2022/23 Roster Thread XVIII: The bats have left the bell tower

[Flyerfan4life]

There’s the 50th contract!

inB4

Surprised how much work he needs? So they didn't even scout him beforehand?

Fletch enters chat....

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Once again: internet message board nerds could see the disaster that was TDA from a mile away, but this team's management and pro scouts couldn't.

Dumpster. Franchise.

Or they could have had a meaningful plan to cover his warts that didn't hinge on specifically Ivan Provorov being otherworldly unselfish. I still get a good chuckle out of that last bit.

I think we collectively had no faith in them to do so, of course. But theoretically. In a universe where competence exists.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Once again: internet message board nerds could see the disaster that was TDA from a mile away, but this team's management and pro scouts couldn't.

Dumpster. Franchise.

not one person here could have called this... not one...

hahaaaa..


its unreal how many times that statement is called for here...

 

[usahockey22flyers]

TDA was worth a gamble, he just wasn't worth a 2nd, 3rd and 2yr/$10M gamble.

He's kept his nose clean, his offensive talent is indisputable, he's feisty, but after 50 games if you can't pick up fundamentals and at least play passable defense, well . . .

I would have been fine with TDA as a free agent or something, this asset management is awful

 

[renberg]

I would have been fine with TDA as a free agent or something, this asset management is awful

IDK; maybe Fletcher thought that if he passed on Gaudreau and signed dA that the fans base would be satisfied with adding a local guy at a cheaper rate. Plus he was at a position of need. Unfortunately dA has been a total fail that the club is going to have to eat through next year.

 

[Hextallent63]

TDA was worth a gamble, he just wasn't worth a 2nd, 3rd and 2yr/$10M gamble.

He's kept his nose clean, his offensive talent is indisputable, he's feisty, but after 50 games if you can't pick up fundamentals and at least play passable defense, well . . .

not defending getting him or turning blame away from tda, but the flyers have nothing to pair him with to maximize his skill set. and chuck sure has shown zero ability to put together a d corps. there are parts of the d that are ok, but no one right now is capable of leading a defensive pairing.

 

[Hextallent63]

TDA needs work defensively. LOL.
He is what he is. All offense, no defense. He can’t be fixed. This organization continues to be clueless.

he does play defense. 90% of the time he tries to do the right thing, it just only works 40% of the time. the other ten % is always shit. i think his problem is he thinks he is smarter than he is and trys plays he can't make, and thinks he has more time than he does, which takes him out of position alot. and that shimmy shit he does at the blueline drives me crazy.

The first month when all the yahoos raved about how underrated his defense was......that was a helluva time.

Remember: Fletcher, in his post-trade presser, said DeAngelo was a top pair defender. The man who only ever talks about defense, jettisoning a vastly superior Ghost in the process, acquired the worst defensive player in the league. Might want to sit down for this: he doesn't know what the f*** he's doing.

ill admit i thought he was not too bad defensively for a bit, but yea he is crap.

 

[deadhead]

Or they could have had a meaningful plan to cover his warts that didn't hinge on specifically Ivan Provorov being otherworldly unselfish. I still get a good chuckle out of that last bit.

I think we collectively had no faith in them to do so, of course. But theoretically. In a universe where competence exists.

While expecting anyone on the Flyers to imitate Slavin is a reach, TDA wasn't nearly this bad paired with Staal in NY, and was even decent with Fox and Skjei.

Watching him, it's not that he doesn't want to play defense, he doesn't know how to play defense, and there is no reliable partner to settle him down and tell him where to go. The kid tries, he's just clueless.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

While expecting anyone on the Flyers to imitate Slavin is a reach, TDA wasn't nearly this bad paired with Staal in NY, and was even decent with Fox and Skjei.

Watching him, it's not that he doesn't want to play defense, he doesn't know how to play defense, and there is no reliable partner to settle him down and tell him where to go. The kid tries, he's just clueless.

The idea that someone is better with Adam Fox is not my idea of a compelling point.

DeAngelo is also now 27. We shouldn't expect him to be able to do everything he could physically do in his early 20s. Doubly so given that we agree he's lacking in approach and awareness as fallback options.

 

[Starat327]

Tortorella rebuild, folks. Strong defensiv...shit no.

We'll outsco...damnit.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

TDA was worth a gamble, he just wasn't worth a 2nd, 3rd and 2yr/$10M gamble.

He's kept his nose clean, his offensive talent is indisputable, he's feisty, but after 50 games if you can't pick up fundamentals and at least play passable defense, well . . .

That's not what you said when we acquired him, you were all for it and said that it was a very small price to pay for a player that can put up 60 pts regularly

 

[deadhead]

No, I said TDA was a good gamble for a rebuilding team.
He has great offensive skills, you don't need him to be a plus on defense, just don't be a black hole.

Don't think it's a coincidence that Sanheim had maybe his best game this season paired with Risto.

Meanwhile, sheltering TDA with Seeler and limiting his minutes is the best you can do - of course, I suggested doing the same with Ghost. That's how you maximize value out of these kind of D-men, PP1, offensive zone starts, and sit them with a lead.

 

[deadhead]

Yep, called it on Hogberg.

"The 24-year-old defenseman will return to his native Sweden."

Makes sense, his path to the NHL is blocked, he can probably make more money in the SHL than the AHL, gets to go back home, and can have a nice 10 year career there. No one's fault, he just wasn't good enough for the NA game.

 

[trostol]

rebuilding!!!!!

 

[captainpaxil]

Yep, called it on Hogberg.

"The 24-year-old defenseman will return to his native Sweden."

Makes sense, his path to the NHL is blocked, he can probably make more money in the SHL than the AHL, gets to go back home, and can have a nice 10 year career there. No one's fault, he just wasn't good enough for the NA game.

He wasn't rated high enough that another team would take a chance on him for a low round pick it's a shame it came to termination but that's Fletcher for you traditionally this is a guy the team would have done the favor for

 

[Flyer lurker]

When you see get Zach in a fight this year
Yes I mean the guy in dallas jersey

 

[usahockey22flyers]

IDK; maybe Fletcher thought that if he passed on Gaudreau and signed dA that the fans base would be satisfied with adding a local guy at a cheaper rate. Plus he was at a position of need. Unfortunately dA has been a total fail that the club is going to have to eat through next year.

I could legit see Tony putting a team over the top on the PP or something. I've never been a TDA fan, but even I will acknowledge he's talented in the OZ...but, we're not even close to that. Just lying to ourselves one wasted asset at a time. Joke

 

[Rebels57]

This team has spent a decade obsessing over defense while having zero idea how defense works. It's really something else.

Good thing almost everyone responsible is still firmly employed!

Then, ironically, spent 3 draft picks on the worst defensive dmen in the league.

 

[flyersnorth]

Teams are already starting to move assets. STL just got a 2023 1st from the Rangers.

Why are we not moving assets? Which of the following is true?

1. The Flyers are undecided if they will be buyers or sellers.
2. The Flyers are asleep at the switch (mostly due to indecision).
3. The Flyers have no one in charge (Fletch is a lame duck; no one else in place to make moves).

Just like last year, Montreal got the jump on trading Chiarot and got the Panthers 1st this year. Flyers had to settle for next year's 1st.

I can see the same thing happening again.

 

[Cody Webster]

He wasn't rated high enough that another team would take a chance on him for a low round pick it's a shame it came to termination but that's Fletcher for you traditionally this is a guy the team would have done the favor for

He probably didn't even try. Hogberg probably just came up and asked for a release and was given one

 

[WIP CALLER]

Teams are already starting to move assets. STL just got a 2023 1st from the Rangers.

Why are we not moving assets? Which of the following is true?

1. The Flyers are undecided if they will be buyers or sellers.
2. The Flyers are asleep at the switch (mostly due to indecision).
3. The Flyers have no one in charge (Fletch is a lame duck; no one else in place to make moves).

Just like last year, Montreal got the jump on trading Chiarot and got the Panthers 1st this year. Flyers had to settle for next year's 1st.

I can see the same thing happening again.

It's because Chuck doesn't actually put in effort on trades until the day of the trade deadline. He sees trade deadline on the calendar and circles it as the date that he actually has to put in work. It's too much effort for him to do things ahead of time. Same thing in free agency. He works for the first 6 hours it opens when prices are at their highest then he's done for the offseason.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

No, I said TDA was a good gamble for a rebuilding team.
He has great offensive skills, you don't need him to be a plus on defense, just don't be a black hole.

Don't think it's a coincidence that Sanheim had maybe his best game this season paired with Risto.

Meanwhile, sheltering TDA with Seeler and limiting his minutes is the best you can do - of course, I suggested doing the same with Ghost. That's how you maximize value out of these kind of D-men, PP1, offensive zone starts, and sit them with a lead.

Yes sanhiem is a product of ristolainen, thank God we traded so much for him and resigned him to that horrific contract, sanhiem would have never looked good out there without him.....

 

[Beef Invictus]

Teams are already starting to move assets. STL just got a 2023 1st from the Rangers.

Why are we not moving assets? Which of the following is true?

1. The Flyers are undecided if they will be buyers or sellers.
2. The Flyers are asleep at the switch (mostly due to indecision).
3. The Flyers have no one in charge (Fletch is a lame duck; no one else in place to make moves).

Just like last year, Montreal got the jump on trading Chiarot and got the Panthers 1st this year. Flyers had to settle for next year's 1st.

I can see the same thing happening again.

All three. Also, 4), Fletcher is lazy and always waits until the last minute to do stuff. Same reason he only works one day of FA and calls it an offseason. It's all four of those things, and the laziness fuels the indecision because it justifies the laziness. Feedback loop!

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yes sanhiem is a product of ristolainen, thank God we traded so much for him and resigned him to that horrific contract, sanhiem would have never looked good out there without him.....

Imagine how good Sanheim could be without a dungheap partner

 

[BiggE]

Imagine a world in which an NHL franchise thinks adding D’Angelo, Fisto and Nic D makes that team better.

Sadly, imagination isn’t needed.

The Flyers are the worst run professional sports franchise in North America. Yay team.