2022/23 Roster Thread XVII: The Days are Getting Longer

[Hollywood Cannon]

Make Nike the official jersey for the league too. Bring back Nike sticks, skates, helmets, etc.

I love me some Nike but keep them far away from the NHL. Their hockey jerseys are dog shit quality when it comes to international hockey. They feel like trash bags.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

At 5on5 Risto concedes 0.8 of a goal more per hour than Braun does. At ES the gap is a staggering 0.98.

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Worst contract in the league.

Nah man. Check Twitter. TORTS has fixed him. He's a regular Cernak now

 

[deadhead]

It's going to be interesting how some in the FO are going to try and sell that they can be competitive, when the HC responsible for the turnaround insists they're years away and need to rebuild.

Talk about cognitive dissonance!

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

It's going to be interesting how some in the FO are going to try and sell that they can be competitive, when the HC responsible for the turnaround insists they're years away and need to rebuild.

Talk about cognitive dissonance!

Right! Are you team HC or team FO today? Just curious for the books

 

[deadhead]

Right! Are you team HC or team FO today? Just curious for the books

I"m team Torts/Briere v Fletcher and the Advisors.
Why Scott even has a job is beyond me. It's like, "I've been feed a steady diet of BS for 3 years, but I can't decide if these guys are full of shit."

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I"m team Torts/Briere v Fletcher and the Advisors.
Why Scott even has a job is beyond me. It's like, "I've been feed a steady diet of BS for 3 years, but I can't decide if these guys are full of shit."

So, on the record with team HIVE? Upper management has to go?

 

[Beef Invictus]

There is no reason yet to assume Briere is any better.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It's going to be interesting how some in the FO are going to try and sell that they can be competitive, when the HC responsible for the turnaround insists they're years away and need to rebuild.

Talk about cognitive dissonance!

This is all rampant conjecture.

Fact is, we don't know what Fletcher and his "advisors" think and/or are saying behind the scenes.

All we know is that Dave Scott/ownership wanted to compete NOW, from the moment Chuck was hired.

Torts may have been the extra voice needed to convince Scott and ownership that this wasn't a quick-fix.

It wasn't long ago that people were saying Chuck's "advisors," particularly Lombardi, were pushing Chuck to hire Torts against his will. Now people are saying Chuck is lockstep with his "advisors" and there's a rift between management and Torts. It all sounds like made up BS. Chuck has said since last January that they need to add talent through the draft, and said repeatedly that this season would be a "see what we have" assessment year, but you're trying to act like Chuck has some kind of philosophical disagreement with Torts? Please. So much of this is a fairy tale.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This is all rampant conjecture.

Fact is, we don't know what Fletcher and his "advisors" think and/or are saying behind the scenes.

All we know is that Dave Scott/ownership wanted to compete NOW, from the moment Chuck was hired.

Torts may have been the extra voice needed to convince Scott and ownership that this wasn't a quick-fix.

It wasn't long ago that people were saying Chuck's "advisors," particularly Lombardi, were pushing Chuck to hire Torts against his will. Now people are saying Chuck is lockstep with his "advisors" and there's a rift between management and Torts. It all sounds like made up BS. Chuck has said since last January that they need to add talent through the draft, and said repeatedly that this season would be a "see what we have" assessment year, but you're trying to act like Chuck has some kind of philosophical disagreement with Torts? Please. So much of this is a fairy tale.

I remember when you said if the team was in this exact scenario come December you'd agree it's time for Chuck to be fired.

You're still defending him from the looks of it though.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What turnaround has happened? They were a bad team that at best was middling with a few hot streaks here and there. They’re still a bad team that at best is middling with a few hot streaks here and there.

Nothing has changed. This “they’re playing the right way” crap is made up narrative to make people feel good.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So, on the record with team HIVE? Upper management has to go?

He “always” has been but then goes on rants defending people like Chuck, AV, and others despite “not defending or absolving anyone.”

It’s a bit convoluted.

 

[Curufinwe]

Nah man. Check Twitter. TORTS has fixed him. He's a regular Cernak now

It's hilarious that there's a twitter narrative out there now that yeah, Risto can't score points anymore, but at least he's good defensively, when the Flyers have two different veteran dmen making $1m or less with better defensive results in similar minutes.

If Ristolainen retired today and went back to Finland, the Flyers could plug Braun back in as the the third pairing RHD and immediately be a better team. But because of the massive contract Fletcher gave him, they have to play him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What turnaround has happened? They were a bad team that at best was middling with a few hot streaks here and there. They’re still a bad team that at best is middling with a few hot streaks here and there.

Nothing has changed. This “they’re playing the right way” crap is made up narrative to make people feel good.

Imagine thinking Fletcher, since last year, recognizes the team needs to rebuild and sustaining that belief while he continues to do the exact opposite. What dissonance.

Probably also still thinks Thompson is a genius because he said neat things once, and that matters more than actual actions or results apparently.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's hilarious that there's a twitter narrative out there now that yeah, Risto can't score points anymore, but at least he's good defensively when the Flyers have two different veteran dmen making $1m or less with much better defensive results in similar minutes.

If Ristolainen retired today and went back to Finland, the Flyers could plug Braun back in as the the third pairing RHD and immediately be a better team. But because of the massive contract Fletcher gave him, they have to play him.

He plays close to 18 minutes a night. That's 18 minutes every game where his presence puts the team at a massive disadvantage.

If there's a situation where Risto and Deslauriers play completely separately from each other, that's 28 minutes of the game where offense isn't likely.

They're voids. It's ridiculous the team has several voids of this magnitude, and they do it every single year. But somehow people still defend Fletcher and his work.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

It's going to be interesting how some in the FO are going to try and sell that they can be competitive, when the HC responsible for the turnaround insists they're years away and need to rebuild.

Talk about cognitive dissonance!

where has he said years away? Dont recall that at all.

Has he flat out said they need to rebuild or the passive/aggressive innuendos.

 

[Curufinwe]

If you see management suck-ups trying to tell you that Ristolainen only being -6 playing sheltered minutes on the third pairing means that he has been fixed or is better than he used to be, remember that just a few years ago in Buffalo Risto was only -2 on the league's 25th best team/22nd best defense. But he also scored 33 points in 69 games, with 23 of them at ES, and he averaged 22:48 per game as their #1 dman.

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[deadhead]

Risto had a horrid start to the season.
But since he returned to the lineup, 15:46 at 5x5, GF/GA 19/23, xGF 51.31%, xGFrel +4.59.
To put that in perspective, over the same stretch for Sanheim,17:28, GF/GA 24/25, xGF 47.90%, xGFrel -0.15
Now Risto gets more sheltered minutes, but hey, Sanheim makes a million more a year.

So yeah, I think Shaw has done a fine job getting the most out of Risto.
He's not pretty, and he's not a top 4 D-man on a good team, but he's not a black hole either.

Now Deslauriers has gone steadily downhill, and probably should be benched at this point.

I might make the case that York is now our best D-man - last 18 games since JVR returned and York became a starter:
Provorov 18:16 GF/GA 10/17 xGF 48.90% xGFrel +0.60
Sanheim 17:37 GF/GA 14/11 xGF 45.91% xGFrel -4.35
TDA 16:52 GF/GA 10/8 xGF 41.56% xGFrel -9.27
York 16:19 GA/GA 16/10 xGF 53.34% xGFrel +6.84
Risto 15:37 GF/GA 10/16 xGF 52.00% xGFrel +4.86
Seeler 13:14 GF/GA 6/12 xGF 51.74% xGFrel +3.95
Braun 12:36 GF/GA 5/4 xGF 49.29% xGFrel +1.18

 

[dats81]

There is no reason yet to assume Briere is any better.

But can anyone be worse at negotiating contracts or trades?
And I have strong feeling that Briere is good at assessing individual players' potential and actual NHL talent.

Of course, they should hire the best person available for the job but we all know that they are unlikely to break out of the circle of known ex-players and executives. Out of that group Briere might be the tallest midget

 

[deadhead]

Briere has about as much experience as Sakic did when he took over in Colorado.
Fletcher had far more experience than both of them combined when Holmgren/Clarke hired him.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

He “always” has been but then goes on rants defending people like Chuck, AV, and others despite “not defending or absolving anyone.”

It’s a bit convoluted.

"I suspect" when you talk in circles, you always come back around, eh?

It's hilarious that there's a twitter narrative out there now that yeah, Risto can't score points anymore, but at least he's good defensively, when the Flyers have two different veteran dmen making $1m or less with better defensive results in similar minutes.

If Ristolainen retired today and went back to Finland, the Flyers could plug Braun back in as the the third pairing RHD and immediately be a better team. But because of the massive contract Fletcher gave him, they have to play him.

Not an overpay though. Just the wrong guy.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Risto had a horrid start to the season.
But since he returned to the lineup, 15:46 at 5x5, GF/GA 19/23, xGF 51.31%, xGFrel +4.59.
To put that in perspective, over the same stretch for Sanheim,17:28, GF/GA 24/25, xGF 47.90%, xGFrel -0.15
Now Risto gets more sheltered minutes, but hey, Sanheim makes a million more a year.

So yeah, I think Shaw has done a fine job getting the most out of Risto.
He's not pretty, and he's not a top 4 D-man on a good team, but he's not a black hole either.

Now Deslauriers has gone steadily downhill, and probably should be benched at this point.

I might make the case that York is now our best D-man - last 18 games since JVR returned and York became a starter:
Provorov 18:16 GF/GA 10/17 xGF 48.90% xGFrel +0.60
Sanheim 17:37 GF/GA 14/11 xGF 45.91% xGFrel -4.35
TDA 16:52 GF/GA 10/8 xGF 41.56% xGFrel -9.27
York 16:19 GA/GA 16/10 xGF 53.34% xGFrel +6.84
Risto 15:37 GF/GA 10/16 xGF 52.00% xGFrel +4.86
Seeler 13:14 GF/GA 6/12 xGF 51.74% xGFrel +3.95
Braun 12:36 GF/GA 5/4 xGF 49.29% xGFrel +1.18

Don't bother. Most on this board are incapable of acknowledging that.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Briere has about as much experience as Sakic did when he took over in Colorado.
Fletcher had far more experience than both of them combined when Holmgren/Clarke hired him.

Joe Sakic wasn't hand picked by the cabal of morons that you believe should be sent to the moon and yet you think Briere is going to be some wunderkind despite that fact.

That takes some real mental gymnastics.

 

[renberg]

There is no reason yet to assume Briere is any better.

Check Gina Hahn's article on yesterday's Inky on the resurgence of TK. Briere and the analytics department worked together to help show TK ways to change his game on the ice and improve. Not all of the FO is braindead.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

If you see management suck-ups trying to tell you that Ristolainen only being -6 playing sheltered minutes on the third pairing means that he has been fixed or is better than he used to be, remember that just a few years ago in Buffalo Risto was only -2 on the league's 25th best team/22nd best defense. But he also scored 33 points in 69 games, with 23 of them at ES, and he averaged 22:48 per game as their #1 dman.

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I saw that online too

 

[FLYguy3911]

If Briere can show every player how to shoot 20%, I like his chances.