-style player like Eklund whereas I would've wanted to see them take the high end goal scorer. You obviously need both, but 70 point playmakers (assuming that's whereabouts Smith averages out) are easier to find than 30-40 goal wingers (where I think Michkov averages out). Good to get more young guns that can play center.

Obviously if somehow Fantilli made it to 4 that feels like an easy call to me

Is finding top end playmakers really that much easier to find, then goal scorers? Considering the sharks have had 1 of them in the past 20+ years i would guess not. But we have had like 5 that have been late 30's early 40's for goals in that time period.

Its easier to hit 500 goals, then it is to hit 1000 assists. Which should be the other way around as there are 2 assists on a goal.

Hitting 1000 assists is nearly unthinkable, as only 13 players have ever done it.

There has been 37 players to reach 500 goals. For assists to get around that same amount of players to do it, has to go down to 800 assists.

 

[dzubrus8]

Apparently Michkov has indicated that he wanted to go to a hockey market and in the Coyotes interview it came clear he didn't want to play there. So..

I find that so interesting. I know people also called out his character concerns. Are these two things the same thing or are there other character concerns I didn't hear about?

 

[Barrie22]

I find that so interesting. I know people also called out his character concerns. Are these two things the same thing or are there other character concerns I didn't hear about?

His character concerns are him thinking he is bigger then the entire team as a rookie after just a handful of games in the KHL.

 

[themelkman]

His character concerns are him thinking he is bigger than the entire team as a rookie after just a handful of games in the KHL.

Now that we will never have to worry about him I am much more open to hearing his personality issues

 

[dzubrus8]

Is finding top end playmakers really that much easier to find, then goal scorers? Considering the sharks have had 1 of them in the past 20+ years i would guess not. But we have had like 5 that have been late 30's early 40's for goals in that time period.

Its easier to hit 500 goals, then it is to hit 1000 assists. Which should be the other way around as there are 2 assists on a goal.

Hitting 1000 assists is nearly unthinkable, as only 13 players have ever done it.

There has been 37 players to reach 500 goals. For assists to get around that same amount of players to do it, has to go down to 800 assists.

It's a very fair point. Seems to be at least from what I've seen.

2023 - 60 70 pt players, 54 30 goal scorers and 19 40 goal scorers
2022 - 50 70 pt players, 51 30 goal scorers and 17 40 goal scorers
2021 - 37 48 pt players (in shortened season that's a 70 pt pace) and 29 21 goal scorers (in shortened season that's a 30 goal pace) and 7 28 goal scorers (40g in 82ga)
2020 - 37 61 pt players (70 pt pace), 34 26 (30 goal pace) goal scorers and 10 36 (40 goal pace) goal scorers

So there are slightly more 70 pt players than 30 goal scorers and many more 70 pt players than 40 goal scorers. That said, my larger point is these are players that I believe are easier to acquire. I'd look to see how many FAs or trades there were of 70 pt players vs. 30-40 goal scorers.

Perhaps I'm biased as a Devils fan where I'm used to 70 pt production but don't have many clinical finishers (Timo and Toffoli being two of them now). Conversely seems like Sharks fall on the other end of the spectrum, being sniper heavy and playmaker light for awhile. The team seems to have had more A+ finishers in the last 2 decades (Marleau, Meier, Cheechoo, Hertl) but not as many amazing playmakers (Joe^2, Couture).

His character concerns are him thinking he is bigger then the entire team as a rookie after just a handful of games in the KHL.

Could you elaborate? Is there a clip or something where he said that or is that the impression? I'm not aware of that

 

[Le Rosbeef]

Interesting - presumably with some incentive?

 

[Barrie22]

It's a very fair point. Seems to be at least from what I've seen.

2023 - 60 70 pt players, 54 30 goal scorers and 19 40 goal scorers
2022 - 50 70 pt players, 51 30 goal scorers and 17 40 goal scorers
2021 - 37 48 pt players (in shortened season that's a 70 pt pace) and 29 21 goal scorers (in shortened season that's a 30 goal pace) and 7 28 goal scorers (40g in 82ga)
2020 - 37 61 pt players (70 pt pace), 34 26 (30 goal pace) goal scorers and 10 36 (40 goal pace) goal scorers

So there are slightly more 70 pt players than 30 goal scorers and many more 70 pt players than 40 goal scorers. That said, my larger point is these are players that I believe are easier to acquire. I'd look to see how many FAs or trades there were of 70 pt players vs. 30-40 goal scorers.

Perhaps I'm biased as a Devils fan where I'm used to 70 pt production but don't have many clinical finishers (Timo and Toffoli being two of them now). Conversely seems like Sharks fall on the other end of the spectrum, being sniper heavy and playmaker light for awhile. The team seems to have had more A+ finishers in the last 2 decades (Marleau, Meier, Cheechoo, Hertl) but not as many amazing playmakers (Joe^2, Couture).


Could you elaborate? Is there a clip or something where he said that or is that the impression? I'm not aware of that

His coach or something like that spoke about it a few weeks ago, where he confirmed he did call out his teammates for being bad at the start of the KHL season.

 

[Levie]

Interesting - presumably with some incentive?

Karlsson?

 

[Hodge]

Interesting - presumably with some incentive?

Myers has a $5 million signing bonus due…we better get a 2nd+ for eating that. He’s a third pairing defenseman.

 

[Barrie22]

Myers has a $5 million signing bonus due…we better get a 2nd+ for eating that. He’s a third pairing defenseman.

That would be the hold up, receiving team wants to wait until july 1st so the Canucks pay it instead.

 

[Hodge]

That would be the hold up, receiving team wants to wait until july 1st so the Canucks pay it instead.

Seems like more of a Coyotes move. Pay $1M in salary for $6M in cap hit.

 

[Barrie22]

Seems like more of a Coyotes move. Pay $1M in salary for $6M in cap hit.

I remember that was one of the big hold ups with the Heatley trade to the Sharks, we waited until after the Senators paid the bonus and then made the trade.

 

[themelkman]

Must be a first if it’s 6 mil in cap space, or a prospect of that level

 

[one2gamble]

that seems like an odd move to be honest

 

[ChompChomp]

Apparently Michkov has indicated that he wanted to go to a hockey market and in the Coyotes interview it came clear he didn't want to play there. So..

I hate this crap. So basically Michkov was telling the Yotes and Sharks, that if you take him, he's not even going to try to get out of his KHL contract and never sign and end up a UFA.

As it is, the Sharks have never signed an elite UFA in his prime with no previous connection to the team. The Sharks have always got elite players in their prime (or before their prime) through trades and the draft. But then you have guys like Michkov pulling this crap. It's frustrating. Frustrating that the rules allow anyone to end up anywhere as long as they don't sign within a given period of time. That's draft circumvention and there should be rules against it. For example, since this especially happens with overseas players, make it such that the drafting team never loses their draft rights over an overseas player, so if you want to play in the NHL, you have to at least first sign an ELC with the team that drafted you.

 

[Hodge]

I hate this crap. So basically Michkov was telling the Yotes and Sharks, that if you take him, he's not even going to try to get out of his KHL contract and never sign and end up a UFA.

As it is, the Sharks have never signed an elite UFA in his prime with no previous connection to the team. The Sharks have always got elite players in their prime (or before their prime) through trades and the draft. But then you have guys like Michkov pulling this crap. It's frustrating. Frustrating that the rules allow anyone to end up anywhere as long as they don't sign within a given period of time. That's draft circumvention and there should be rules against it. For example, since this especially happens with overseas players, make it such that the drafting team never loses their draft rights over an overseas player, so if you want to play in the NHL, you have to at least first sign an ELC with the team that drafted you.

That’s already a rule for KHL players. Michkov would never be allowed to play in the NHL without signing a contract with the team that drafted him unless they trade his rights.

But why would you want to draft a player who isn’t excited to play for you? More prospects should try to influence where they go IMO. Imagine having no say in where you work and live for the first 7+ years of your career. The entry draft is one big antitrust scam run by the owners.

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

I raise everyone's predictions of getting a second or first for Myers, and say that Grier will be giving assets for him. You simply don't pass up the ability to get a 6'8 defenseman.

 

[matt trick]

I raise everyone's predictions of getting a second or first for Myers, and say that Grier will be giving assets for him. You simply don't pass up the ability to get a 6'8 defenseman.

This is what I'm expecting as well. If he's free my hunch is he'll end up getting a decent return at the deadline (people always want depth d and size).

 

[OrrNumber4]

Chicago doing a great job with the rebuild

 

[landshark]

Apparently Michkov has indicated that he wanted to go to a hockey market and in the Coyotes interview it came clear he didn't want to play there. So..

I hope non-hockey market teams grind his ass into a fine powder every time his chosen team faces a non-hockey market team. f*** that guy and the horse he rode in on.

 

[Hobocop]

So hey, if anyone was upset about trading him away, he's available.

Didn't really think to mention it anywhere, but Merkley was a healthy scratch for the Colorado Eagles throughout their playoff run, so not very surprising.

 

[ChompChomp]

I hope non-hockey market teams grind his ass into a fine powder every time his chosen team faces a non-hockey market team. f*** that guy and the horse he rode in on.

If and when Michkov comes over, the entire Sharks team is going to be full of giants. Just sayin...

 

[landshark]

If and when Michkov comes over, the entire Sharks team is going to be full of giants. Just sayin...

Let's go GI-ANTS!!

 

[hohosaregood]

So hey, if anyone was upset about trading him away, he's available.

Didn't really think to mention it anywhere, but Merkley was a healthy scratch for the Colorado Eagles throughout their playoff run, so not very surprising.

Definitely a kid who didn't have the work ethic to match his natural skill. Wish it had worked out.