2022/23 Roster Thread XVI: Suite 16, Room for Improvement

[Chicken N Raffls]

It’s so dumb. Just put him on the 4th line while you ‘showcase’ JvR. Then he’ll have 15 games at NHL speed prior to moving into a top 9 role (whatever the hell that means anyways). And what he needs is time to adjust to NHL speed.

Our team makes things harder than they need to be on the ice, and make all the lazy, easy plays in the front office. This is in the name of building "character" for players, and "Identity" as a team. Sack up, Be a f***ing Flyer, and blah, blah, blah. It's so old.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It’s so dumb. Just put him on the 4th line while you ‘showcase’ JvR. Then he’ll have 15 games at NHL speed prior to moving into a top 9 role (whatever the hell that means anyways). And what he needs is time to adjust to NHL speed.

This team seems convinced you don't need to play in the NHL to learn how to play in the NHL. So you don't get it in five games? Back to the AHL you go.

 

[trostol]

rebuildin!!!!!

org cant afford the G

 

[deadhead]

They're playing TK (25), Farabee (22), Frost (23), Tippett (23), Cates (23) top six minutes, Allison (25) 3rd line.
You gonna sit JVR, Hayes or Laughton?
Lycksell is not going to develop playing in a 4th line role with Brown at center.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Lycksell is not going to develop playing in a 4th line role with Brown at center.

Sure he will.

If he were in a team with an ounce of developmental sense that would realize his situation and account for it rather than punishing him for it.

So what is this, Brown is blocking both his wings to youth by merely existing? Weird. You told us that wouldn't happen. Now you tell us it must. Very weird.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Sure he will.

If he were in a team with an ounce of developmental sense that would realize his situation and account for it rather than punishing him for it.

So what is this, Brown is blocking both his wings to youth by merely existing? Weird. You told us that wouldn't happen. Now you tell us it must. Very weird.

@Hollywood Cannon it's a revolving something

 

[captainpaxil]

They're playing TK (25), Farabee (22), Frost (23), Tippett (23), Cates (23) top six minutes, Allison (25) 3rd line.
You gonna sit JVR, Hayes or Laughton?
Lycksell is not going to develop playing in a 4th line role with Brown at center.

Ten games with brown and he'll be out skating Allison. We're not exactly loaded with burners. It's about learning to process at speed and play at pace which is about willingness and effort plus opportunity. Sometimes a guy gets shellshocked and needs to get readjusted in the ahl othere can grind mentally until they catch up. But brown isn't and shouldn't be the reason anybody doesn't play. It's on them

 

[VladDrag]

They're playing TK (25), Farabee (22), Frost (23), Tippett (23), Cates (23) top six minutes, Allison (25) 3rd line.
You gonna sit JVR, Hayes or Laughton?
Lycksell is not going to develop playing in a 4th line role with Brown at center.

But Frost would develop with ND and MacEwen as his linemates?

And before you go after it, Frost and Lycksell are in different points of their developmental arc. Frost needed to start (and continue to) produce offense at the NHL. HE was never going to do that with that slop as his wingers

Whereas Lycksell, he just needs to spend time in the NHL, getting used to NHL speeds. He needs like 15 games before you can even begin real evaluations. Just place him on a line, give him 10 minutes a night and let him go. This whole idea of roles is so antiquated.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Because the first three lines are set, both Lycksell (23) and Bellows (24) are better served playing big minutes in LHV than on the 4th line in Philly. Bellows actually had good metrics in Philly, just couldn't score to save his life (pressing?).

Who do you sit on the first three lines? JVR is being showcased, Hayes needs to build his value for a summer deal, same with Laughton, you gonna sit Allison? The 4th line generally plays 8 minutes a night, do you want to stick Lycksell with Brown and MacEwen?

At the TDL, JVR is a good bet to be moved, maybe Laughton, a couple others.
Hayes will probably wait for summer, same with Provorov due to cap implications.

There's no rush, if the Phantoms make the playoffs you might keep them there to play major roles in an AHL playoff than play out the string in Philly.

Come one man. Laughton bleeds orange and black. They wont move him.

What can Hayes do to build his value? He is 40-50 point player with positives and negatives. His value, whatever it is, is set.

 

[deadhead]

Hayes is coming of two injury filled seasons, staying healthy and producing will increase his value.

Lycksell is playing on the 1st line in LHV, getting a lot more minutes than he would in Philly.
When JVR is traded, he can step right into a top 9 LW role.

The guy who'd fit right in on a 4th line role would be Desnoyers, who did that in junior before moving up the food chain and is fundamentally sound, and I'd also put him on the PK. But there's no rush with him. Same with Wisdom.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Hayes is coming of two injury filled seasons, staying healthy and producing will increase his value.

Lycksell is playing on the 1st line in LHV, getting a lot more minutes than he would in Philly.
When JVR is traded, he can step right into a top 9 LW role.

The guy who'd fit right in on a 4th line role would be Desnoyers, who did that in junior before moving up the food chain and is fundamentally sound, and I'd also put him on the PK. But there's no rush with him. Same with Wisdom.

JVR won’t be traded. This team is playoff bound, remember? This is Cuck’s year.

 

[Curufinwe]

Nothing is a real problem according to you and yet here we are fresh off of this franchise having the worst record in the entire league in the year 2022.

Great success. Much praise.

Flyers since Fletcher became GM on 12/3/2018: .498 (22nd)

Flyers since Fletcher revamped the roster in summer 2021: .400 (29th)

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Hayes is coming of two injury filled seasons, staying healthy and producing will increase his value.

Lycksell is playing on the 1st line in LHV, getting a lot more minutes than he would in Philly.
When JVR is traded, he can step right into a top 9 LW role.

The guy who'd fit right in on a 4th line role would be Desnoyers, who did that in junior before moving up the food chain and is fundamentally sound, and I'd also put him on the PK. But there's no rush with him. Same with Wisdom.

His value is set. Every team knows what Hayes will and will not give you.

But Frost would develop with ND and MacEwen as his linemates?

And before you go after it, Frost and Lycksell are in different points of their developmental arc. Frost needed to start (and continue to) produce offense at the NHL. HE was never going to do that with that slop as his wingers

Whereas Lycksell, he just needs to spend time in the NHL, getting used to NHL speeds. He needs like 15 games before you can even begin real evaluations. Just place him on a line, give him 10 minutes a night and let him go. This whole idea of roles is so antiquated.

If Tanner were healthy roll with a Ollie tanner and Bellows? 4th line. Would have no issue with that. Seeing the slugs on that 4th line is what the issue is at this time. They offer nothing of note.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

No rush. No problems. "What, me worry?"

-Every Deady post ever

But we don’t watch the games…. He does.

And don’t you forget that.

 

[Curufinwe]

This list could be a hundred names long, but here are two random RHD having better seasons than Ristolainen who make far less money than he does:

Radko Gudas: 29 GP, 6 P, +4, ES GF% Rel +1.71, 18:31 TOI/GP, $2,500,000 cap hit

Luke Schenn: 37 GP, 10 P, +4, ES GF% Rel +6.8, 17:25 TOI/GP, $900,000 cap hit

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

@Captain Dave Poulin

 

[landsbergfan]

Sandstrom the clear #3 but that was kind of expected at this point

 

[Curufinwe]

Sandstrom the clear #3 but that was kind of expected at this point

But still signed to an NHL contract for another season.

 

[deadhead]

His value is set. Every team knows what Hayes will and will not give you.


If Tanner were healthy roll with a Ollie tanner and Bellows? 4th line. Would have no issue with that. Seeing the slugs on that 4th line is what the issue is at this time. They offer nothing of note.

I thought we wanted to finish in the bottom five? You trying to sabotage the tank?

Reason I focus on ES scoring in the AHL?
Look at Anisimov 15g 6-1 7 ES, 4-4 8 PP, or O'Reilly 30g 2-4 6 ES, 1-6 7 PP
Guys who don't have NHL legs can rack up points on AHL PPs but are exposed at ES.

So I like to see young players score at a better than 0.5 ppg at ES when there are no better metrics available.
Foerster 30g 4-5 9
Desnoyers 30g 7-6 13 [2 SH goals]
Lycksell 19g 2-8 10 -5
Wisdom 26g 1-5 6
Ratcliffe 20g 2-1 3

Attard 30g 3-5 8
Ginning 28g 1-9 10 +13
Wylie 20g 1-3 4
Zamula 12g 0-0 0 -7
Hogberg 16g 1-2 3

 

[blackjackmulligan]

This list could be a hundred names long, but here are two random RHD having better seasons than Ristolainen who make far less money than he does:

Radko Gudas: 29 GP, 6 P, +4, ES GF% Rel +1.71, 18:31 TOI/GP, $2,500,000 cap hit

Luke Schenn: 37 GP, 10 P, +4, ES GF% Rel +6.8, 17:25 TOI/GP, $900,000 cap hit

Good to know. Thanks for the info.

 

[deadhead]

This list could be a hundred names long, but here are two random RHD having better seasons than Ristolainen who make far less money than he does:

Radko Gudas: 29 GP, 6 P, +4, ES GF% Rel +1.71, 18:31 TOI/GP, $2,500,000 cap hit

Luke Schenn: 37 GP, 10 P, +4, ES GF% Rel +6.8, 17:25 TOI/GP, $900,000 cap hit

You know GF is just a fancy name for +/- ?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I thought we wanted to finish in the bottom five? You trying to sabotage the tank?

Reason I focus on ES scoring in the AHL?
Look at Anisimov 15g 6-1 7 ES, 4-4 8 PP, or O'Reilly 30g 2-4 6 ES, 1-6 7 PP
Guys who don't have NHL legs can rack up points on AHL PPs but are exposed at ES.

So I like to see young players score at a better than 0.5 ppg at ES when there are no better metrics available.
Foerster 30g 4-5 9
Desnoyers 30g 7-6 13 [2 SH goals]
Lycksell 19g 2-8 10 -5
Wisdom 26g 1-5 6
Ratcliffe 20g 2-1 3

Attard 30g 3-5 8
Ginning 28g 1-9 10 +13
Wylie 20g 1-3 4
Zamula 12g 0-0 0 -7
Hogberg 16g 1-2 3

They are doing everything on their power not to finish bottom 5. Torts wants wins. Nothing but wins.

Are you suggesting that new prosed 4th line would really "derail" a bottom 5 finish?

 

[deadhead]

@Captain Dave Poulin

They need to get Sandstrom back in the net and Ersson playing for LHV.

Sandstrom has to play enough to showcase him for a trade, young goalies always have some value if they can flash for a few games, and that would clear the spot for Ersson to back up Hart next year and limit his starts.

Right now I'd rather see Ersson play big minutes in LHV, he's missed time due to injury (only played 5 games last season) and playing once a week or less won't speed his development.

 

[landsbergfan]

But still signed to an NHL contract for another season.

that will be nice for the team that claims him

 

[Ghosts Beer]

They need to get Sandstrom back in the net and Ersson playing for LHV.

Sandstrom has to play enough to showcase him for a trade, young goalies always have some value if they can flash for a few games, and that would clear the spot for Ersson to back up Hart next year and limit his starts.

Right now I'd rather see Ersson play big minutes in LHV, he's missed time due to injury (only played 5 games last season) and playing once a week or less won't speed his development.

If Ersson is the better NHL goaltender, & I think he is, then I’m not playing Felix Sandstrom over him just to try to garner a late-round draft pick.