Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Sharkz4Fun]

Apparently Grier hasn't even been willing to retain 30% on EK. Clearly in no rush to start the rebuild.

 

[pappaf2]

Apparently Grier hasn't even been willing to retain 30% on EK. Clearly in no rush to start the rebuild.

Where did you see that report?

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

Where did you see that report?

 

[timorous me]

Just once in the Grier era I want to see a trade that feels like the Sharks are fleecing another team.

Obviously it's a bit subjective, but I feel like the era of fleecing other teams in trades is mostly gone now. Teams are a little less stupid--everyone's got some advanced stats team, and there are more voices in the management room than there used to be--and you don't really have many trades because an owner is broke and looking to get top players off the books.

Not that it can't happen, but we were certainly spoiled with the Jumbo trade, for instance.

 

[pappaf2]

Interesting, I’d assume this is what you are talking about:

One GM said if San Jose makes Erik Karlsson a four-times-$8M player for another team, things will get very interesting.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Apparently Grier hasn't even been willing to retain 30% on EK. Clearly in no rush to start the rebuild.

It depends on what other teams are willing to give up to make that happen. I wouldn't be willing to retain 3.5 mil and eat 18 mil in dead money without an extra 1st round pick sort of asset on top of the value Karlsson would demand on his own with the 2 mil retention.

 

[WTFetus]

Apparently Grier hasn't even been willing to retain 30% on EK. Clearly in no rush to start the rebuild.

That's quite the leap if the quote you're referencing is the one below.

One GM said if San Jose makes Erik Karlsson a four-times-$8M player for another team, things will get very interesting.

 

[Bizz]

EK65 @8M for Bedard #letsgo.

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

That's quite the leap if the quote you're referencing is the one below.

One GM said if San Jose makes Erik Karlsson a four-times-$8M player for another team, things will get very interesting.

It's actually the same exact thing just worded differently.

 

[gaucholoco3]

It's actually the same exact thing just worded differently.

Not at all. The quote doesn’t say anything about Grier not willing to make that available. Just that EK would be interesting at that price.

 

[pappaf2]

It's actually the same exact thing just worded differently.

Not exactly.

 

[Alaskanice]

Makiniemi signs a 1 year contract.

 

[themelkman]

Obviously it's a bit subjective, but I feel like the era of fleecing other teams in trades is mostly gone now. Teams are a little less stupid--everyone's got some advanced stats team, and there are more voices in the management room than there used to be--and you don't really have many trades because an owner is broke and looking to get top players off the books.

Not that it can't happen, but we were certainly spoiled with the Jumbo trade, for instance.

Feels like Colorado does it every year so I wouldnt say its impossible. Its all about leveraging your analytics and getting underrated players

That's quite the leap if the quote you're referencing is the one below.

One GM said if San Jose makes Erik Karlsson a four-times-$8M player for another team, things will get very interesting.

That sounds to me like the trade will be very good if that much is retained

 

[ChompChomp]

I mean the Grier era hasn't even been one year!

And just once during this era I want to see the Sharks fleece another team.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Feels like Colorado does it every year so I wouldnt say its impossible. Its all about leveraging your analytics and getting underrated players


That sounds to me like the trade will be very good if that much is retained

More than that, I think that teams simply value things differently. DW used to cash in the chips and go for it year after year, believing the window was open. But GMs like Sakic, Dubas, etc. are perfectly happy to build from within and run it back year after year. Teams have now fully adjusted to the cap and account for it; along with the frozen cap these past few years those ELC contracts are at a huge premium.

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

Nashville wants a center. Sharks have two. They'd have to waive of course but Couture/Hertl+Kaapo for Askarov++ would be very nice.

 

[ChompChomp]

Obviously it's a bit subjective, but I feel like the era of fleecing other teams in trades is mostly gone now. Teams are a little less stupid--everyone's got some advanced stats team, and there are more voices in the management room than there used to be--and you don't really have many trades because an owner is broke and looking to get top players off the books.

Not that it can't happen, but we were certainly spoiled with the Jumbo trade, for instance.

"Fleece" is a sexy word. I just mean, I want to see a trade where the other side hurts from the trade. Meaning, the team getting EK65 or whatever is actually giving up something that hurts them and their fanbase. Like if an EK65 trade centered around Knies (Toronto) or Shane Wright (Seattle). The Burns trade didn't hurt Carolina. Meier trade didn't hurt NJ.

I want to see one Sharks trade in the Grier era that "hurts" the other team.

 

[Bizz]

"Fleece" is a sexy word. I just mean, I want to see a trade where the other side hurts from the trade. Meaning, the team getting EK65 or whatever is actually giving up something that hurts them and their fanbase. Like if an EK65 trade centered around Knies (Toronto) or Shane Wright (Seattle). The Burns trade didn't hurt Carolina. Meier trade didn't hurt the NJ.

I want to see one Sharks trade in the Grier era that "hurts" the other team.

Auston Matthews for Sturm+Stuart+Primeau

 

[Cas]

"Fleece" is a sexy word. I just mean, I want to see a trade where the other side hurts from the trade. Meaning, the team getting EK65 or whatever is actually giving up something that hurts them and their fanbase. Like if an EK65 trade centered around Knies (Toronto) or Shane Wright (Seattle). The Burns trade didn't hurt Carolina. Meier trade didn't hurt NJ.

But they were so unhappy to lose Zetterlund.

 

[gaucholoco3]

"Fleece" is a sexy word. I just mean, I want to see a trade where the other side hurts from the trade. Meaning, the team getting EK65 or whatever is actually giving up something that hurts them and their fanbase. Like if an EK65 trade centered around Knies (Toronto) or Shane Wright (Seattle). The Burns trade didn't hurt Carolina. Meier trade didn't hurt NJ.

I want to see one Sharks trade in the Grier era that "hurts" the other team.

NJ gave up a lot in that trade but it didn’t hurt them because they had already accrued so many assets that it didn’t make a dent. That return from most teams hurts them a lot more.

 

[ChompChomp]

NJ gave up a lot in that trade but it didn’t hurt them because they had already accrued so many assets that it didn’t make a dent. That return from most teams hurts them a lot more.

What I mean by hurt in the NJ trade sense is that the Devils and their fans didn't give a damn about losing Muk. If it had been a Dman prospect higher on their list than Muk, then it would have hurt.

 

[ChompChomp]

Obviously it's a bit subjective, but I feel like the era of fleecing other teams in trades is mostly gone now. Teams are a little less stupid--everyone's got some advanced stats team, and there are more voices in the management room than there used to be--and you don't really have many trades because an owner is broke and looking to get top players off the books.

Not that it can't happen, but we were certainly spoiled with the Jumbo trade, for instance.

And if not a fleece, I still think Nieuwendyk for Iginla trades can and should happen. I'd love to see one of those for the Sharks (e.g., EK65 trade).

 

[STL Shark]

And if not a fleece, I still think Nieuwendyk for Iginla trades can and should happen. I'd love to see one of those for the Sharks (e.g., EK65 trade).

Once the cap opens up again and teams have breathing room to actually improve, you'll see more potential one sided trades. Teams are having to hold assets to clear cap space or overpay for crappy players that are cheap rather than good players that are more fairly paid. 1-2 years from now. the market will look vastly different.

 

[OrrNumber4]

If it's true that the Sharks were willing to sign Meier to an even bigger contract, then I really worry about Grier's priorities. I guess Plattner really wants a quick turnaround.

 

[Pavelski2112]

If it's true that the Sharks were willing to sign Meier to an even bigger contract, then I really worry about Grier's priorities. I guess Plattner really wants a quick turnaround.

This makes me less worried about Grier's priorities. He knew that contract would've been a bad idea and cut bait at the right time for a good return.