Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Hodge]

Just ride out the Vlasic contract. He was fine last season.

 

[Barrie22]

Next season buyout will mean 4 years, 3.8 mil, 4.8 mil, 1.3 mil, 1.3 mil.

2025 buyout, is a 2 year buyout, 4.6 mil and 1.1 mil.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Just ride out the Vlasic contract. He was fine last season.

There's only 3 years left, we won't need that extra 7mil during that time.

 

[TheBeard]

I expect to suck for 3 years, it’s not my money, would rather maximize Karlsson the asset. Say you can get 11, Boeser, and Myers for him at 40-50% retained, I’d love that. Getting another elite prospect like Moore/Benson/Willander/ASP would be amazing.

Once you retain (20% or 50%) that spot is gone. Granted the difference between 3 and 6M retained also impacts ability to take on bad contracts for assets.

That said, I’m not surprised, particularly with 4 years left, but I just want a fat package for our best dman ever.

So you'd want to trade Karlsson's 11.5 so you can retain 5.75 and also take on an additional 12.5 this year and 6.5 next?

So we'd be paying 18 million this year for a pick?

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

Just ride out the Vlasic contract. He was fine last season.

More worried about Labanc specifically. It can't be very motivating for a guy like Eklund or even Hertl to have to worry about being on a line with a guy who is 4 years past his expiration date with the Sharks. I'd assume you'd be pissed if you not only had a co-worker but probably a cubicle buddy and vastly overpaid taking spots from others for another year while your manager does absolutely f*** all about it.

 

[Hodge]

There's only 3 years left, we won't need that extra 7mil during that time.

If he really falls off, buy him out in 2025 so that he comes off the books at the same time as Karlsson and Couture (or their retained salary anyway).

More worried about Labanc specifically. It can't be very motivating for a guy like Eklund or even Hertl to have to worry about being on a line with a guy who is 4 years past his expiration date with the Sharks. I'd assume you'd be pissed if you not only had a co-worker but probably a cubicle buddy and vastly overpaid taking spots from others for another year while your manager does absolutely f*** all about it.

Labanc is definitely overpaid but he's still one of our six best forwards, which says more about the Sharks than him but I don't think he's taking opportunities away from better alternatives.

I honestly thought the Sharks would buy him out this summer but riding out the final year and seeing if you can maybe get a 4th or 5th at the deadline makes sense too.

 

[WTFetus]

If he really falls off, buy him out in 2025 so that he comes off the books at the same time as Karlsson and Couture (or their retained salary anyway).

You'd only save 2.4M in cap-space that season while adding an unnecessary 1.1M in 2026 when he would've otherwise been off the books though.
I agree with just riding him out, but 2024 buyout makes the most sense out of any of the off-seasons to me.

 

[Hodge]

You'd only save 2.4M in cap-space that season while adding an unnecessary 1.1M in 2026 when he would've otherwise been off the books though.
I agree with just riding him out, but 2024 buyout makes the most sense out of any of the off-seasons to me.

I don't see us competing as long as Karlsson and Couture or their retained salaries are on the books so I'm fine pushing dead cap into 2026-27 but not 27-28.

 

[TheBeard]

There's only 3 years left, we won't need that extra 7mil during that time.

I don’t even mind waiting until there’s 1 or 2 seasons left before buying out but right now? Pointless.

 

[TheBeard]

We coulda given Jersey Labanc for Sher

 

[STL Shark]

We coulda given Jersey Labanc for Sher

Did I miss where Labanc scored 73 points last season?

 

[TheBeard]

Did I miss where Labanc scored 73 points last season?

Pfft he would have if he didn’t keep getting benched, or scratched for ineffectiveness.

HOW IS THAT HIS FAULT??

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

I’m gonna go on record in predicting EK gets traded to Seattle tomorrow. Not sure if before or during the draft. I think it happens tomorrow. No idea of the return. My guess is #20 this year and possibly a prospect? Can’t expect a whole helluva lot if they’re taking the whole contract.

 

[glasgow26]

I’m starting to feel like an EK deal won’t happen until after the draft. I know we all want a 2023 1st to be part of the return but I don’t see it happening. This could stretch out until later in the off-season.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I’m starting to feel like an EK deal won’t happen until after the draft. I know we all want a 2023 1st to be part of the return but I don’t see it happening. This could stretch out until later in the off-season.

I have a suspicion that if Grier doesn't find a trade he likes for Karlsson, he'll just do his best to accommodate the player and trade him for whatever he can get.

 

[Hodge]

I have a suspicion that if Grier doesn't find a trade he likes for Karlsson, he'll just do his best to accommodate the player and trade him for whatever he can get.

I think so too. We should all keep in mind that 12 months ago trading Karlsson, even at 50% retained, would have required us attaching draft picks to him.

 

[seroes]

So I recall people last season said that this offseason would be the ideal time to buy out Vlasic. That you either buy him out this offseason or ride him out, because it won't make much sense to do so next offseason. Do we all think this means we'll ride Vlasic out the remainder of his contract?

Probably. We don't have any big players to resign before his deal comes to an end so we don't need the cap space. Assuming Karlsson and/or Couture or Hertl is traded at some point we would have more than enough cap space to take on cap dumps while we rebuild. At this point any gains we get don't match hurting future years cap space.

 

[Hodge]

Is this account legit? The trade does make some sense.

 

[themelkman]

Is this account legit? The trade does make some sense.

No way thats real, Chicago isnt retaining 4 x4 for some B prospects and it would be pretty bad for us.

Obviously a leafs fan going crazy

 

[OrrNumber4]

Is this account legit? The trade does make some sense.

Sounds like way too sweet a deal for Toronto. Karlsson at 4 million should require their 2024 first.

 

[Hodge]

No way thats real, Chicago isnt retaining 4 x4 for some B prospects and it would be pretty bad for us

Sounds like way too sweet a deal for Toronto. Karlsson at 4 million should require their 2024 first.

I read it as the Hawks retaining 33% after we've retained 33% so it would be roughly $10 million on their books over the next 4 years. That's probably worth a 1st and a 2nd, or a 1st and one of the named prospects. Leafs would end up with Karlsson at ~$5M.

EDIT: Missed the line that says Karlsson would be under 4M AAV, so yeah both teams would each retain 33% of the total contract. Hawks should be getting two 1sts worth of value for that.

 

[themelkman]

I read it as the Hawks retaining 33% after we've retained 33% so it would be roughly $10 million on their books over the next 4 years. That's probably worth a 1st and a 2nd, or a 1st and one of the named prospects. Leafs would end up with Karlsson at ~$5M.

EDIT: Missed the line that says Karlsson would be under 4M AAV, so yeah both teams would each retain 33% of the total contract. Hawks should be getting two 1sts worth of value for that.

There is no real world the leafs should get Karlsson under 4m so I just know it isnt possible

 

[Hodge]

Maybe the Blackhawks really like Robertson and Niemela and realize they have to hit the cap floor somehow (still over $5 million under even after adding Hall and Foligno)?

I would gladly take 28th overall and Minten for Karlsson with 33% retained.

 

[gaucholoco3]

I read it as the Hawks retaining 33% after we've retained 33% so it would be roughly $10 million on their books over the next 4 years. That's probably worth a 1st and a 2nd, or a 1st and one of the named prospects. Leafs would end up with Karlsson at ~$5M.

EDIT: Missed the line that says Karlsson would be under 4M AAV, so yeah both teams would each retain 33% of the total contract. Hawks should be getting two 1sts worth of value for that.

So why would Chicago eating that salary be worth two 1sts but the sharks get B level prospects for retaining the same amount and giving up the Norris winning defenseman from their roster?

 

[Hodge]

So why would Chicago eating that salary be worth two 1sts but the sharks get B level prospects for retaining the same amount and giving up the Norris winning defenseman from their roster?

We should also be getting two 1sts worth of value for our retention. 28th overall + Minten comes pretty close IMO. Even at 7.6Mx4 Karlsson is a pure cap dump so we're probably not getting much more than Chicago would.