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2022/23 Roster Thread XX: Heading into the Homestretch

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sauce88 said:
I like Cates, but I do think it would serve him and the team better in the long run to be a middle 6 LW.
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Yup. Dallas didn't move Jere Lehtinen to center. Worked out OK for them defensively.

Maybe once Hayes is gone and Couturier is hopefully back, Torts can give him a chance in his natural position.

Magua said:
Crazy thought, but the Blue Jackets have nearly $16MM in cap space next year with an already full roster. They can easily take Hayes at $3.6-4M -- which, frankly, benefits them -- without needing to dump Gudbranson, with 3 years of term, on the Flyers. Expecting them to then easily flip Gudbranson is entirely unrealistic, not to mention they'd only have 1 retention spot left over 3 years. Yuck. If the Flyers make that trade, it's because they're stupid and valued him not because they didn't have a choice. York-Gudbranson? Sign (de facto AGM) John Tortorella up!
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I don't see why the Flyers would need to take back a bad contract when they would already be retaining half of Hayes' cap hit. Hayes at $3,571,428.57 is not bad for a CBJ team who aren't going to winning anything anytime soon.

Hayes at 50% for Roslovic.
 
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deadhead said:
Wait, I thought Cates wasn't even a decent 3C?
First season playing center, including college, and he's already an elite defensive center?
Not bad.
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Maybe with the revered JFresh calling Noah Cates a “legitimate Selke candidate” some of the posters who have minimized (& even at times mocked) his impact & performance this season will give him the props he deserves.

(Nah.)
 
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Ghosts Beer said:
Maybe with the revered JFresh calling Noah Cates a “legitimate Selke candidate” some of the posters who have minimized (& even at times mocked) his impact & performance this season will give him the props he deserves.

(Nah.)
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It's a goofy thing to say because Selke candidacy in the modern day requires a ton more offense than Cates provides, which is illustrated in that card and that's with him getting prime offensive usage. That was my takeaway. His defense has never been in question.

It must be shocking for you to learn that other people are free thinkers and we don't just parrot twitter types in all things. I know you like to pretend you're the only free thinker here, even though all you do is blindly agree with nearly everything the team does. Really thought you had a gotcha there, huh
 
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deadhead said:
Wait, I thought Cates wasn't even a decent 3C?
First season playing center, including college, and he's already an elite defensive center?
Not bad.
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Are you the same guy who played down (mocked dare I say) Jfresh's tabs in another occasion because it didn't fit the narrative then?

That's a rhetorical
 
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TCTC said:
Tbf, I've seen several people hating on Cates because he was "stealing Frost's minutes".
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The team would be better serve by pairing Frost with the better offensive players. That's why. But maximizing offensive potential is just about last on Tortorella's list of priorities.

That's also not what DH said so it's unrelated.
 
freakydallas13 said:
Lol at people propping up Jfresh now that one his takes supports one of their arguments instead of defeats it. Never change contrarians.

Also, incase you missed it, Cates is below the 25th percentile offensively. "Selke Calibur" is in defence only.
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Look how much better his offensive impact was the year before playing with Frost and Tippett, at a very slight defensive downgrade. Almost like the fit and chemistry were there to keep it rolling this season.
 
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Because it's a topic, when one of the main Twitter analytical people talk about the Selke, they're using the criteria as written, not as voted.

It's purely defensive. In previous seasons, they've advocated for names like ZAR, JEE, and Kotkaniemi. Still a very good sign! It just helps if everyone is having the same discussion.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
Because it's a topic, when one of the main Twitter analytical people talk about the Selke, they're using the criteria as written, not as voted.

It's purely defensive. In previous seasons, they've advocated for names like ZAR, JEE, and Kotkaniemi. Still a very good sign! It just helps if everyone is having the same discussion.
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Lindblom was even one of them early in his career here.

I don’t think people have issue with Cates himself but rather the way the organization goes overboard with him.
 
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LegionOfDoom91 said:
Lindblom was even one of them early in his career here.

I don’t think people have issue with Cates himself but rather the way the organization goes overboard with him.
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Curufinwe said:
I don't see why the Flyers would need to take back a bad contract when they would already be retaining half of Hayes' cap hit. Hayes at $3,571,428.57 is not bad for a CBJ team who aren't going to winning anything anytime soon.

Hayes at 50% for Roslovic.
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Getting rid of Hayes is going to be painful. Interestingly, Columbus is looking for a LHD. This mess could end up being more than Hayes for Roslovic or Gudbrandson, who the Jackets are not enthralled with having around. Hayes and Provorov for Roslovic and Gudbrandson wouldn't surprise me. Both clubs move their garbage for the other club's trash. If it is true that a deal has been agreed upon between the two organizations, it will be interesting to see what it ends up being. It's going to hurt but I don't believe that Briere wants to get bent over too badly in his first major deal.
 
I don't they've gone overboard with Cates, if you look at his actual usage, given the lack of options, it reflects his actual performance. The reason I use Dec 7 is that's when Cates became a full-time center, before then Hayes and Laughton were playing center for much of the time.

I don't think Cates is a top 6 center right now, but it's only his first year at the position. It's not like he's a finished product. He's never going to be a top offensive producer, but he's good enough to score at a 3C pace right now, and should improve that over time.

I think his future depends on the players around him, does Couts come back 100%? Does Frost solidify a spot at 2C? Is Gauthier a center or LW? Do the Flyers draft a playmaking center?

The fact that Cates can slide into LW without a hiccup, and can move to center when the team wants to match him up against a top scoring center or in the 3rd period with a lead makes him an invaluable cog going forward. To me, he's an untouchable during a rebuild.
 
deadhead said:
I don't they've gone overboard with Cates, if you look at his actual usage, given the lack of options, it reflects his actual performance. The reason I use Dec 7 is that's when Cates became a full-time center, before then Hayes and Laughton were playing center for much of the time.

I don't think Cates is a top 6 center right now, but it's only his first year at the position. It's not like he's a finished product. He's never going to be a top offensive producer, but he's good enough to score at a 3C pace right now, and should improve that over time.

I think his future depends on the players around him, does Couts come back 100%? Does Frost solidify a spot at 2C? Is Gauthier a center or LW? Do the Flyers draft a playmaking center?

The fact that Cates can slide into LW without a hiccup, and can move to center when the team wants to match him up against a top scoring center or in the 3rd period with a lead makes him an invaluable cog going forward. To me, he's an untouchable during a rebuild.
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No, it hasn't. It does reflect Tortorella's anti-offense bias though!

At least you've ceased the fiction that the lines "became set" on December 7th. They've been in constant flux all season. That's a start.
 
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