Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Hodge]

If it's true that the Sharks were willing to sign Meier to an even bigger contract, then I really worry about Grier's priorities. I guess Plattner really wants a quick turnaround.

It was probably Joe Will offering that kind of contract before Grier took over. Just seems completely inconsistent with what Meier himself has publicly said about his conversations with Grier.

 

[landshark]

"Fleece" is a sexy word. I just mean, I want to see a trade where the other side hurts from the trade. Meaning, the team getting EK65 or whatever is actually giving up something that hurts them and their fanbase. Like if an EK65 trade centered around Knies (Toronto) or Shane Wright (Seattle). The Burns trade didn't hurt Carolina. Meier trade didn't hurt NJ.

I want to see one Sharks trade in the Grier era that "hurts" the other team.

inb4 Devs fans be all like:
But Zetterlund... he'd already gotten the red face of the devils, he was working on growing the horns, then gone. Boohoo! Woe is me!

 

[OrrNumber4]

inb4 Devs fans be all like:
But Zetterlund... he'd already gotten the red face of the devils, he was working on growing the horns, then gone. Boohoo! Woe is me!

In fairness to them, some of that is probably just their fans earnestly overrating their players/prospects. Sharks did it too; fans moaned and whined when Steve Bernier, Matt Carle, Ty Wishart, and Nikolai Goldobin were traded, assuring the opposing fans they were getting a great player.

 

[landshark]

In fairness to them, some of that is probably just their fans earnestly overrating their players/prospects. Sharks did it too; fans moaned and whined when Steve Bernier, Matt Carle, Ty Wishart, and Nikolai Goldobin were traded, assuring the opposing fans they were getting a great player.

I'm just f***ing around. I'm super anxious for the draft. I should have put a sarcasm smiley. Doing that now. I did originally think the content was too absurd to be taken serious.

 

[ChompChomp]

Once the cap opens up again and teams have breathing room to actually improve, you'll see more potential one sided trades. Teams are having to hold assets to clear cap space or overpay for crappy players that are cheap rather than good players that are more fairly paid. 1-2 years from now. the market will look vastly different.

Here you responded when I said Nieuwendyk for Iginla. That was a win/win trade, trading winning now for winning later. I'd like to, at the very least, see that in a Sharks trade.

 

[pappaf2]

If it's true that the Sharks were willing to sign Meier to an even bigger contract, then I really worry about Grier's priorities. I guess Plattner really wants a quick turnaround.

 

[fasterthanlight]

What a backstab by Claude, we made u

 

[Bizz]

Safe to say the ship has sailed with regards to any theoretical EK65 trade. He'll be with us for the remainder of his contract, and I am perfectly fine with that.

 

[Levie]

Safe to say the ship has sailed with regards to any theoretical EK65 trade. He'll be with us for the remainder of his contract, and I am perfectly fine with that.

He's definitely going to be traded this offseason/by trade deadline. When a player like him voices that he wants to leave they rarely stay for longer than a year.

 

[Bizz]

He's definitely going to be traded this offseason/by trade deadline. When a player like him voices that he wants to leave they rarely stay for longer than a year.

he never said anything of the like.

 

[themelkman]

If Karlsson remains on this team I am not hearing any more defense of Grier. Its now or never unless he wants Karlsson to sink us when we are trying to turn this thing around

 

[WTFetus]

he never said anything of the like.

Uh, did you completely miss all the news this past week?

-https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/erik-karlsson-opens-up-about-trade-request-theres-a-lot-of-teams-that-want-to-do-it/

Sorry don't know why it's auto-embedding into a video.

 

[Bizz]

Uh, did you completely miss all the news this past week?

-https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/erik-karlsson-opens-up-about-trade-request-theres-a-lot-of-teams-that-want-to-do-it/

Sorry don't know why it's auto-embedding into a video.

not once in that entire article does he say the words "I want to leave SJ"

 

[Hodge]

If Karlsson remains on this team I am not hearing any more defense of Grier. Its now or never unless he wants Karlsson to sink us when we are trying to turn this thing around

If nobody wants him what is Grier supposed to do?

 

[themelkman]

If nobody wants him what is Grier supposed to do?

We know thats not true. Edmonton made offers at the deadline and there is interest now.

I dont care if you have to retain 40%, you make this thing happen because instead we will be liable for 100% of it with zero to show for

 

[WTFetus]

not once in that entire article does he say the words "I want to leave SJ"

But he does literally say he would like a trade done as soon as possible.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

If nobody wants him what is Grier supposed to do?

Retain down to 8M and get several teams bidding for him.

 

[timorous me]

We know thats not true. Edmonton made offers at the deadline and there is interest now.

I dont care if you have to retain 40%, you make this thing happen because instead we will be liable for 100% of it with zero to show for

You might not care, but the owner of the team, the guy who would in a way be burning something like $16 million in such a scenario, might. So Grier could well be in a position where he might not have unilateral control over the situation.

 

[OrrNumber4]

To put it in perspective, asking Plattner to burn ~21 million is like asking the average Californian to spend about USD2,100.

 

[Shark in Hockeytown]

Again, owners pay salaries, not cap hits. Philly traded Kevin Hayes for effectively pennies because before the trade, they owed him $21.5M over the next three years. Now they only owe him $10.7M, and their team still stinks either way. Briere saved Ed Snider $10M.

When you are trying to compete, cap hits matter because you want to maximize your team within the ceiling. When you cannot compete, you want to cut salaries to the bone and just make the cap floor to reduce the owner's losses.

Now Karlsson should attract much more in a trade because how often does a generational player, albeit one in his 30s, come available? But Grier should sell Plattner on a big retention as a way to cut salary and get assets for the rebuild.

 

[OffSydes]

Again, owners pay salaries, not cap hits. Philly traded Kevin Hayes for effectively pennies because before the trade, they owed him $21.5M over the next three years. Now they only owe him $10.7M, and their team still stinks either way. Briere saved Ed Snider $10M.

When you are trying to compete, cap hits matter because you want to maximize your team within the ceiling. When you cannot compete, you want to cut salaries to the bone and just make the cap floor to reduce the owner's losses.

Now Karlsson should attract much more in a trade because how often does a generational player, albeit one in his 30s, come available? But Grier should sell Plattner on a big retention as a way to cut salary and get assets for the rebuild.

Snider saved a bunch of money by dying 7 years ago.

 

[STL Shark]

Safe to say the ship has sailed with regards to any theoretical EK65 trade. He'll be with us for the remainder of his contract, and I am perfectly fine with that.

Another sweeping half baked hot take. Just because it isn't done right at the first night of the draft doesn't mean it's not happening. Could happen today and I would not be shocked. Could happen really anytime this week or early next week and not be surprising.

If you get past basically this time next week and it hasn't happened, then odds of it happening before the season go down. However, even then the Sharks traded for Karlsson on like the first day of training camp in 2018 so there really is not a time where it is too late.

Not going to let the fact that we didn't trade him for a 2023 1st rounder in the mid-late 20's = ship sailed. Even in the Meier deal, Grier prioritized prospects over picks to accelerate the rebuild. There is no artificial deadline of having to get a 2023 1st rounder in a Karlsson deal.

 

[Hodge]

Another sweeping half baked hot take. Just because it isn't done right at the first night of the draft doesn't mean it's not happening. Could happen today and I would not be shocked. Could happen really anytime this week or early next week and not be surprising.

If you get past basically this time next week and it hasn't happened, then odds of it happening before the season go down. However, even then the Sharks traded for Karlsson on like the first day of training camp in 2018 so there really is not a time where it is too late.

Not going to let the fact that we didn't trade him for a 2023 1st rounder in the mid-late 20's = ship sailed. Even in the Meier deal, Grier prioritized prospects over picks to accelerate the rebuild. There is no artificial deadline of having to get a 2023 1st rounder in a Karlsson deal.

I would say there isn’t even a need to get any 1st rounder, period, for Karlsson. Just dump as much of the contract as possible and try to get some sort of asset back if you can then move on to doing the same for Hertl and Couture.

We knew when Grier took the job that his only actual positive value trade asset on the roster was Timo and he did a great job monetizing that. Everything else is just loss mitigation.

 

[mogambomoroo]

I think the reason why Karlsson trade didn't come together is that the team trading for Karlsson doesn't wants to risk giving a middle 1st round pick in this year draft, but rather give Sharks next year 1st round pick. Team trading for him is having a lot of faith that the 1st round pick that they trade is going to be in the 29-32 area or even #32.

 

[dzubrus8]

I'm sure the draft thread is full of this but I'm personally a bit bummed the Sharks didn't go with Michkov. Seems like he has 40 goal scorer written all over him. I love the Kaprizov comp.

I obviously am not intimately familiar with the Sharks' prospect corps but Smith seems like a finesse playmaker-style player like Eklund whereas I would've wanted to see them take the high end goal scorer. You obviously need both, but 70 point playmakers (assuming that's whereabouts Smith averages out) are easier to find than 30-40 goal wingers (where I think Michkov averages out). Good to get more young guns that can play center.

Obviously if somehow Fantilli made it to 4 that feels like an easy call to me.

I'm rooting for Smith either way but I was personally hoping for Michkov