2022/23 Roster Thread XV: Where Optional Skates are Mandatory

[Beef Invictus]

I'd point out that Matt Carle is on the list of players with the longest time before scoring a point, and he wasn't exactly a defensive specialist. Some puck luck involved.


I'll take York over Ghost any day of the week for a team that is rebuilding, York has a higher IQ and is 21.

They're not rebuilding.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'd like to point out that Matt Carle was on the list at age 31, in his last full season in the NHL (6 games the following season). He was cooked, ready to get tossed out of the league. Ristolainen is 28 years old, in year 1 of his new $25 million contract, acquired for the small price of a 14th overall, 36th overall, and likely another mid-30s pick. And we have a year and a half of being told he's really an offensive defenseman. Hell, Matt Carle at Risto's age was still a 30-40 point guy.

No shit there's puck luck involved. He'll probably get a handful eventually. But it is morbidly hilarious and a further acknowledgment he's a non-contributor in every way.

Carle had also become insanely easy to defend. The whole league knew how to handle him. Cover passing lanes, and that's it. Game over. No threat. His shot has to rank somewhere near all-time worst. Hartnell passed harder.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Carle had also become insanely easy to defend. The whole league knew how to handle him. Cover passing lanes, and that's it. Game over. No threat. His shot has to rank somewhere near all-time worst. Hartnell passed harder.

i remember opposing teams would devour Carles side of the ice on rushs...

easy peasey...

 

[GapToothedWonder]

This has been just a rough past 10 years. Andrew MacDonald, VLC, Hakstol, AV, Risto, Kevin Hayes....

This club loves giving out fat paychecks to 2nd rate players.

It's how they operated for like 15+ years before the salary cap came into effect. It's just baked into their DNA, it's an organizational philosophy.

 

[BernieParent]

It's how they operated for like 15+ years before the salary cap came into effect. It's just baked into their DNA, it's an organizational philosophy.

It's not a blue screen of death, it's a feature!

 

[deadhead]

We'll see, I still think Torts will be "last man standing."
Fletcher is dead GM talking, Scott is going to be pushed into retirement.
Torts was making nice about Briere, which suggests to me they've already been talking about what they want to do.

Hayes - on his way out, probably this summer with money retained
Provorov - I think he'll be trade bait this summer, they want York on the left side
Deslauriers - 12th in minutes, will be out after his 2nd season, one way or another, may be #13 forward next year
Risto - trying to build up his value, may take a couple years to move him (with 3 years left, retain $2M a year)
Seeler and Braun are now alternating as #6, both may be gone at the TDL
JVR - building up his trade value for a TDL deal
MacEwen - back on the 4th line, will listen to any offer
Brown, Bellows, Willman, Ratcliffe, Belpedio - walks after this season

The only veterans on next year's team may be Couts (31), Atkinson (34), Laughton (29), Risto (29), TDA (28).

 

[renberg]

We'll see, I still think Torts will be "last man standing."
Fletcher is dead GM talking, Scott is going to be pushed into retirement.
Torts was making nice about Briere, which suggests to me they've already been talking about what they want to do.

Hayes - on his way out, probably this summer with money retained
Provorov - I think he'll be trade bait this summer, they want York on the left side
Deslauriers - 12th in minutes, will be out after his 2nd season, one way or another, may be #13 forward next year
Risto - trying to build up his value, may take a couple years to move him (with 3 years left, retain $2M a year)
Seeler and Braun are now alternating as #6, both may be gone at the TDL
JVR - building up his trade value for a TDL deal
MacEwen - back on the 4th line, will listen to any offer
Brown, Bellows, Willman, Ratcliffe, Belpedio - walks after this season

The only veterans on next year's team may be Couts (31), Atkinson (34), Laughton (29), Risto (29), TDA (28).

If management does do a heavy makeover with Fletcher, Flahr, and Scott being ousted, the cuts that the new regime could/should make need to go deeper.
Guys such as Hayes, Risto, TDA, Deslauriers, MacEwen, Seeler, Braun, Deslauriers. Brown and the like need new addresses. After the TDL, the better prospects at LV need to be up in Philly to get NHL experience-Brink, Foerster, Lycksell, Deslauriers, Laczynski, Zamula, Attard and possibly Hogberg along with Andrae after his season in Sweden ends. Let the young guys get a taste of it. There's no reason to keep the plugs around.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We'll see, I still think Torts will be "last man standing."
Fletcher is dead GM talking, Scott is going to be pushed into retirement.
Torts was making nice about Briere, which suggests to me they've already been talking about what they want to do.

Hayes - on his way out, probably this summer with money retained
Provorov - I think he'll be trade bait this summer, they want York on the left side
Deslauriers - 12th in minutes, will be out after his 2nd season, one way or another, may be #13 forward next year
Risto - trying to build up his value, may take a couple years to move him (with 3 years left, retain $2M a year)
Seeler and Braun are now alternating as #6, both may be gone at the TDL
JVR - building up his trade value for a TDL deal
MacEwen - back on the 4th line, will listen to any offer
Brown, Bellows, Willman, Ratcliffe, Belpedio - walks after this season

The only veterans on next year's team may be Couts (31), Atkinson (34), Laughton (29), Risto (29), TDA (28).

If Briere is GM nothing changes.

 

[FlyerNutter]

If Briere is GM nothing changes.

Except Torts gets even more power.

 

[Flyer lurker]

They're not rebuilding.

I would take Caufield and Ghost and picks over York and Risto for a rebuilding or non rebuilding team.

 

[deadhead]

Except Torts gets even more power.

Which is good. I think Torts prefers to build from within, it's the GMs who overreact when he turns a team around and go for the quick fix. So if Torts has more power, they're less likely to pursue expensive "name" free agents and more likely to add young players with upside that have struggled on other teams. And to build through the draft.

My biggest fear would be for Couts and Atkinson to return at 100% next year, and the FO to decide the "reload" is over and try to add another "name" veteran to get back into the playoffs.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Which is good. I think Torts prefers to build from within, it's the GMs who overreact when he turns a team around and go for the quick fix. So if Torts has more power, they're less likely to pursue expensive "name" free agents and more likely to add young players with upside that have struggled on other teams. And to build through the draft.

My biggest fear would be for Couts and Atkinson to return at 100% next year, and the FO to decide the "reload" is over and try to add another "name" veteran to get back into the playoffs.

Based on what exactly? Their waiver claims? Their trades?

 

[deadhead]

If management does do a heavy makeover with Fletcher, Flahr, and Scott being ousted, the cuts that the new regime could/should make need to go deeper.
Guys such as Hayes, Risto, TDA, Deslauriers, MacEwen, Seeler, Braun, Deslauriers. Brown and the like need new addresses. After the TDL, the better prospects at LV need to be up in Philly to get NHL experience-Brink, Foerster, Lycksell, Deslauriers, Laczynski, Zamula, Attard and possibly Hogberg along with Andrae after his season in Sweden ends. Let the young guys get a taste of it. There's no reason to keep the plugs around.

As Torts pointed out, it may take a couple years to clear out contracts of players he doesn't want to keep.
I think Risto won't be moved until summer of 2024 for that reason.
If Hayes keeps scoring, he could be moved this summer, with some money retained/bad contract coming back.

Brink needs a couple months in LHV, maybe the rest of the year, players rarely come back 100% off hip surgery, and it's not like he had speed to burn.

I expect a number of LHV players to come up in the spring for cameos - but if LHV is in the playoffs, they may be better served staying there and playing meaningful games against better AHL competition than playing out the string in the NHL.

If Ginning keeps playing well, he probably deserves a look before Hogberg, who didn't show much last year and seems to have flatlined.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

As Torts pointed out, it may take a couple years to clear out contracts of players he doesn't want to keep.
I think Risto won't be moved until summer of 2024 for that reason.
If Hayes keeps scoring, he could be moved this summer, with some money retained/bad contract coming back.

Brink needs a couple months in LHV, maybe the rest of the year, players rarely come back 100% off hip surgery, and it's not like he had speed to burn.

I expect a number of LHV players to come up in the spring for cameos - but if LHV is in the playoffs, they may be better served staying there and playing meaningful games against better AHL competition than playing out the string in the NHL.

If Ginning keeps playing well, he probably deserves a look before Hogberg, who didn't show much last year and seems to have flatlined.

Hayes at 50% absolutely 100% has value and should get something half decent back. Despite Chuck being the GM !!!!

Risto is a sunk cost. By the time the last year rolls around on his contract he will have no value even with retention. Not like he has it now. Then again Risto is made for the playoffs. They are stuck with it. So you either try to help the situation by playing him 15-17 minutes a night on the bottom pair where he will not hurt you overall; then maybe a dunce GM bites. They have no other options to play in the top 4 which in and of itself is fn sad while also pathetic.

Has any GM who has been around as long as Chuck has with the FLyers ( 4 years or so) only had 1 of their draft picks in the NHL lineup as we stand today?

I will take this bet in bold.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Which is good. I think Torts prefers to build from within, it's the GMs who overreact when he turns a team around and go for the quick fix. So if Torts has more power, they're less likely to pursue expensive "name" free agents and more likely to add young players with upside that have struggled on other teams. And to build through the draft.

My biggest fear would be for Couts and Atkinson to return at 100% next year, and the FO to decide the "reload" is over and try to add another "name" veteran to get back into the playoffs.

Everything you've postulated about Tortorella, how he would work, and how he would run the show here has been completely proven wrong already.

Safe to say this won't happen either.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Simple Sam is triggering Tortorella already.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Simple Sam is triggering Tortorella already.

care to give a summary why as cant listen at this time.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

care to give a summary why as cant listen at this time.

Sam reported Tortorella to the league when Tortorella no showed the post game presser after a loss to Columbus. It resulted in Tortorella getting a fine from the league for doing so. Tortorella is seemingly getting tired of Sam’s repetitive questions that he won’t he answer on pressers. So there’s some built up animosity seemingly happening between the two.

 

[deadhead]

Just a sign of Tort's good taste.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I have no idea why Sam thought that would be a good idea.

 

[Striiker]

I have no idea why Sam thought that would be a good idea.

He doesn’t think.

 

[VladDrag]

Not sure if this was posted, but in terms of tracking data, TK has been one of the best in many categories. I can post his percentile ranks when I get on my computer

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

Sam reported Tortorella to the league when Tortorella no showed the post game presser after a loss to Columbus. It resulted in Tortorella getting a fine from the league for doing so. Tortorella is seemingly getting tired of Sam’s repetitive questions that he won’t he answer on pressers. So there’s some built up animosity seemingly happening between the two.

Actually, on second thought.... maybe keeping Torts around as long as possible is a fantastic idea

 

[Beef Invictus]

He doesn’t think.

Screams of delusions about his own worth

 

[Striiker]

Screams of delusions about his own worth

All these beat writer losers have an insane sense of entitlement.

We have the internet. We can see every second of play and every piece of information about the team on demand. We don’t need some random idiot who doesn’t understand the sport at even a casual fan’s level and is proven wrong regularly.

They don’t realize that they’re completely obsolete. The only thing they can do that we can’t is ask questions directly to the coaches and players… and they’re even awful at that.