2022/23 Roster Thread XV: Where Optional Skates are Mandatory

[Hollywood Cannon]

York did not have a good camp and preseason. What he did in his prior small 30 game sample was under a previous coaching staff. He didn't play or do what the current staff wanted. Sent him down. Doesn't seem to have effected him in any negative way. Seems to have been a positive.

Whether he should have been learning at the NHL level is clearly a conversation to have, though for people who want a higher draft pick isn't it better that York was sent down?

Still find it funny they have him playing the right side despite York himself saying he rather not play that side.


What conflicting messages? Wasn't that just cement head Lappy giving his own opinion on they want from York? Or something to that effect.

Yes, Cement head Lappy who was heavily involved in camp and is the AHL coach.

I believe that qualifies as the organization.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

As far as Nic D. Would any team, like the Leafs, who want to "beef" up their 4th line even have any interest in him? It is a contract they could bury with minimal cap ramifications.

The more important question is would the Flyers even entertain trading him!!!! I do not think they would at this time.

Yes, Cement head Lappy who was heavily involved in camp and is the AHL coach.

I believe that qualifies as the organization.

Big diff is He was speaking on his own. He did not talk to Torts or anyone else nor was he speaking for them. He then backtracked or something. York didnt get any conflicting messages.

 

[Striiker]

I'd say Bryz both because of goalie volatility and because he was terrible and they were forced to play him because of the contract (and trade away Bob as a result). Little easier to hide a bad defenseman than a bad goalie. That contract would have ended in 2020 if not for the compliance buyout.

Of course they didn't have to move heaven and earth to fit Bryz in, but if we're just talking contracts...

Risto fanboy

 

[VladDrag]

York did not have a good camp and preseason. What he did in his prior small 30 game sample was under a previous coaching staff. He didn't play or do what the current staff wanted. Sent him down. Doesn't seem to have effected him in any negative way. Seems to have been a positive.

Whether he should have been learning at the NHL level is clearly a conversation to have, though for people who want a higher draft pick isn't it better that York was sent down?

Still find it funny they have him playing the right side despite York himself saying he rather not play that side.

 

[Curufinwe]

Farabee has 16 ESP, but no other points

Laughton only has 6 ESP, but has 4 PPP, and 3 SHP.

 

[Curufinwe]

I feel like Frost should have more than 6G 6A in 32 games. I also hate the fact that he had 4PTS in one game.

Praying for like 10 pts in his next 15

You have to take into account the Flyers 29th ranked PP which is a big reason why they are 29th in goals per game. His ES production is pretty good considering his usage. Unlike Cates or Laughton.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Do not dislike Giroux in any way whatsoever. Tying myself in knots. Sure. Seems pretty simple. Winning isnt one of his top priorities. Why does that bother you?

Anyone who signs with the Flyers, winning is down on their priority list.

But it's ok when they do it. Not ok when Giroux does. They're not a problem for it, but he was.

Double standard.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I feel like Frost should have more than 6G 6A in 32 games. I also hate the fact that he had 4PTS in one game.

Praying for like 10 pts in his next 15

He spent most of the year with nothing to work with

 

[landsbergfan]

I'd say Bryz both because of goalie volatility and because he was terrible and they were forced to play him because of the contract (and trade away Bob as a result). Little easier to hide a bad defenseman than a bad goalie. That contract would have ended in 2020 if not for the compliance buyout.

Of course they didn't have to move heaven and earth to fit Bryz in, but if we're just talking contracts...

If we are including everything related to acquiring and fitting the contract under the cap, I still think it's Ristolainen. Contracts were a bit different back then, so there's no telling how much Fletcher would've signed Risto to if he was subject to the same rules as when Bryz was signed. Let's also remember that Bob didnt come cheap either.

The draft capital given away to get Ristolainen in and what they could've traded him for is enough to make it worse on it's own

 

[Beef Invictus]

York did not have a good camp and preseason. What he did in his prior small 30 game sample was under a previous coaching staff. He didn't play or do what the current staff wanted. Sent him down. Doesn't seem to have effected him in any negative way. Seems to have been a positive.

Whether he should have been learning at the NHL level is clearly a conversation to have, though for people who want a higher draft pick isn't it better that York was sent down?

Still find it funny they have him playing the right side despite York himself saying he rather not play that side.


What conflicting messages? Wasn't that just cement head Lappy giving his own opinion on they want from York? Or something to that effect.

Game samples are more important and useful than practice and preseason. The staff doesn't matter. If the current staff writes him off due to that then they're lazy and incompetent.

York has ended up proving that correct. You were wrong, the team was wrong.

 

[captainpaxil]

I think torts prefers macewen to dlo and Its been pretty obvious with their usage but I think he's alo the one who moves as contract and return would be factors.

 

[Beef Invictus]

As far as Nic D. Would any team, like the Leafs, who want to "beef" up their 4th line even have any interest in him? It is a contract they could bury with minimal cap ramifications.

The more important question is would the Flyers even entertain trading him!!!! I do not think they would at this time.


Big diff is He was speaking on his own. He did not talk to Torts or anyone else nor was he speaking for them. He then backtracked or something. York didnt get any conflicting messages.

"Yes he gave a conflicting message but no there wasn't a conflicting message"

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Game samples are more important and useful than practice and preseason. The staff doesn't matter. If the current staff writes him off due to that then they're lazy and incompetent.

York has ended up proving that correct. You were wrong, the team was wrong.

How did he end up proving that correct? The time in the minors had no negative effect.
one can say it was a positive effect. The staff does matter. No worries they will ruin him like all the others.

What exactly did I say in that post that is "wrong"?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

"Yes he gave a conflicting message but no there wasn't a conflicting message"

Did he tell York this or offer his opinion only?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

You have to take into account the Flyers 29th ranked PP which is a big reason why they are 29th in goals per game. His ES production is pretty good considering his usage. Unlike Cates or Laughton.

What is/was your expectation of Cates from a points perspective coming into the season? Frost has been disappointing from a points perspective. Cates is probably what 30 -35 point player going forward?

6 of Frost 12 points have been against Arizona and Columbus. Wasn't also one of his goals an empty net against NJ?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Did he tell York this or offer his opinion only?

His opinion is in line with how he coaches, so yes.

 

[Beef Invictus]

How did he end up proving that correct? The time in the minors had no negative effect.
one can say it was a positive effect. The staff does matter. No worries they will ruin him like all the others.

What exactly did I say in that post that is "wrong"?

He is no different now than he was. He could have been playing in the NHL the entire time. They made the team worse and made an obviously wrong decision.

Your notion that practice and scrimmage-level games are more valuable than actual real pro games is what is wrong.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

His opinion is in line with how he coaches, so yes.

You didnt answer the question. This was proven months ago there was no conflicting message.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Risto fanboy

I don’t even miss Ghost tbh.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

He is no different now than he was. He could have been playing in the NHL the entire time. They made the team worse and made an obviously wrong decision.

Your notion that practice and scrimmage-level games are more valuable than actual real pro games is what is wrong.

Is it my notion (not sure where you get that) or its it the notion of pretty much evert pro, junior, and college team? Then do you think Isaac should have made the team based on his NHL games last season? He looked solid.

Yes he could have been in the NHL the entire time. No argument here. That being said that had valid reasons for sending him down. Again it did him no harm.

You want the team to tank yet you also want the "better" players in the lineup.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

You have to take into account the Flyers 29th ranked PP which is a big reason why they are 29th in goals per game. His ES production is pretty good considering his usage. Unlike Cates or Laughton.

He spent most of the year with nothing to work with

Agreed! this year I feel like he's been better than his stats show - is ultimately what I was trying to convey.

He's so fun to watch when he has confidence. Hopefully more points = more consistent confidence and him playing with that flair we love.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You didnt answer the question. This was proven months ago there was no conflicting message.

The fact that the only way you can claim this is by just ignoring what was said and how he coaches kind of kills your argument.

 

[Rebels57]

Bryz was a brutal contract, there's no denying that. Risto is arguably the worst defenseman in the NHL and the Flyers gave him a five year deal after witnessing his futility.

I will never forgive them for that.

I'd rather have seen the Bryz contract through the compliance buyout than watch this asshole for 5 more years. I know I'm probably in the minority here.

Yeah but just wait until you see him in the Playoffs. Different animal.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is it my notion (not sure where you get that) or its it the notion of pretty much evert pro, junior, and college team? Then do you think Isaac should have made the team based on his NHL games last season? He looked solid.

Yes he could have been in the NHL the entire time. No argument here. That being said that had valid reasons for sending him down. Again it did him no harm.

You want the team to tank yet you also want the "better" players in the lineup.

It did harm the team. Harming the team is harm.

A lot of NHL teams are indeed wrong. The ones who don't behave that way tend to be a lot better. The ones who make smart moves instead of knee-jerk reactions. The NHL is a very backward thinking league overall and the Flyers are contenders for worst of that bunch.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

The fact that the only way you can claim this is by just ignoring what was said and how he coaches kind of kills your argument.

No it doesn't. Answer the question. Actually no need.

How he coaches has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

It did harm the team. Harming the team is harm.

A lot of NHL teams are indeed wrong. The ones who don't behave that way tend to be a lot better. The ones who make smart moves instead of knee-jerk reactions. The NHL is a very backward thinking league overall and the Flyers are contenders for worst of that bunch.

Do you have any proof it harmed the team?