2022/23 Roster Thread XX: Heading into the Homestretch

[FlyerNutter]

Flahr! f***ing Flahr!

Nothing has changed. It's very bizarre to see so many acting like a page has been turned.

He is indeed, good catch.

I actually had a bit of low key hope until the last bit. Shero’s name primarily along with Robert Esche just give such a lazy incestual impression.

This organization already seemingly had Briere locked, and loaded to fill Fletcher’s role.

McCauley being promoted the other day is just another example of this laziness, and refusal to do actual work to bring in actual smart people from outside the Flyers sphere.

The country club remains, and it’s kind of irrelevant who is at fault at this point - because Comcast shows no knowledge that they need to look beyond the above mentioned Flyer sphere, or the names they suggest.

 

[deadhead]

They're not going to fire everyone on day one, for one thing that's a good way to destroy morale throughout the organization. For another, replacements aren't available right now.
Let's wait a year or so, and see who is gone, who is brought in, what actions they take.

Briere spent a couple years watching everyone in the organization, I suspect he was taking notes.
Much like Howie in his season of exile.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Nothing significant has changed.

I know you weren't exactly stepping out on a limb here, Nutter, but that's got to be some kind of Flyers vindication speedrun record.

 

[FlyerNutter]

At the end of the day the GM is the one who's most important for the day to day business. This is a big career opportunity for Briere. It's been reported that other teams also had interest in him.
Why would he take his job just to be someone's puppet?
Maybe we would feel better if they cleaned house, but I don't think has to be necessary.

I’m not even at the point of cleaning house, because realistically I know they are too loyal to ever fully do it to the required level.

It’s about the hires at this point. Hiring Briere without any real external search. Promoting McCauley, and the leaked rumours of who they are interested in for the president role.

It’s all just so lacking. I can accept with some frustration that I won’t see the firings I want, but the new faces added/promoted leave a lot left to be desired.

It’s just a very lazily run operation. They limit their search pool to that of a puddle at the end of the driveway.

 

[deadhead]

Sure. Everyone involved here from Scott to Clarke to Fletcher has to have some responsibility for enabling everyone else. You only get this level of failure if it permeates the org at an atomic level.

You don't have any way to know this. I don't know this to be wrong, either. But it really is ok to just say you don't know something rather than being this sure of what, how, and when.

Holmgren hired Fletcher on Clarke's recommendation.
Fletcher said it at the time that he was going to implement a consensus model, in contrast to Hextall.
It's been reported that Scott relied on Barber as his chief advisor. And that Scott knew nothing about hockey.

This was all reported at the time or in the last year. I didn't make this shit up.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I know you weren't exactly stepping out on a limb here, Nutter, but that's got to be some kind of Flyers vindication speedrun record.

I have nothing to say to you because as far as I know I’m my crazy head - you have some sort of intelligence role within the government or something.

You’ve had the power to help end this for a long time, and sat selfish, and idly by.

Caligula the Whale.

 

[TCTC]

I’m not even at the point of cleaning house, because realistically I know they are too loyal to ever fully do it to the required level.

It’s about the hires at this point. Hiring Briere without any real external search. Promoting McCauley, and the leaked rumours of who they are interested in for the president role.

It’s all just so lacking. I can accept with some frustration that I won’t see the firings I want, but the new faces added/promoted leave a lot left to be desired.

It’s just a very lazily run operation. They limit their search pool to that of a puddle at the end of the driveway.

I don't disagree. I'll just give Briere a fair shot because I don't really have another choice anyway lol. Trying to be optimistic because frankly if there was no hope I probably would just stop following the team entirely.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I don't disagree. I'll just give Briere a fair shot because I don't really have another choice anyway lol. Trying to be optimistic because frankly if there was no hope I probably would just stop following the team entirely.

Totally fair. I had a brief moment of optimism when Fletcher was fired. Hell even when they hired Briere.

Shero, and McCauley killed it for me - along with seeing Torts seemingly get more/more influence.

There is hope if they fire sale it a little beyond that of an obvious Provorov who I do think rebounds nicely on a better team.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

There's some irony out there about the constant thumping of "Scott not knowing anything about hockey and relying on Bill Barber" while steadfastly denying the Giroux/Fletcher shitshow occurring considering they come from the same source.

I wonder why that is?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Holmgren hired Fletcher on Clarke's recommendation.
Fletcher said it at the time that he was going to implement a consensus model, in contrast to Hextall.
It's been reported that Scott relied on Barber as his chief advisor. And that Scott knew nothing about hockey.

This was all reported at the time or in the last year. I didn't make this shit up.

It's not the details. Hell, Fletcher was particularly collaborative in Minnesota long before any of us cared about him. It's the way they get connected. We don't know who Chuck Fletcher listened to or didn't more than others. We just know he listened to everyone. We can't point to X decision and say it was definitely Holmgren or definitely Scott. We have no idea.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

I truly don't understand how they can decline to do a proper GM search. Not only is it an opportunity to see what's out there, but it's also an opportunity to receive free advice and insight regarding the team from both veteran GM's and bright young minds. Even if you think Briere is the way to go, maybe you'll see something you didn't see prior to the process. It feels like peak laziness and closed-mindedness. It's a really bad sign.

 

[TCTC]

Totally fair. I had a brief moment of optimism when Fletcher was fired. Hell even when they hired Briere.

Shero, and McCauley killed it for me - along with seeing Torts seemingly get more/more influence.

There is hope if they fire sale it a little beyond that of an obvious Provorov who I do think rebounds nicely on a better team.

There are definitely a few players I'd like to see moved. Most of the players Fletcher brought in like Hayes, DeAngelo or Ristolainen. But what can we even get for them?
If we want to keep the young players Provorov and Konecny really are the only ones with decent value. And Laughton, but I like him and would be sad to see him traded.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I truly don't understand how they can decline to do a proper GM search. Not only is it an opportunity to see what's out there, but it's also an opportunity to receive free advice and insight regarding the team from both veteran GM's and bright young minds. Even if you think Briere is the way to go, maybe you'll see something you didn't see prior to the process. It feels like peak laziness and closed-mindedness. It's a really bad sign.

I’m trying to think back to when they actually did something like a proper actual external search, without strong preconceptions of who they will hire.

Not with Holmgren. Not with Hextall. Hakstol. Berube. Fletcher. Briere.

Vigneault, and Lava?

I know the hockey world is small, and maybe hard to not find some connection but they so often cast out a very small net when looking for smart people to fill important positions.

I just don’t get Comcast not trying to expand the search to men in other successful NHL markets.

 

[kudymen]

You don’t have opinions. You find opinions to oppose. You exist in this corner of the internet to find things with which you disagree and then argue them endlessly. It’s not contrarianism. That would at least have some substance. You’re an opinion vampire, sucking minutes of life out of anyone dumb enough to get bitten. Yes, I’m calling myself dumb.

You are a master of words. I love this. Thank you

 

[Larry44]

I know you weren't exactly stepping out on a limb here, Nutter, but that's got to be some kind of Flyers vindication speedrun record.

Adam Ginning is getting a call up. Is it just for the one game? I thought the Phantoms still had playoff positioning to fight for?

 

[freakydallas13]

Nah. The advisors are tarnished now, their "hockey knowledge" has been discounted to the point of irrelevance.

The difference between Scott and Hilferty is Scott knew nothing about hockey or the Flyers, so he was malleable and easily influenced, Hilferty as a serious fan has followed the last decade and knows who was responsible for the dry rot in the walls.

Torts/Briere may or may not work out, but they're committed to a rebuild and I doubt they give a shit about the advisors - Torts has more experience than the advisors put together and Briere after 14 seasons and 5 HCs probably has a lot of confidence in his "hockey knowledge."

They may screw up the rebuild (though history shows any team that commits to a rebuild tends to build up a sufficient asset base that the next group can quickly turn it around), but it won't be b/c they're listening to Clarke or Barber.

You said you have no idea how this team is run, stop lecturing us with your baseless conjecture.

 

[Curufinwe]

Adam Ginning is getting a call up. Is it just for the one game? I thought the Phantoms still had playoff positioning to fight for?

Their last 3 games are Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.

 

[Starat327]

There are a lot of people in here who are 100% sure of what other people are thinking or doing behind the scenes with no actual evidence, meanwhile im not even 100% certain what i had for breakfast this morning.

I wish i had that type of clairvoyance.

 

[wankstifier]

Ginning should've been out there to start the season. Cowards

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I truly don't understand how they can decline to do a proper GM search. Not only is it an opportunity to see what's out there, but it's also an opportunity to receive free advice and insight regarding the team from both veteran GM's and bright young minds. Even if you think Briere is the way to go, maybe you'll see something you didn't see prior to the process. It feels like peak laziness and closed-mindedness. It's a really bad sign.

because they arent intersted in anything that would rock the old bois club..

 

[Beef Invictus]

At the end of the day the GM is the one who's most important for the day to day business. This is a big career opportunity for Briere. It's been reported that other teams also had interest in him.
Why would he take his job just to be someone's puppet?
Maybe we would feel better if they cleaned house, but I don't think has to be necessary.

Montreal was interested in him because he speaks French.

I don't think he's going to be a puppet. I think he's going to suck. I think he's more of the same backwater bad thinking, otherwise he never would have been hired. Nothing has changed.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They're not going to fire everyone on day one, for one thing that's a good way to destroy morale throughout the organization. For another, replacements aren't available right now.
Let's wait a year or so, and see who is gone, who is brought in, what actions they take.

Briere spent a couple years watching everyone in the organization, I suspect he was taking notes.
Much like Howie in his season of exile.

It's well beyond Day 1. They aren't just failing to fire them, they're promoting them.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m not even at the point of cleaning house, because realistically I know they are too loyal to ever fully do it to the required level.

It’s about the hires at this point. Hiring Briere without any real external search. Promoting McCauley, and the leaked rumours of who they are interested in for the president role.

It’s all just so lacking. I can accept with some frustration that I won’t see the firings I want, but the new faces added/promoted leave a lot left to be desired.

It’s just a very lazily run operation. They limit their search pool to that of a puddle at the end of the driveway.

They're not even going to the end of the driveway. They just lean over in their recliner to scoop out of their toilet bucket.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m trying to think back to when they actually did something like a proper actual external search, without strong preconceptions of who they will hire.

Not with Holmgren. Not with Hextall. Hakstol. Berube. Fletcher. Briere.

Vigneault, and Lava?

I know the hockey world is small, and maybe hard to not find some connection but they so often cast out a very small net when looking for smart people to fill important positions.

I just don’t get Comcast not trying to expand the search to men in other successful NHL markets.

Back in the 60s or 70s

 

[Kelmitchell2]

I think they are taking back a contract no matter what.

Which contract do you think it'd be ?