2022/23 Roster Thread XX: Heading into the Homestretch

[Larry44]

Provorov, tippett, Gauthier and our 1st for Columbus' 1st. . Worth a shot before the lottery.

Columbus is not trading their 1st for anyone. Can we agree on that?

 

[mize370]

Columbus is not trading their 1st for anyone. Can we agree on that?

Yes but I would be disappointed in Briere if he doesn't make at least one call.

 

[smokey]

Yes but I would be disappointed in Briere if he doesn't make at least one call.

CBJ would so win the lottery with the PHI pick.

 

[Nizzle]

One of the vampire kids in South Park episode ”The Ungroundable” is called Ryan Ellis.

That explains something but I don’t know what.

 

[Larry44]

Yes but I would be disappointed in Briere if he doesn't make at least one call.

Why? To make himself the butt of jokes at the GM meetings? Wouldn’t be worth missing out on Fantilli even if they lose the lottery.

 

[captainpaxil]

The last time there was a two person draft like this the debate was hirscher and Patrick yet those later picks turned out pretty well.
This is supposed to be a deep draft so a call from st Louis would definitely be answered if I'm the gm getting another first to move out of the top ten would be my price.
As badly as we need top talent I think there's an opportunity here to get multiple top 6 players

 

[DancingPanther]

DeAngelo twice topkek

 

[Flyerfan4life]

DeAngelo twice topkek

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this Org. sure knows value when it sees it..

hahaaa....

 

[deadhead]

Chiarot and Savard were both traded for 1st rd picks, and you think Risto is unmoveable?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Chiarot and Savard were both traded for 1st rd picks, and you think Risto is unmoveable?

Can you tell me which vital bit of context you've deliberately left out?

Include that, and then let's see if they're actually comparable.

 

[Curufinwe]

Chiarot and Savard were both traded for 1st rd picks, and you think Risto is unmoveable?

Hayes was also traded for a 1st round pick at one point. Is that what Briere should get for him this summer?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Now that the season is concluding,

I am supporting the trades of both Provorov & Sanheim.

I’ve seen enough.

The marginal benefit of keeping Provorov & Sanheim at LD on a team that will have York, Zamula, Seeler, Ginning, & Andrae next season is not anywhere near worth the commitment in salary.

Cut bait, clear cap, & see what you can get in return.

With JVR coming off the books, & Hayes & DeAngelo likely traded, even if you have to eat some $$ on Hayes/TDA they’ll be in a very good cap situation if they also clear out Provorov & Sanheim.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Now that the season is concluding,

I am supporting the trades of both Provorov & Sanheim.

I’ve seen enough.

The marginal benefit of keeping Provorov & Sanheim at LD on a team that will have York, Zamula, Seeler, Ginning, & Andrae next season is not anywhere near worth the commitment in salary.

Cut bait, clear cap, & see what you can get in return.

With JVR coming off the books, & Hayes & DeAngelo likely traded, even if you have to eat some $$ on Hayes/TDA they’ll be in a very good cap situation if they also clear out Provorov & Sanheim.

Haven't you been pushing to trade Sanheim for years?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Haven't you been pushing to trade Sanheim for years?

I thought this board greatly overrated him for years.

But I never necessarily clamored hard for a trade, though I was always willing to trade him.

I backed off my criticism of him last season because he looked like he had raised his game with consistency.

I even was ok with his extension, because I didn’t expect him to regress from last season.

But he did. Went back to the same Sanheim I wasn’t a fan of prior to last season.

I am absolutely endorsing a trade now before the NMC kicks in.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I thought this board greatly overrated him for years.

But I never necessarily clamored hard for a trade, though I was always willing to trade him.

I backed off my criticism of him last season because he looked like he had raised his game with consistency.

I even was ok with his extension, because I didn’t expect him to regress from last season.

But he did. Went back to the same Sanheim I wasn’t a fan of prior to last season.

I am absolutely endorsing a trade now before the NMC kicks in.

This is his first season like this

 

[Flyerfan4life]

This is his first season like this

look at his D partners.

i smell a Ghost v2.0 scenario abrewin...

 

[deadhead]

To be fair, TDA is an awful fit for Sanheim.

Sanheim - Risto 417 minutes, GF/GA 13/12, xGF 42.36% (45.86% excluding the first five games)
Sanheim - Braun 332 minutes, GF/GA 9/9, xGF 50.79%
Sanheim - TDA 331 minutes, GF/GA 12/19, xGF 39.48%
Provorov - Sanheim 134 minutes, GF/GA 2/6, xGF 41.86%
Sanheim - York 109 minutes, GF/GA 7/2, xGF 56.94%

Provorov - York 538 minutes GF/GA 12/19, xGF 50.06%
Provorov - TDA 436 minutes GF/GA 22/22, xGF 39.68%
Provorov - Risto 289 minutes GF/GA 7-17, xGF 45.05%

Sanheim has always played well with Braun, he seems to play best with a defense first partner.

York - Attard
Sanheim - (veteran pickup)
Seeler/Zamula/Ginning - Risto

 

[Beef Invictus]

To be fair, TDA is an awful fit for Sanheim.

Sanheim - Risto 417 minutes, GF/GA 13/12, xGF 42.36% (45.86% excluding the first five games)
Sanheim - Braun 332 minutes, GF/GA 9/9, xGF 50.79%
Sanheim - TDA 331 minutes, GF/GA 12/19, xGF 39.48%
Provorov - Sanheim 134 minutes, GF/GA 2/6, xGF 41.86%
Sanheim - York 109 minutes, GF/GA 7/2, xGF 56.94%

Provorov - York 538 minutes GF/GA 12/19, xGF 50.06%
Provorov - TDA 436 minutes GF/GA 22/22, xGF 39.68%
Provorov - Risto 289 minutes GF/GA 7-17, xGF 45.05%

Sanheim has always played well with Braun, he seems to play best with a defense first partner.

York - Attard
Sanheim - (veteran pickup)
Seeler/Zamula/Ginning - Risto

He played best with York, who is not defense-first. You have it right there. I have no idea why you look at that and determine "Braun is best, yes." Wait, yes I do: Fletcher was obsessed with that kind of foolish and pointless role/fit roster construction, and so you've bought into it.

He plays best with partners who aren't total trash.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

HockeyBuzz.com - Bill Meltzer - Wrap: Flyers Beat Blackhawks in OT, 5-4, in Season Finale

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The Flyers will hold exit interviews tomorrow morning [FRIDAY], with players speaking to the media between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. EDT. John Tortorella and Danny Briere will speak to the media on Monday.

 

[BiggE]

So, who gets traded and what is the likely return? The following is based on who they will likely move, not who they SHOULD move which is basically everyone over the age of 25.

Provorov: late 1st this year, or a 1st with some protection in 2024

DeAngelo: with 2 million retained, a 3rd round pick either this draft or next.

Hayes: with 50% retention, a 4th or 5th round pick

Laughton: yes I do think they make him available. Briere saying that this won’t be a fast turnaround leads me to believe that he will be offered for the right price. I don’t think you are getting a first but I think a 2nd in the upcoming draft plus a 4th in 24 being enough to get the deal done.

As far as the other vets go:

Couts: coming off an injury and with the term he has left, Couturier is not going anywhere. If he comes back and looks like his old self next year, he might get moved prior to the 24 draft or he might be the next team captain and the one vet they hold onto.

Atkinson: if healthy, he gets shopped at the deadline or bought out in 24. If not, say hello to 2 years of LTIR.

Sanheim: no one is trading anything of significance for him with 8 years at 6.25 million about to kick in

Risto: good luck, maybe, by 2025, they can move him with some retention.

Ellis: his corpse will slowly continue to rot.

Hart: I don’t think they move him now but, if Ersson looks good next season, I expect he’ll be moved prior to or at next season’s trade deadline.

 

[wankstifier]

I don’t think they have anyone who’s untouchable. Sell the team

 

[Beef Invictus]

So, who gets traded and what is the likely return? The following is based on who they will likely move, not who they SHOULD move which is basically everyone over the age of 25.

Provorov: late 1st this year, or a 1st with some protection in 2024

DeAngelo: with 2 million retained, a 3rd round pick either this draft or next.

Hayes: with 50% retention, a 4th or 5th round pick

Laughton: yes I do think they make him available. Briere saying that this won’t be a fast turnaround leads me to believe that he will be offered for the right price. I don’t think you are getting a first but I think a 2nd in the upcoming draft plus a 4th in 24 being enough to get the deal done.

As far as the other vets go:

Couts: coming off an injury and with the term he has left, Couturier is not going anywhere. If he comes back and looks like his old self next year, he might get moved prior to the 24 draft or he might be the next team captain and the one vet they hold onto.

Atkinson: if healthy, he gets shopped at the deadline or bought out in 24. If not, say hello to 2 years of LTIR.

Sanheim: no one is trading anything of significance for him with 8 years at 6.25 million about to kick in

Risto: good luck, maybe, by 2025, they can move him with some retention.

Ellis: his corpse will slowly continue to rot.

Hart: I don’t think they move him now but, if Ersson looks good next season, I expect he’ll be moved prior to or at next season’s trade deadline.

I've been thinking about something since AV was here.

The team's unhealthy and over-the-top-to-the-point-of-parody obsession with defense and grinding and toughness is deeply entrenched and permeates everything. They tried to make Laviolette a defensive coach. Berube was comically cautious with who he trusted and how the team moved up ice. Hakstol had the Hakshell. Hell, they managed to transform AV into a guy who was trying to be cautious and defensive, which is baffling to consider. And then they followed that with the most logical next step of this long progression, hiring Tortorella.

The team's approach to the game is too far gone. None of these moves matter. Everything they do is going to be tainted by this terrible thought process towards the game. The only move that can truly matter going forward is a real, undeniable indication that the team is breaking out of this rut and embracing the idea that offense and skill have merit.

Until that happens every move they make will be in service of a broken approach to the game. Unfortunately it isn't going to happen while they're idolizing Tortorella, so we have years to go before anything they do might actually matter.

It's why I want to see everyone gone. The cult of grinding has to be shattered. They're keeping everyone who embraces it.

 

[Curufinwe]

We don't need to check, we all know what Chuck gave him.

 

[deadhead]

A tale of two seasons (5x5 SVA):
First 26 games: xGF 43.35%, HDCF 42.10%, xGF 2.15, xGA 2.81, Sv% 91.82%
Last 56 games: xGF 48.90%, HDCF 48.91%, xGF 2.50, xGA 2.61, Sv% 91.11%
[Cates moved to center, JVR returns, York called up]

Forwards: [minutes, xGF/60, xGA/60, pp/60]
Hayes 14:08, 2.37, 3.28, 2.45 --- 13:52, 2.90, 2.64, 1.34
Farabee 13:41, 2.36, 3.12, 2.53 --- 13:11. 2.50, 2.98, 1.62
TK 13:02, 2.25, 3.48, 2.53 --- 14:44, 2.85, 2.85, 2.14
Laughton 12:58, 2.29, 2.79, 0.84 --- 13:45, 2.74, 2.70, 1.40
JVR (6g) ------------------------------ 12:45, 2.67, 2.28, 1.71
MacEwen 12:47, 2.16, 2.69, 1.56 --- 10:01 (22g) 1.95, 2.53, 0.27
Tippett 12:45, 2.15, 3.05, 1.57 --- 14:20, 2.81, 2.53, 1.94
Cates 12:28, 1.81, 2.52, 0.92 --- 13:44, 2.51, 2.52, 1.56
Allison 11:21 (14g), 2.59, 3.35, 1.51 --- 12:49, 2.63, 2.64, 1.02
Frost 11:18, 1.79, 2.67, 0.85 --- 14:05, 2.58, 2.58, 2.43
Sedlak 10:28, 2.76, 2.28, 1.82 ---
Laczynski 9:37, 1.79, 2.19, 0.98 --- 8:12 (13g), 1.04, 2.45, 0.00
Deslauriers 9:17, 2.19, 2.57, 1.24 --- 9:08, 1.81, 2.35, 0.73
[Bellows 11g, Brown 8g, Willman 8g, J Cates 5g] --- [Lemieux 18g, Bellows 16g, Foerster 8g, Lycksell 7g]

Defensemen:
Provorov 17:31, 2.14, 3.27, 1.18 --- 18:47, 2.42, 2.66, 0.51
Sanheim 17:01, 2.11, 2.57, 1.08 --- 17:15, 2.43, 2.91, 0.63
York --------------------------- 16:40, 2.72, 2.39, 0.91
TDA 16:58, 2.22, 3.52, 0.71 --- 16:37, 2.82, 3.22, 1.12
Risto 15:46, 1.99, 2.63, 0.00 --- 15:28, 2.30, 2.37, 0.78
Braun 14;23, 2.25, 2.38, 0.00 --- 12:03 (27g), 2.08, 2.37, 0.37
Seeler 13:33, 2.21, 2.31, 0.85 --- 13:17, 2.36, 2.23, 0.71
Zamula 12:59 (11g), 1.78, 2.46, 0.84 ------------------

 

[Beef Invictus]

A tale of two seasons (5x5 SVA):
First 26 games: xGF 43.35%, HDCF 42.10%, xGF 2.15, xGA 2.81, Sv% 91.82%
Last 56 games: xGF 48.90%, HDCF 48.91%, xGF 2.50, xGA 2.61, Sv% 91.11%
[Cates moved to center, JVR returns, York called up]

Forwards: [minutes, xGF/60, xGA/60, pp/60]
Hayes 14:08, 2.37, 3.28, 2.45 --- 13:52, 2.90, 2.64, 1.34
Farabee 13:41, 2.36, 3.12, 2.53 --- 13:11. 2.50, 2.98, 1.62
TK 13:02, 2.25, 3.48, 2.53 --- 14:44, 2.85, 2.85, 2.14
Laughton 12:58, 2.29, 2.79, 0.84 --- 13:45, 2.74, 2.70, 1.40
JVR (6g) ------------------------------ 12:45, 2.67, 2.28, 1.71
MacEwen 12:47, 2.16, 2.69, 1.56 --- 10:01 (22g) 1.95, 2.53, 0.27
Tippett 12:45, 2.15, 3.05, 1.57 --- 14:20, 2.81, 2.53, 1.94
Cates 12:28, 1.81, 2.52, 0.92 --- 13:44, 2.51, 2.52, 1.56
Allison 11:21 (14g), 2.59, 3.35, 1.51 --- 12:49, 2.63, 2.64, 1.02
Frost 11:18, 1.79, 2.67, 0.85 --- 14:05, 2.58, 2.58, 2.43
Sedlak 10:28, 2.76, 2.28, 1.82 ---
Laczynski 9:37, 1.79, 2.19, 0.98 --- 8:12 (13g), 1.04, 2.45, 0.00
Deslauriers 9:17, 2.19, 2.57, 1.24 --- 9:08, 1.81, 2.35, 0.73
[Bellows 11g, Brown 8g, Willman 8g, J Cates 5g] --- [Lemieux 18g, Bellows 16g, Foerster 8g, Lycksell 7g]

Defensemen:
Provorov 17:31, 2.14, 3.27, 1.18 --- 18:47, 2.42, 2.66, 0.51
Sanheim 17:01, 2.11, 2.57, 1.08 --- 17:15, 2.43, 2.91, 0.63
York --------------------------- 16:40, 2.72, 2.39, 0.91
TDA 16:58, 2.22, 3.52, 0.71 --- 16:37, 2.82, 3.22, 1.12
Risto 15:46, 1.99, 2.63, 0.00 --- 15:28, 2.30, 2.37, 0.78
Braun 14;23, 2.25, 2.38, 0.00 --- 12:03 (27g), 2.08, 2.37, 0.37
Seeler 13:33, 2.21, 2.31, 0.85 --- 13:17, 2.36, 2.23, 0.71
Zamula 12:59 (11g), 1.78, 2.46, 0.84 ------------------

So they went from being an extremely bad team to a very bad team

Great.

Tale of two seasons rofl