Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Gecklund]

@HellOnIce its happening! Sharks don’t play the devils again this season.

They are playing VGK who Sharks don’t play again for a month so

 

[fasterthanlight]

You take that back lol, Barlow rules. Watch him put on a show at the top prospects game tomorrow

Barlow is putting up some excellent numbers, but the key problem is: he's clearly not 17, dude's a 28 year old USHLer in disguise.

 

[Harbessix]

Barlow is putting up some excellent numbers, but the key problem is: he's clearly not 17, dude's a 28 year old USHLer in disguise.

All I’m hearing is less AHL time haha.

 

[Alaskanice]

@HellOnIce its happening! Sharks don’t play the devils again this season.

They are playing VGK who Sharks don’t play again for a month so

This truly made me laugh. What you said not the tweet.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Meier to NJD has to be imminent, it just makes too much sense

 

[Gecklund]

Meier to NJD has to be imminent, it just makes too much sense

Imminent is probably pushing it but here’s the lineup. I’d think they’re looking at the entire bottom 6 and Bahl.

 

[Alaskanice]

Meier to NJD has to be imminent, it just makes too much sense

I’d rather it get done, if it’s going to happen. I dislike this to no end.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Imminent is probably pushing it but here’s the lineup. I’d think they’re looking at the entire bottom 6 and Bahl.

I looked for Meier in the lineup LOL

 

[HellOnIce]

@HellOnIce its happening! Sharks don’t play the devils again this season.

They are playing VGK who Sharks don’t play again for a month so

LOL

I actually think the trade is the easy part here. There's plenty of assets, I wonder if Grier has some familiarity with some of them from his days here as an Asst '18-'20 - but anyway - I imagine Tom and Grier have a good rapport and they can figure it out.

I think it's the figuring out where Meier's contract comes in with former Devil Conn Smythe Trophy Winner Claude Lemieux that's the harder part. I think the Devils have a structure in mind, they can go bonus heavy, I just think they'll want to keep that AAV somewhere between 8.5-9.

 

[Gecklund]

LOL

I actually think the trade is the easy part here. There's plenty of assets, I wonder if Grier has some familiarity with some of them from his days here as an Asst '18-'20 - but anyway - I imagine Tom and Grier have a good rapport and they can figure it out.

I think it's the figuring out where Meier's contract comes in with former Devil Conn Smythe Trophy Winner Claude Lemieux that's the harder part. I think the Devils have a structure in mind, they can go bonus heavy, I just think they'll want to keep that AAV somewhere between 8.5-9.

I don’t think that AAV will be an issue.

 

[Juxtaposer]

@HellOnIce its happening! Sharks don’t play the devils again this season.

They are playing VGK who Sharks don’t play again for a month so

Tim Burke? Get excited for the follow up tweets, “Meier for Miles Wood” and “it’s one for one”.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Low of what to expect:
1st and Sharangovich.

High of what to expect:
1st and Mercer.

Tim Burke? Get excited for the follow up tweets, “Meier for Miles Wood” and “it’s one for one”.

For all the hate Burke gets...it seems likely that he's better than Wilson Jr.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Low of what to expect:
1st and Sharangovich.

High of what to expect:
1st and Mercer.


For all the hate Burke gets...it seems likely that he's better than Wilson Jr.

Wilson Jr. is irrelevant, why even bring him up unless it’s to carry water for some unnamed former poster around here?

Burke is undeniably awful.

 

[Groo]

Wilson Jr. is irrelevant, why even bring him up unless it’s to carry water for some unnamed former poster around here?

Burke is undeniably awful.

Hardly that as the Wilsons decisions still plague the team

 

[Juxtaposer]

Hardly that as the Wilsons decisions still plague the team

What Doug Wilson Jr. decision plagues the franchise? I never mentioned Sr. at all.

 

[Groo]

What Doug Wilson Jr. decision plagues the franchise? I never mentioned Sr. at all.

His 1st round draft misses.
Mostly I doubt bring up Jr had anything to do with Hodge

 

[OrrNumber4]

Wilson Jr. is irrelevant, why even bring him up unless it’s to carry water for some unnamed former poster around here?

Burke is undeniably awful.

Wilson Jr. was the head of scouting from 2018-2021...of course, it has an impact on the team!

Burke was poor between 2013-2016, and has always had problems identifying the (admittedly extremely rare) elite and star talent that are available outside of the very top of the first round.

 

[Juxtaposer]

His 2st round draft misses.
Mostly I doubt bring up Jr had anything to do with Hodge

If you think that Ferraro, Kniazev, Hamaliuk, Bordeleau, and Robins is a bad group of second rounders over his tenure, you seriously need to check out other teams’ draft histories.

In the same span, the lauded Lightning have chosen Alexander Volkov, Gabriel Fortier, Gage Goncalves, and Jack Finley in the second round.

The Leafs have picked Eemeli Rasanen, Sean Durzi, Roni Hirvonen, Nick Robertson, and Matthew Knies.

The Ducks have drafted Max Comtois, Antoine Morand, Benoit-Olivier Groulx, Jackson LaCombe, Sam Colangelo, and Olen Zellweger.

Three supposedly genius drafting teams and their lists are hardly better than Jr’s.

 

[Groo]

If you think that Ferraro, Kniazev, Hamaliuk, Bordeleau, and Robins is a bad group of second rounders over his tenure, you seriously need to check out other teams’ draft histories.

In the same span, the lauded Lightning have chosen Alexander Volkov, Gabriel Fortier, Gage Goncalves, and Jack Finley in the second round.

The Leafs have picked Eemeli Rasanen, Sean Durzi, Roni Hirvonen, Nick Robertson, and Matthew Knies.

The Ducks have drafted Max Comtois, Antoine Morand, Benoit-Olivier Groulx, Jackson LaCombe, Sam Colangelo, and Olen Zellweger.

Three supposedly genius drafting teams and their lists are hardly better than Jr’s.

I meant to type in 1st..Sorry about that

 

[Juxtaposer]

Wilson Jr. was the head of scouting from 2018-2021...of course, it has an impact on the team!

Burke was poor between 2013-2016, and has always had problems identifying the (admittedly extremely rare) elite and star talent that are available outside of the very top of the first round.

I’m not saying he’s irrelevant to the Sharks, but that he was irrelevant to the discussion we were having and that you have a history of “well, in <redacted>’s defense…”.

When was the last time a legitimate star came out of the middle or late rounds? Burke was a genius in the 2000’s when it was possible to get stars in the late rounds because of lack of exposure and poor prioritization of skills. Seriously, name me a three guys drafted in the third round or later in the last six years who are even close to being stars, and I’ll concede your point.

I meant to type in 1st..Sorry about that

Which 1st round pick did he blunder, or exactly? I hated the Wiesblatt pick, so you can have that one, but even if Merkley didn’t work out I stand by the pick at the time. Norris was obviously an excellent pick and Eklund looks like one as well. Guys picked from 15-30 have an approximately 33% chance of even making the NHL, so he performed adequately to expectations.

By no means am I saying that he was some wunderkind, I’m not going to carry water for Wilson Jr. but he wasn’t bad at all. The worst you could call him was below average, and half the league is below average.

 

[themelkman]

Holtz isnt playing at all which doesnt make me super confident in him. Mercer is a year younger and has clearly blown him by on the depth chart.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Holtz isnt playing at all which doesnt make me super confident in him. Mercer is a year younger and has clearly blown him by on the depth chart.

I’m not huge on Holtz, to be honest, but he’s still a good piece and probably one of the best prospects that would be reasonably moved for Timo.

I’m kinda looking more at teams with 1sts in the 10th-15th range (Wings, Sabres, Isles) more than the Devils right now.

 

[Gecklund]

Holtz isnt playing at all which doesnt make me super confident in him. Mercer is a year younger and has clearly blown him by on the depth chart.

I’d be okay with Mercer. The thing is that he’s probably a bit safer but has a bit lower ceiling than Holtz. It’s kind of a toss up though.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I’m not saying he’s irrelevant to the Sharks, but that he was irrelevant to the discussion we were having and that you have a history of “well, in <redacted>’s defense…”.

When was the last time a legitimate star came out of the middle or late rounds? Burke was a genius in the 2000’s when it was possible to get stars in the late rounds because of lack of exposure and poor prioritization of skills. Seriously, name me a three guys drafted in the third round or later in the last six years who are even close to being stars, and I’ll concede your point.

It's tough with that window because it takes time for players to develop.

Which 1st round pick did he blunder, or exactly? I hated the Wiesblatt pick, so you can have that one, but even if Merkley didn’t work out I stand by the pick at the time. Norris was obviously an excellent pick and Eklund looks like one as well. Guys picked from 15-30 have an approximately 33% chance of even making the NHL, so he performed adequately to expectations.

You know what I'm going to say; I raise an eyebrow when people "defend picks at the time" but also "defend how picks turn out". It's playing tennis without the net.

Also...were Norris and Ferraro Wilson Jr picks? Burke was still head of scouting, and both picks are his MO.

 

[Gecklund]

Don’t know if anyone is interested and it’s a bit off topic but figured this would be a better thread than others. We are doing a Fantasy Draft over on the GM game board. I like to do them to pass time between the slower parts of the season. If you’re interested, check out the thread!

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