2022/23 Roster Thread XVIII: The bats have left the bell tower

[deadhead]

Tippett doesn't use his size to make things happen. Allison has always been a physically aggressive specimen. Tortorella didn't do that. That was his play style.

Allison was being too cute, Torts had to beat that out of him.

Tippett uses his size to enter the zone, and has 91 hits in 53 games, that ain't playing like a finesse forward - he's not Allison or Laughton, but he's not figure skating, either.

One difference, forwards lead the team in hits, not defensemen like past seasons. He wants the hits to come on the forecheck, not chasing them in the D-zone, where you can show yourself to be a "manly man" by winning board battles and getting the puck out of the zone.

 

[DancingPanther]

Did anyone just hear that?

Speak for yourself. The dogs and I are on our second walk today. I listened with an open mind and decided to fire up some Tortorella clips on the phone.

Torts just helped me and the pups break the sound barrier. Sorry for the sonic boom that should be hitting you in ~6 Minutes.

Oh

 

[Striiker]

Or, uh, Travis Konecny?

That’s incredibly easy. Bye Carson.

 

[Perratrooper]

I see a main board thread on the value of Carter Hart and I was wondering if he’s actually someone the Flyers would trade?

 

[DancingPanther]

I see a main board thread on the value of Carter Hart and I was wondering if he’s actually someone the Flyers would trade?

There are a lot of people glad I'm not the GM. I would have traded him before Christmas

 

[Perratrooper]

There are a lot of people glad I'm not the GM. I would have traded him before Christmas

What’s the deal with him? Is he not still a good goalie?

 

[DancingPanther]

What’s the deal with him? Is he not still a good goalie?

He's very good, and downright excellent. Perhaps the most underrated of the "good" goalies. Which is why he'd be toast if I had the reins. He'd be the last part of the problem after I fire everyone, because Konecny and Sanheim would have been traded before him

 

[TheKingPin]

Hard to believe an elite, innovative, franchise-altering coach like Torts hasn’t won a cup in 19 years.

Wow I’m old

 

[JojoTheWhale]

What’s the deal with him? Is he not still a good goalie?

He's good. Exactly how good is always up for debate because the position is so volatile.

Some people want to do a full teardown. If you do, paying 3rd contract money to a Goalie who will need another deal at 26 when you're not planning on being good for a few years makes no sense. In that case, it's better to move him while he has 1.5 years left at just under 4 per.

The Flyers are, however, incompetent and short-sighted. This will never be considered even if they thought they needed to rebuild. Which they don't think at all.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Allison was being too cute, Torts had to beat that out of him.

Tippett uses his size to enter the zone, and has 91 hits in 53 games, that ain't playing like a finesse forward - he's not Allison or Laughton, but he's not figure skating, either.

One difference, forwards lead the team in hits, not defensemen like past seasons. He wants the hits to come on the forecheck, not chasing them in the D-zone, where you can show yourself to be a "manly man" by winning board battles and getting the puck out of the zone.

I really have no idea how you dream any of this up. Allison is the same now as he was. I would never have called Allison's game "cute."

I never said Tippett is a finesse forward. I said he doesn't rely on size to make things happen. Because he doesn't. He can be physical. It's not his go-to move. Certainly not in the way Allison plays.

 

[Perratrooper]

So in the hypothetical world where Hart gets shipped out, would Flyers fans consider.

To Col:
Hart
Hayes ($2m retained)

To Phi:
2024 first
Newhook
Georigev
Ranta

 

[Beef Invictus]

So in the hypothetical world where Hart gets shipped out, would Flyers fans consider.

To Col:
Hart
Hayes ($2m retained)

To Phi:
2024 first
Newhook
Georigev
Ranta

That's vastly better than Fletcher would ever get. I'd love that.

With Fletcher as our GM you guys could just offer up a 2025 2nd and Newhook.

 

[Magua]

The Flyers have to drink Pepto Bismol to alleviate their tummy ache when they think about trading journeymen.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The Flyers have to drink Pepto Bismol to alleviate their tummy ache when they think about trading journeymen.

Keith Jones was waxing poetic about Seeler last game like he was talking about Larry Robinson.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Keith Jones was waxing poetic about Seeler last game like he was talking about Larry Robinson.

These guys get guidance on how to talk about players so it's a window into how the team views players. They see Seeler as a core piece.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The Flyers have to drink Pepto Bismol to alleviate their tummy ache when they think about trading journeymen.

I heard a rumor that Clarke got this changed this to Alka-Seltzer. None of that soft stuff for him. If you can't take your water fighting back, you weren't meant to be a Flyer.

 

[VladDrag]

These guys get guidance on how to talk about players so it's a window into how the team views players. They see Seeler as a core piece.

On the morning show on 94, whenever they talk about the flyers, which isn’t often, Jonesy will often rip the team one way or another.

I have no doubt he personally knows how bad this team is deep down….Now I am not so sure he’d agree with a total purge of the front office

 

[Beef Invictus]

I heard a rumor that Clarke got this changed this to Alka-Seltzer. None of that soft stuff for him. If you can't take your water fighting back, you weren't meant to be a Flyer.

Clarke is so dumb he probably swallows the tablets and believes the bursting agony is the discomfort leaving.

 

[DancingPanther]

So in the hypothetical world where Hart gets shipped out, would Flyers fans consider.

To Col:
Hart
Hayes ($2m retained)

To Phi:
2024 first
Newhook
Georigev
Ranta

The Hayes contract doesn't matter to me. When that comes off the books, the Flyers would be seeing the fruits of their rebuild labor. I'm not paying to trade that contract.

I trade TK, Sanheim, and Hart for picks on picks on picks and hope for the best

 

[Striiker]

The Hayes contract doesn't matter to me. When that comes off the books, the Flyers would be seeing the fruits of their rebuild labor. I'm not paying to trade that contract.

I trade TK, Sanheim, and Hart for picks on picks on picks and hope for the best

He’ll be dead before that happens.

 

[Perratrooper]

The Hayes contract doesn't matter to me. When that comes off the books, the Flyers would be seeing the fruits of their rebuild labor. I'm not paying to trade that contract.

I trade TK, Sanheim, and Hart for picks on picks on picks and hope for the best

So you’d be willing to eat half on the same return?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Allison plays a cute game?
Do people even watch him play.

 

[Rich Nixon]

So in the hypothetical world where Hart gets shipped out, would Flyers fans consider.

To Col:
Hart
Hayes ($2m retained)

To Phi:
2024 first
Newhook
Georigev
Ranta

I'd probably do that, or ask for a 2nd/3rd or equivalent top to eat more of Kevin's contract (50%). Hayes just being off the team is a win for me, so then I'd be looking at it as those 4 pieces for Hart, and yeah that's appealing. Avs are smarter than that though.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

ASF has been harping lately on the fact that the retention is the same rate for the entire duration of the contract in regards to Hayes. Which leads me to believe teams are asking for a full or close to 50% retention & the Flyers don’t really want to do that as they don’t want all that dead money two to three years from now with the final years of Hayes’ contract.

 

[trostol]

ASF has been harping lately on the fact that the retention is the same rate for the entire duration of the contract in regards to Hayes. Which leads me to believe teams are asking for a full or close to 50% retention & the Flyers don’t really want to do that.

they need to just bite the bullet and just