2022/23 Roster Thread XX: Heading into the Homestretch

[Striiker]

Here’s when you start to have a little hope:

-Torts is fired
-Briere is fired
-whoever ends up as the President of hockey ops is fired
-all the advisors are banished

Until then, nothing changes.

 

[ajgoal]

 

[deadhead]

He called them "foundational titans" and lauded their contributions lol. Literally told us "they'll be here as long as I'm a part of this organization". It's not a f***ing start, it's endless oblivion

You left out the quotes where he said their advice will only be given when asked. And that Briere, Torts and the new President will make all the hockey decisions, i.e., Hilferty isn't going to be involved with hockey ops.

In other words, boys, here's your gold watch, when is your tee time?
The advisors will have zero influence going forward. They'll get to sit in the owner's box and bitch when they visit Philly and the beers will be free.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You left out the quotes where he said their advice will only be given when asked. And that Briere, Torts and the new President will make all the hockey decisions, i.e., Hilferty isn't going to be involved with hockey ops.

In other words, boys, here's your gold watch, when is your tee time?
The advisors will have zero influence going forward. They'll get to sit in the owner's box and bitch when they visit Philly and the beers will be free.

It's funny you believe that they won't be actively asked for advice all the time.

All their cronies are still in place. Their creatures. Their influence continues until all of that is gone.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It's funny you believe that they won't be actively asked for advice all the time.

All their cronies are still in place. Their creatures. Their influence continues until all of that is gone.

It's almost like they were banished when Hextall was around but still found a way to weasel their way back in. They're cockroaches. They will survive nuclear holocaust.

Why anyone would believe that this time it will be different is wild to me.

 

[deadhead]

Nah. The advisors are tarnished now, their "hockey knowledge" has been discounted to the point of irrelevance.

The difference between Scott and Hilferty is Scott knew nothing about hockey or the Flyers, so he was malleable and easily influenced, Hilferty as a serious fan has followed the last decade and knows who was responsible for the dry rot in the walls.

Torts/Briere may or may not work out, but they're committed to a rebuild and I doubt they give a shit about the advisors - Torts has more experience than the advisors put together and Briere after 14 seasons and 5 HCs probably has a lot of confidence in his "hockey knowledge."

They may screw up the rebuild (though history shows any team that commits to a rebuild tends to build up a sufficient asset base that the next group can quickly turn it around), but it won't be b/c they're listening to Clarke or Barber.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Nah. The advisors are tarnished now, their "hockey knowledge" has been discounted to the point of irrelevance.

The difference between Scott and Hilferty is Scott knew nothing about hockey or the Flyers, so he was malleable and easily influenced, Hilferty as a serious fan has followed the last decade and knows who was responsible for the dry rot in the walls.

Torts/Briere may or may not work out, but they're committed to a rebuild and I doubt they give a shit about the advisors - Torts has more experience than the advisors put together and Briere after 14 seasons and 5 HCs probably has a lot of confidence in his "hockey knowledge."

They may screw up the rebuild (though history shows any team that commits to a rebuild tends to build up a sufficient asset base that the next group can quickly turn it around), but it won't be b/c they're listening to Clarke or Barber.

Made up fantasy on your part.

More experience than the advisors put together? Where the hell do you come up with this shit about this man? JFC. Your erotica about John Tortorella knows no bounds.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Nah. The advisors are tarnished now, their "hockey knowledge" has been discounted to the point of irrelevance.

The difference between Scott and Hilferty is Scott knew nothing about hockey or the Flyers, so he was malleable and easily influenced, Hilferty as a serious fan has followed the last decade and knows who was responsible for the dry rot in the walls.

Torts/Briere may or may not work out, but they're committed to a rebuild and I doubt they give a shit about the advisors - Torts has more experience than the advisors put together and Briere after 14 seasons and 5 HCs probably has a lot of confidence in his "hockey knowledge."

They may screw up the rebuild (though history shows any team that commits to a rebuild tends to build up a sufficient asset base that the next group can quickly turn it around), but it won't be b/c they're listening to Clarke or Barber.

So tarnished that Hilferty heavily praised them and vowed to keep them forever.

Tortorella has more hockey experience than all of them combined? May want to check the counting on that. Counting. It's not even math you're messing up here.

You're going fully delusional in your attempts to keep puffing up a long-failed coach working for long-failed management. When that's what defense takes, it's time to ponder if you should be defending everything they do at every turn.

 

[Starat327]

This is comical at this point.

 

[deadhead]

The advisors have spent most of the last four decades drinking beer. Clarke had a couple runs at GM in the pre-cap era, Holmgren had some HC pre-cap, GM post cap. Lombardi had his stretch in LA. Barber has little post playing day experience.

Torts has coached through every transition the last two decades, to the hard cap and the new rule enforcement. He's far more in tune with hockey than the advisors. And some of that "dino" stuff is played up for effect - for a guy who doesn't like skill, he was awfully patient with TDA b/c he has speed and skill, hoping they could beat some defense into his thick skull.

It took Torts two months to see that this team is so devoid of skill and talent it has no chance to seriously contend for 4-5 years - the advisors were still living in fantasy land and feeding Scott "aggressively reload" BS. They thought Torts would wave a magic wand and turn rats into horses. He quickly figured out the rats were white mice.

 

[BiggE]

It's almost like they were banished when Hextall was around but still found a way to weasel their way back in. They're cockroaches. They will survive nuclear holocaust.

Why anyone would believe that this time it will be different is wild to me.

Yup, Briere has often spoke about how much he respects and admires Holmgren and Homer all but worships Clarke. There will be changes, but the changes will be cosmetic. An assistant coach might be replaced. Lombardi might be let go and Barber, who was particularly close to Scott might be slowly eased into full retirement, but don’t expect much more.

When the smoke clears and the dust settles, little will really change.
Clarke and Holmgren will be doing their thing.
Flahr will still be stuffing his face and obsessing over size
The dickhead narcissist will still be HC
Lappy will still be running LHV
Brown and Kjell will still be employed.

Yeah, it’s gonna suck and it’s gonna suck for quite a while. Even if they get lucky and get Bedard, Flahr will try to fatten him up while the God Emperor Torts will move him to RW and put him on a line with Cates and Nic D.

 

[deadhead]

What do you think Briere is going to say when he's an underling?
You go around slamming people in your company who can get you fired or deep six your career?
And I'm sure Briere has a lot of respect for what they accomplished in the past (decades ago).

But who was instrumental in Briere's ascension? Not the advisors. Camillo. That is, Comcast.

It's been obvious for months that Torts/Briere are working as a team, and there is zero evidence they've asked the advisors for ANY input. In fact, they've made it clear that everything they plan to do is the opposite of what the advisors have suggested to do the last decade.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I'd like to think I'm a serious fan. I have absolutely no idea who's responsible for what.

Knowing what you don't know is a skill. An important one.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The advisors have spent most of the last four decades drinking beer. Clarke had a couple runs at GM in the pre-cap era, Holmgren had some HC pre-cap, GM post cap. Lombardi had his stretch in LA. Barber has little post playing day experience.

Torts has coached through every transition the last two decades, to the hard cap and the new rule enforcement. He's far more in tune with hockey than the advisors. And some of that "dino" stuff is played up for effect - for a guy who doesn't like skill, he was awfully patient with TDA b/c he has speed and skill, hoping they could beat some defense into his thick skull.

It took Torts two months to see that this team is so devoid of skill and talent it has no chance to seriously contend for 4-5 years - the advisors were still living in fantasy land and feeding Scott "aggressively reload" BS. They thought Torts would wave a magic wand and turn rats into horses. He quickly figured out the rats were white mice.

Belittling the other guys because they were pre-cap is good stuff. John Tortorella has pretty much done jack shit since the pre-cap era so I thank you for stating that. They're more alike than you care to admit.

P.S. He's not going to date you.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The advisors have spent most of the last four decades drinking beer. Clarke had a couple runs at GM in the pre-cap era, Holmgren had some HC pre-cap, GM post cap. Lombardi had his stretch in LA. Barber has little post playing day experience.

Torts has coached through every transition the last two decades, to the hard cap and the new rule enforcement. He's far more in tune with hockey than the advisors. And some of that "dino" stuff is played up for effect - for a guy who doesn't like skill, he was awfully patient with TDA b/c he has speed and skill, hoping they could beat some defense into his thick skull.

It took Torts two months to see that this team is so devoid of skill and talent it has no chance to seriously contend for 4-5 years - the advisors were still living in fantasy land and feeding Scott "aggressively reload" BS. They thought Torts would wave a magic wand and turn rats into horses. He quickly figured out the rats were white mice.

This is just a lie. Flat-out, naked lie.

Don't debase yourself by lying for Tortorella. He's already failed you in every way. All of your predictions were wrong.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What do you think Briere is going to say when he's an underling?
You go around slamming people in your company who can get you fired or deep six your career?
And I'm sure Briere has a lot of respect for what they accomplished in the past (decades ago).

But who was instrumental in Briere's ascension? Not the advisors. Camillo. That is, Comcast.

It's been obvious for months that Torts/Briere are working as a team, and there is zero evidence they've asked the advisors for ANY input. In fact, they've made it clear that everything they plan to do is the opposite of what the advisors have suggested to do the last decade.

I also hope you recognize what you stated here when it comes to your constant ignoring of the fact that players don't openly bash coaches for no reason while they're still playing.

 

[kudymen]

It took Torts two months to see that this team is so devoid of skill and talent it has no chance to seriously contend

Which is basically the date of…. Tadaaa…. Dec 7th. Coincidence!?

 

[Beef Invictus]

I also hope you recognize what you stated here when it comes to your constant ignoring of the fact that players don't openly bash coaches for no reason while they're still playing.

He won't.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I feel like I am reading the same things over and over when folks are giving certain people attention. It’s 90 percent of the goddamn conversation

 

[Curufinwe]

Kev has 3 goals and 9 points in the 23 games since his deserved All-Star appearance.

The Flyers always know when to sell high. I eagerly await how much they’ll eat on his contract. If it’s not in the $2.5-3MM range — with the goal of returning an actual asset — this rebuild talk is just posturing. The less they eat, with the intent to simply dump a contract for “flexibility” and “culture” (*laugh track*), the more they show their lacking of a long term vision.

Hayes at 50% to CBJ seems like a done deal. The question is do the Flyers have to add a pick and do they get anything back. Roslovic, perhaps?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Hayes at 50% to CBJ seems like a done deal. The question is do the Flyers have to add a pick and do they get anything back. Roslovic, perhaps?

I think they are taking back a contract no matter what.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Posters here act like Clarke, Holmgren, and Barber were running the show.

Clarke is in Florida. Maybe Homer and Barber sat in on a lot of management meetings, or maybe they didn't. It's all speculation.

What we do know, as a fact, is that Dean Lombardi was the only "senior advisor" who sat in during the Tortorella interview process.

The first interview was conducted by Chuck, Flahr, and Briere. And Lombardi joined for the second interview.

That's not saying there weren't other "advisors" in management's ears, but Lombardi's presence indicates to me that if you want to pick one "senior advisor" who was probably most involved in the team's decisions, my money is on Dean Lombardi more than Clarke Holmgren and Barber.

Edit: I should say "day-to-day decisions."

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If any person doesn't think the advisors had a real role, fair enough. None of us know. But there's a catch.

If you spent the last 4 years screaming that Chuck Fletcher was treated unfairly because he had no choice, maybe have the tiniest bit of self-awareness and sit this one out.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

If you are talking to me, I have said for four years that Chuck Fletcher was hired by Dave Scott with the mandate to win now.

That's not "screaming that Chuck Fletcher was treated unfairly."

That's stating a stone-cold fact.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Posters here act like Clarke, Holmgren, and Barber were running the show.

Clarke is in Florida. Maybe Homer and Barber sat in on a lot of management meetings, or maybe they didn't. It's all speculation.

What we do know, as a fact, is that Dean Lombardi was the only "senior advisor" who sat in during the Tortorella interview process.

The first interview was conducted by Chuck, Flahr, and Briere. And Lombardi joined for the second interview.

That's not saying there weren't other "advisors" in management's ears, but Lombardi's presence indicates to me that if you want to pick one "senior advisor" who was probably most involved in the team's decisions, my money is on Dean Lombardi more than Clarke Holmgren and Barber.

Edit: I should say "day-to-day decisions."

We also know Clarke wanted him, stumped for him, and was thrilled to have him. We also know Clarke is the entire reason the Fletcher debacle happened.

Nobody has ever argued those guys were making day today decisions. Nobody at all is acting like they were running the show. You're just making shit up again, because you can't defend the team any other way so you just lie about what people here are saying instead of trying to justify the massive errors perpetrated nonstop by the team.