2022/23 Roster Thread XVII: The Days are Getting Longer

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'll put my faith in anyone who supports a rebuild instead of the "same old, same old."

Colorado missed the playoffs 6 of 7 seasons, their one good season was driven by a hot goaltender and Duchene (#3), Landeskog (#2), ROR, McKinnon (#1).
Varlamov won 41 games with a .927 S% that season.
This was the team that drafted Chris Stewart #18.

You’ll put your faith in anyone that runs the show as we’ve seen with the stances over the years from Hextall, Hakstol, Fletcher, AV, and now Torts and Briere.

What is your point? I fail to see how that shows that the Avalanche were as big of a mess as the Flyers Front Office.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

You know exactly where.

1) His point totals are higher so lazy fans think something drastic changed. They don’t realize he was great last year too, just with horrible luck instead of great luck.

2) weird fans are foaming at the mouth to give their hero Torts credit for literally anything. That’s why they’re pretending TK, Risto, etc are suddenly much better players.

what is your definition of great?

 

[FlyerNutter]

TK is having a nice season, but lets see him produce at this level going up against the best - in the playoffs a few years from now.

Flyers always do this. Think their secondary guys are are better than they are - and the dream goes out in a whisp of smoke when the competition level rises. He's a nice player, having a career year. Sell high.

 

[Rebels57]

The takes around a guy who went from shooting 7.3% to 19.7% this year & is a career 12.5% shooter have gone about expected.

The organization can't pass up the opportunity to leak information that makes it seem like they're doing a good job. It's so hard to come by for them. f***ing losers.

 

[Magua]

With Konecny, it does go a few ways. He's peaked close to this before, but that was with Giroux and Couturier. There's no one's coattails to ride right now.

His shooting % is too high, but he had 3 straight years between 13.2-17% before his last 2 year slump. He regularly snipes goalies clean, so I'm willing to believe somewhere in that range is his true shooting talent. He'd still be point/game on this team shooting 13%. He also only has 5 secondary assists, which is equally unlucky, so perhaps that would offset any shooting dip. He's also been their best PP producer on a dismal PP, where he'd be better slotted as a complimentary guy on a top unit.

I'm certainly not gaga over Torts, but I think it's worth mentioning this is the first coach who outright likes Konecny and doesn't obsess over his flaws. Hakstol was a douche, and he did what he could to rob TK of his confidence. Vigneault, another asshole, was playing mind games by the bubble, thereafter scratching him, etc. This is just a confident, not overthinking player right now.

 

[deadhead]

Torts is supposed to be a defensive minded dinosaur, yet he's been patient with TK, Frost, Tippett and TDA.
What do they have in common? Speed and skill.
As long as they make mistakes of aggression, Torts will make funny faces on the bench but keep playing them.
But stop back checking, skating hard every shift, and you'll be watching from the press box.

I think he has mellowed, but his basic approach is you win with talent and speed, so you live with mistakes as long as those mistakes are learning experiences for young players, that is, you don't want to clip their wings, you just want to keep them from being sloppy, lazy players who put their point totals before the team.

He's done this at every stop, the players who thrive under him are these sorts, whether St Louis or Atkinson.
Question is who do you trust to find him more of these players, and to do so without overpaying?

 

[Magua]

Tortorella has absolutely NOT been patient with TDA.

I said when he was hired that he's not exactly a total dinosaur, even if he likes to act like one. It's the same guy that told Werenski to be a rover. He has a fetish for little buzzsaw forwards -- it's probably that simple. He still admittedly has zero idea how to scheme offense and lets Rocky Thompson f*** that up. But he does let Konecny play his game. Now, if Konecny was his still solid 60 point version......same leeway? I'm skeptical.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Were we even linked to Kuzmenko?

 

[TCTC]

TK is having a nice season, but lets see him produce at this level going up against the best - in the playoffs a few years from now.

Flyers always do this. Think their secondary guys are are better than they are - and the dream goes out in a whisp of smoke when the competition level rises. He's a nice player, having a career year. Sell high.

Yeah, he's having a really good season, but someone has to score on a bad team. He looks more determined than ever, but the main reason TK and Kevin Hayes are having career years is because there aren't many other players to produce.

 

[Magua]

Imagine equating Hayes to Konecny.

#ASG

 

[trostol]

REBUILDING!!!!

Good thing I don't take a shot every time that is said...I'd be dead

 

[deadhead]

Yeah, he's having a really good season, but someone has to score on a bad team. He looks more determined than ever, but the main reason TK and Kevin Hayes are having career years is because there aren't many other players to produce.

That doesn't compute. It's not like they're playing a ridiculous amount of minutes and are scoring b/c of that usage.
I mean it doesn't matter if other players don't produce, you play your shift and either you make plays or you don't.
In fact, it's harder to score on a weak team b/c opponents can focus on shutting you down.

 

[Beef Invictus]

With Konecny, it does go a few ways. He's peaked close to this before, but that was with Giroux and Couturier. There's no one's coattails to ride right now.

His shooting % is too high, but he had 3 straight years between 13.2-17% before his last 2 year slump. He regularly snipes goalies clean, so I'm willing to believe somewhere in that range is his true shooting talent. He'd still be point/game on this team shooting 13%. He also only has 5 secondary assists, which is equally unlucky, so perhaps that would offset any shooting dip. He's also been their best PP producer on a dismal PP, where he'd be better slotted as a complimentary guy on a top unit.

I'm certainly not gaga over Torts, but I think it's worth mentioning this is the first coach who outright likes Konecny and doesn't obsess over his flaws. Hakstol was a douche, and he did what he could to rob TK of his confidence. Vigneault, another asshole, was playing mind games by the bubble, thereafter scratching him, etc. This is just a confident, not overthinking player right now.

Amazing how not jerking players around helps them, especially after I've been assured for years that doesn't matter and the players always deserve it because coaches are professional and beyond question.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts is supposed to be a defensive minded dinosaur, yet he's been patient with TK, Frost, Tippett and TDA.
What do they have in common? Speed and skill.
As long as they make mistakes of aggression, Torts will make funny faces on the bench but keep playing them.
But stop back checking, skating hard every shift, and you'll be watching from the press box.

I think he has mellowed, but his basic approach is you win with talent and speed, so you live with mistakes as long as those mistakes are learning experiences for young players, that is, you don't want to clip their wings, you just want to keep them from being sloppy, lazy players who put their point totals before the team.

He's done this at every stop, the players who thrive under him are these sorts, whether St Louis or Atkinson.
Question is who do you trust to find him more of these players, and to do so without overpaying?

Uh, Tortorella IS a defensive minded dinosaur.

 

[captainpaxil]

Just read an article that had the bottom 6 as
Farabee frost tippet
Cates laughton Allison

Who would be the top 6?

 

[Curufinwe]

Cates hasn't played LW all season.

 

[wasup]

Just read an article that had the bottom 6 as
Farabee frost tippet
Cates laughton Allison

Who would be the top 6?

Couts Atkinson Kony 1st line Frost Tippet Farabee 2nd line and Laughton Allison Cates 3rd line would not be the worst thing I have seen .

 

[ponder719]

Just read an article that had the bottom 6 as
Farabee frost tippet
Cates laughton Allison

Who would be the top 6?

IIRC, the premise of the article was "we'd have a good team if we could add about 4 legitimate top 6 people to TK and JVR and got rid of the crap."

 

[Curufinwe]

If my Fletcher had bollocks he'd be my Sakic.

 

[Striiker]

such a shameless shill

nOt SoLd oN fRoSt bUt tHaT CaTeS GuY iS LeGiT!!!

 

[Starat327]

such a shameless shill

nOt SoLd oN fRoSt bUt tHaT CaTeS GuY iS LeGiT!!!

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[Hollywood Cannon]

Don’t you need to have offensive ability to be a “strong two-way forward?”

Or is that just like being called an innings eater?

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers are confirming with Cates that we we deduced is true: their idea of the ideal hockey prospect is all defense, no offense.

 

[Rebels57]

Don’t you need to have offensive ability to be a “strong two-way forward?”

Or is that just like being called an innings eater?

Torts loves Cates so Charlie loves Cates.

Torts isnt sold on Frost so Charlie isnt sold on Frost.

All of the writers are connected to Torts ass by one of those Dentist Nitrous Oxide style carts and spend all day inhaling his flatulence.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Torts loves Cates so Charlie loves Cates.

Torts isnt sold on Frost so Charlie isnt sold on Frost.

All of the writers are connected to Torts ass by one of those Dentist Nitrous Oxide style carts and spend all day inhaling his flatulence.

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This is a good way for all the beats to get pink eye. Mask doesn’t fit well.