2022/23 Roster Thread XVIII: The bats have left the bell tower

[Hollywood Cannon]

Lol@ Bellows.
Taking 3 goalies on the road trip is probably a good idea. Once it’s over banish Sandstrom to the AHL.

I dunno, still gotta showcase him for a trade.

 

[Striiker]

It’s definitely a revolving door. Nobody said anyone new gets on or off.

It’s just the same couple of guys going in circles, round and round and round, doing absolutely nothing of value.

 

[deadhead]

Probably due to the fact the Phantoms play Tuesday and Wednesday nights, and Flyers are on the road Thursday.
So to have an extra forward available on the road trip they needed to bring Bellows up today.

If you're gonna "yo-yo" a prospect, Bellows is a better choice than Foerster or Desnoyers.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Wouldn't mind getting a live look at Ersson on Saturday in Vancouver.

Decided this wasn't the year to catch the Flyers in Seattle. Don't think I could stand watching Hakstol vs the 2022/23 Flyers in person.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

incoming Hart trade for a 3rd rounder

lukiest thing to happen to Hart..

 

[VladDrag]

Probably due to the fact the Phantoms play Tuesday and Wednesday nights, and Flyers are on the road Thursday.
So to have an extra forward available on the road trip they needed to bring Bellows up today.

If you're gonna "yo-yo" a prospect, Bellows is a better choice than Foerster or Desnoyers.

You're right. It's probably not good for a prospect to be going up and down and not establish consistency, so we agree there.

But, why not just keep them up for an extended period of time? I would much rather see a 4th line of Lycksell-Brown-Foerster. Get them used to the NHL speed. They are not making the playoffs, it is a lost season. You may as well see what you got in the younger players.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You're right. It's probably not good for a prospect to be going up and down and not establish consistency, so we agree there.

But, why not just keep them up for an extended period of time? I would much rather see a 4th line of Lycksell-Brown-Foerster. Get them used to the NHL speed. They are not making the playoffs, it is a lost season. You may as well see what you got in the younger players.

Fletcher doesn't want that, therefore it must be justified by assuming that the yoyo is the only option

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Probably due to the fact the Phantoms play Tuesday and Wednesday nights, and Flyers are on the road Thursday.
So to have an extra forward available on the road trip they needed to bring Bellows up today.

If you're gonna "yo-yo" a prospect, Bellows is a better choice than Foerster or Desnoyers.

Bellows is not a prospect. The term entails potential, something he does not possess in the slightest.

 

[ponder719]

Bellows is not a prospect. The term entails potential, something he does not possess in the slightest.

It's Pennsylvania in the middle of winter. With the amount of static around, all players have potential.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's Pennsylvania in the middle of winter. With the amount of static around, all players have potential.

This is a deep joke

 

[macleish1974]

This is a deep joke

 

[deadhead]

You're right. It's probably not good for a prospect to be going up and down and not establish consistency, so we agree there.

But, why not just keep them up for an extended period of time? I would much rather see a 4th line of Lycksell-Brown-Foerster. Get them used to the NHL speed. They are not making the playoffs, it is a lost season. You may as well see what you got in the younger players.

Because they play close to 20 minutes a night in the AHL, and can play on PP1 there.

There is simply no reason to rush them, I'm hoping LHV makes the playoffs and makes a run, which would give them even better experience, as well as provide an opportunity for Andrae (slated to come over after the SHL season since his team will miss the playoffs), and maybe Gauthier.

I mean could they make the Flyers better? Maybe marginally, but is that what you want this season?
Same reason to send Ersson back down after this road trip, let him be the "man" in LHV and get lots of PT to prepare him for next season. Better than having him steal a few meaningless games in the NHL, in between sitting for a week at a time.

Rebuilding isn't about playing as many prospects as possible as soon as possible, it's about taking a long-term view toward team building, and that means playing scrubs instead of rushing prospects. Frost would have been better served spending his first post-CHL season in the AHL than going up and down and getting shuffled around b/c he wasn't physically or mentally ready for the NHL.

The two players I think are closest to NHL ready are probably Brink, once he gets his legs back, and Desnoyers, because his game is suited to a 4th line role (was a defensive specialist before he broke out in the CHL, and started in a similar role this year at LHV).

Lycksell seems a "Tweener" right now, so I see no reason to rush him, he's not an energy line guy and he doesn't seem to have the offense to play in the top 9 right now.
Foerster is improving, but I'd like to see him spend the summer with a skating coach and add a stride and better edge work.
Desnoyers needs to get stronger given his style of play.
Wisdom needs another season in the AHL.
Brink is only 21, 3 years of college but only 84 games (2 seasons worth), but his skill set would work well with Cates or Laughton.

 

[Curufinwe]

But, why not just keep them up for an extended period of time? I would much rather see a 4th line of Lycksell-Brown-Foerster. Get them used to the NHL speed. They are not making the playoffs, it is a lost season. You may as well see what you got in the younger players.

Sorry, but the main goal of Flyers management is to ensure Nic Deslauriers plays in all 328 games over the course of his four year contract. That way Fletcher can claim he got good value for the $1,750,000 annual cost.

Developing prospects is much further down their priority list.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Because they play close to 20 minutes a night in the AHL, and can play on PP1 there.

There is simply no reason to rush them, I'm hoping LHV makes the playoffs and makes a run, which would give them even better experience, as well as provide an opportunity for Andrae (slated to come over after the SHL season since his team will miss the playoffs), and maybe Gauthier.

I mean could they make the Flyers better? Maybe marginally, but is that what you want this season?
Same reason to send Ersson back down after this road trip, let him be the "man" in LHV and get lots of PT to prepare him for next season. Better than having him steal a few meaningless games in the NHL, in between sitting for a week at a time.

Rebuilding isn't about playing as many prospects as possible as soon as possible, it's about taking a long-term view toward team building, and that means playing scrubs instead of rushing prospects. Frost would have been better served spending his first post-CHL season in the AHL than going up and down and getting shuffled around b/c he wasn't physically or mentally ready for the NHL.

The two players I think are closest to NHL ready are probably Brink, once he gets his legs back, and Desnoyers, because his game is suited to a 4th line role (was a defensive specialist before he broke out in the CHL, and started in a similar role this year at LHV).

Lycksell seems a "Tweener" right now, so I see no reason to rush him, he's not an energy line guy and he doesn't seem to have the offense to play in the top 9 right now.
Foerster is improving, but I'd like to see him spend the summer with a skating coach and add a stride and better edge work.
Desnoyers needs to get stronger given his style of play.
Wisdom needs another season in the AHL.
Brink is only 21, 3 years of college but only 84 games (2 seasons worth), but his skill set would work well with Cates or Laughton.

Every single year you propose filling the lineup with youth, and then you insist it will happen because Fletcher has had some epiphany or Torts is in charge or whatever.

And then every year when it never happens, you say "it's best not to rush them."

What?

 

[macleish1974]

Loved my Duncan Imperial as a kid......now they have world yo-yo champions,,,,,,,

here's how to awe your friends.......

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Bellows is not a prospect. The term entails potential, something he does not possess in the slightest.

 

[deadhead]

6 of their top 9 forwards are 25 or under.

Next year Hayes and JVR will be replaced by Couts and Atkinson, who may be the only starters over 30 (I don't think Torts is wedded to Deslauriers), Laughton, Risto 29, TDA 28.

All those guys playing big minutes in LHV will get a shot at winning jobs in TC.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

6 of their top 9 forwards are 25 or under.

Next year Hayes and JVR will be replaced by Couts and Atkinson, who may be the only starters over 30 (I don't think Torts is wedded to Deslauriers), Laughton, Risto 29, TDA 28.

All those guys playing big minutes in LHV will get a shot at winning jobs in TC.

You keep saying this but the only reason that is happening is because Atkinson and Couturier are out. It is not out of a plan but out of necessity. This isn't something that should be celebrated and pointed to as some type of good move by the organization. It's totally disingenuous.

If Atkinson and Couturier were playing, two of the younger players aren't even in the lineup in the NHL because the fourth line is "set" and you'd defend that decision just like you're defending having young players in the AHL now.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

None of their top 9 is under 23 in 2 weeks on a team that needs to rebuild. Arbitrary cutoffs are fun.

 

[deadhead]

None of their top 9 is under 23 in 2 weeks on a team that needs to rebuild. Arbitrary cutoffs are fun.

Even for rebuilding, having players in their mid to late 20s is a good thing, b/c Laughton at 29 with 3 years left on his deal has real trade value, because the cap hit is manageable and you'd get him from 29-31.

Same with Provorov this summer if they want to trade him, two years left at age 27-28 is a valuable asset.

The problem with this team isn't that they're loaded with over 30 veterans, it's that they lack the 2-3 top players who'd push everyone else down to roles where they're better suited.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Even for rebuilding, having players in their mid to late 20s is a good thing, b/c Laughton at 29 with 3 years left on his deal has real trade value, because the cap hit is manageable and you'd get him from 29-31.

Same with Provorov this summer if they want to trade him, two years left at age 27-28 is a valuable asset.

The problem with this team isn't that they're loaded with over 30 veterans, it's that they lack the 2-3 top players who'd push everyone else down to roles where they're better suited.

They're not trading Laughton.

They're also not rebuilding.

 

[VladDrag]

Because they play close to 20 minutes a night in the AHL, and can play on PP1 there.

So, I would first start out by saying, playing in the AHL does not automatically make a player more ready for the NHL. Most non-elite prospects, need significant NHL playing time to get accumulated to NHL speed. Look at Frost, Look at Tippett, Look at Thomspon, Look at Laughton. All of these guys needed time, 100+ games to actually show what they can do. Playing in the AHL doesn't give them NHL speed, it just doesn't.

There is simply no reason to rush them, I'm hoping LHV makes the playoffs and makes a run, which would give them even better experience, as well as provide an opportunity for Andrae (slated to come over after the SHL season since his team will miss the playoffs), and maybe Gauthier.

I mean could they make the Flyers better? Maybe marginally, but is that what you want this season?
Same reason to send Ersson back down after this road trip, let him be the "man" in LHV and get lots of PT to prepare him for next season. Better than having him steal a few meaningless games in the NHL, in between sitting for a week at a time.

Sure, there's no reason to rush them, but there's also no reason not to bring them up if they are showing they have NHL potential. It's not like they are competing right now. Give them time and allow their confidence to grow, see what they can grow into. I think skaters are a bit different than goalies, so I'm not terribly upset if Ersson goes back down, but he's clearly better than Sandstrom. If Sandstrom is in the NHL for the remainder of the season, Hart is going to get worked heavily. Do we really need that for Hart right now in a lost season? That doesn't make that much sense either.

Rebuilding isn't about playing as many prospects as possible as soon as possible, it's about taking a long-term view toward team building, and that means playing scrubs instead of rushing prospects. Frost would have been better served spending his first post-CHL season in the AHL than going up and down and getting shuffled around b/c he wasn't physically or mentally ready for the NHL.

I'm not trying to play as many prospects as possible - I'm trying to see what each player can bring to the table. The long term view does not mean playing scrubs instead of rushing prospects. It's about finding out what you have in your team, and how can you extract the most impact from each individual player. It's a process about future. playing scrubs does nothing to help you project into the future.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Like I've been saying for years. You learn how to play in the NHL by playing in the NHL. Not at a slower speed with far less skill.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Like I've been saying for years. You learn how to play in the NHL by playing in the NHL. Not at a slower speed with far less skill.

Yeah, but if they never play in the NHL it's because they weren't good enough and it is absolutely in no way shape or form an indictment of the franchise's developmental process.

 

[ellja3]

My apologies if this has been posted somewhere already