2022/23 Roster Thread XV: Where Optional Skates are Mandatory

[Hollywood Cannon]

I think it's a matter of him not being suited to the up tempo scheme run by Torts, he's a deliberate player who was never that fast and has lost a stride coming off two years of injury and medical insult. He would have value to certain teams that play a "half court" style of hockey, or if you could pair him with a strong defensive center who could cover for his defensive flaws.

The other factor is Hayes thought he was coming to a competing team, not a rebuilding situation, and he may not feel very motivated. It's obvious that this team probably won't be competitive until the end of his contract, so he probably welcomes a change of scenery.

He's not playing awful, he's scoring, he's not a total sieve on defense. Hayes is 30, doesn't fit the scheme and is probably destined to wing (which they probably expected when they signed him). So I'm sure they want to move on from him, but not at a high price.

HDCA/60 (last 21 games):
TK 14.26
Laughton 13.90
Frost 12.40
Hayes 12.31
Tippett 12.19
JVR 11.98
Farabee 10.86
Cates 9.42

I hope you recognize the hypocrisy of claiming that Hayes came here to be on a competing team while dismissing any sense of Sedlak doing the same exact thing.

This is just a case of Tortorella trying to be an alpha asshole with Hayes. It's the same thing that he did with York to a lesser degree in camp.

 

[wankstifier]

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This is all straight gibberish.

I’m upset that you don’t use dark mode

 

[deadhead]

I hope you recognize the hypocrisy of claiming that Hayes came here to be on a competing team while dismissing any sense of Sedlak doing the same exact thing.

This is just a case of Tortorella trying to be an alpha asshole with Hayes. It's the same thing that he did with York to a lesser degree in camp.

What BS.

York looked like crap in camp, and his first month in LHV, he wasn't skating well, the difference between then and now is obvious.
Torts benched Allison for bad cross ice passes, when Allison came back, his minutes gradually increased b/c he played the "right way."
TK got benched, admitted he was screwing up, worked on it, and is now plays more 5x5 minutes than any other forward.

Torts has always been this way, doesn't matter your salary, draft status, or that you married the GM's daughter, you play the right way or you sit. Especially the first season, when he's installing both his scheme and philosophy - you go 100% on your shift, if you're tired, get off the ice, you don't glide and conserve energy for offense and leave your teammates out to dry. And you don't force things, he likes aggression but not stupidity - "a man's got to know his limitations".

If Sedlak really wanted to play on a winning team, it's mid-December, he knows he'll be traded in the next couple months to a playoff team (easy to force, just make it clear you won't sign an extension) - that's not a long time to work on improving your value and get a good team interested in you (playoff teams love cheap bottom six guys).

 

[Beef Invictus]

No double standard at all. Thanks for your opinion. What false narrative you pushing this month?

Now answer my question in that post.

I think it's fine.

But I'm not the one who claims that signing with a bad team proves a player isn't competitive enough and is therefore a problem. You are. But only for Giroux, apparently.

 

[Beef Invictus]

York is the same player now that he was months ago and last season.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What BS.

York looked like crap in camp, and his first month in LHV, he wasn't skating well, the difference between then and now is obvious.
Torts benched Allison for bad cross ice passes, when Allison came back, his minutes gradually increased b/c he played the "right way."
TK got benched, admitted he was screwing up, worked on it, and is now plays more 5x5 minutes than any other forward.

Torts has always been this way, doesn't matter your salary, draft status, or that you married the GM's daughter, you play the right way or you sit. Especially the first season, when he's installing both his scheme and philosophy - you go 100% on your shift, if you're tired, get off the ice, you don't glide and conserve energy for offense and leave your teammates out to dry. And you don't force things, he likes aggression but not stupidity - "a man's got to know his limitations".

If Sedlak really wanted to play on a winning team, it's mid-December, he knows he'll be traded in the next couple months to a playoff team (easy to force, just make it clear you won't sign an extension) - that's not a long time to work on improving your value and get a good team interested in you (playoff teams love cheap bottom six guys).

Weird... Hayes, TK, and York. What do they all have in common? The two "best" players and the "top" prospect.

He's been the stereotypical asshole coach thus far using old and obvious coaching techniques of sticking it to the "top" guys in order to make a point to the locker room.

Why were you ok with Hayes being lazy before Torts was here? Why did you defend him and Fletcher til the end of the earth? What changed?

Regarding Sedlak, no, it's just hypocritical on your part but we can't admit that.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I think it's fine.

But I'm not the one who claims that signing with a bad team proves a player isn't competitive enough and is therefore a problem. You are. But only for Giroux, apparently.

That is not what I said at all. Sometimes players do not have a choice.

The simple fact is Giroux does not place a priority on winning. Not sure why you get all upset at that fact. Each is their own. Time for some football in a bit. Enjoy your day.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That is not what I said at all. Sometimes players do not have a choice.

The simple fact is Giroux does not place a priority on winning. Not sure why you get all upset at that fact. Each is their own. Time for some football in a bit. Enjoy your day.

And your proof is signing with a bad team. Players who have a choice and sign here though, for some reason they do care about winning? How can that be?

Your reasoning is drunk at best. Clear as day double standard. Why not just admit you have an irrational dislike of Giroux instead of tying yourself in knots trying to justify it?

 

[deadhead]

Weird... Hayes, TK, and York. What do they all have in common? The two "best" players and the "top" prospect.

He's been the stereotypical asshole coach thus far using old and obvious coaching techniques of sticking it to the "top" guys in order to make a point to the locker room.

Why were you ok with Hayes being lazy before Torts was here? Why did you defend him and Fletcher til the end of the earth? What changed?

Regarding Sedlak, no, it's just hypocritical on your part but we can't admit that.

Allison, Bellows, Torts does this to everyone. Frost from the doghouse to the first line.
Torts also give players second and third chances as long as they're willing to work on their flaws.

I think we're so used to players having a sense of entitlement on the Flyers that it's shocking to see a HC bust that bubble.
No favorites, no double standards.

MacEwen played up in the lineup due to injury, as much as Torts likes his energy and physical play, when better players returned, MacEwen was demoted to the 4th line.

With some players, like TDA, he's trying to find a role to use his obvious talent, and to shape him into a useful player - but his patience isn't limitless.

Torts has been honest, this season is all about evaluation, who do you want to keep, and conversely, who do you want to get rid of. And he's been frank about contracts complicating the later, it may take a couple years to move some players out.

Which is why I'm looking past the TDL, when auditions for next season will be in full force.

 

[Rebels57]

Who, this guy? Hitting a 230lbs Slafkovský?

Bigger hit than Shitsto has thrown in his Flyers career so far

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Allison, Bellows, Torts does this to everyone. Frost from the doghouse to the first line.
Torts also give players second and third chances as long as they're willing to work on their flaws.

I think we're so used to players having a sense of entitlement on the Flyers that it's shocking to see a HC bust that bubble.
No favorites, no double standards.

MacEwen played up in the lineup due to injury, as much as Torts likes his energy and physical play, when better players returned, MacEwen was demoted to the 4th line.

With some players, like TDA, he's trying to find a role to use his obvious talent, and to shape him into a useful player - but his patience isn't limitless.

Torts has been honest, this season is all about evaluation, who do you want to keep, and conversely, who do you want to get rid of. And he's been frank about contracts complicating the later, it may take a couple years to move some players out.

Which is why I'm looking past the TDL, when auditions for next season will be in full force.

Have Allison and Bellows been publicly singled out like York and Hayes have? I believe the answer to that is no.

No favorites? Get out of here with that bullshit. Tortorella 1000% has favorites and he certainly has double standards. He's a man. He's not some deity.

You didn't answer what changed between then and now. When you get a second, please do.

 

[deadhead]

Have Allison and Bellows been publicly singled out like York and Hayes have? I believe the answer to that is no.

No favorites? Get out of here with that bullshit. Tortorella 1000% has favorites and he certainly has double standards. He's a man. He's not some deity.

You didn't answer what changed between then and now. When you get a second, please do.

York wasn't "singled out," he just wasn't given the job he thought he was guaranteed. Demoting a 21 year old rookie isn't exactly a shocking event. Risto got harsher treatment from Torts.

Torts has expectations, he's fiercely loyal to players who do what he asks of them, and understands that players don't control talent, they do control effort. Which is why he gets testy at press conferences when reporters try to get him to throw his team under the bus.

And there are some things he can't change, look at Provorov, Torts stands by him for a number of reasons, one is Provorov does work hard, he's leading the team in blocked shots, but you know Torts is frustrated by his play - but who else is going to eat those minutes right now?

 

[BiggE]

York wasn't "singled out," he just wasn't given the job he thought he was guaranteed. Demoting a 21 year old rookie isn't exactly a shocking event. Risto got harsher treatment from Torts.

Torts has expectations, he's fiercely loyal to players who do what he asks of them, and understands that players don't control talent, they do control effort. Which is why he gets testy at press conferences when reporters try to get him to throw his team under the bus.

And there are some things he can't change, look at Provorov, Torts stands by him for a number of reasons, one is Provorov does work hard, he's leading the team in blocked shots, but you know Torts is frustrated by his play - but who else is going to eat those minutes right now?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

York wasn't "singled out," he just wasn't given the job he thought he was guaranteed. Demoting a 21 year old rookie isn't exactly a shocking event. Risto got harsher treatment from Torts.

Torts has expectations, he's fiercely loyal to players who do what he asks of them, and understands that players don't control talent, they do control effort. Which is why he gets testy at press conferences when reporters try to get him to throw his team under the bus.

And there are some things he can't change, look at Provorov, Torts stands by him for a number of reasons, one is Provorov does work hard, he's leading the team in blocked shots, but you know Torts is frustrated by his play - but who else is going to eat those minutes right now?

Yes, talking about the player constantly in the media with conflicting messages through the organization isn't being singled out. Sure, Jan.

Your silence on the matter of what changed is deafening.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Allison, Bellows, Torts does this to everyone. Frost from the doghouse to the first line.
Torts also give players second and third chances as long as they're willing to work on their flaws.

I think we're so used to players having a sense of entitlement on the Flyers that it's shocking to see a HC bust that bubble.
No favorites, no double standards.

MacEwen played up in the lineup due to injury, as much as Torts likes his energy and physical play, when better players returned, MacEwen was demoted to the 4th line.

With some players, like TDA, he's trying to find a role to use his obvious talent, and to shape him into a useful player - but his patience isn't limitless.

Torts has been honest, this season is all about evaluation, who do you want to keep, and conversely, who do you want to get rid of. And he's been frank about contracts complicating the later, it may take a couple years to move some players out.

Which is why I'm looking past the TDL, when auditions for next season will be in full force.

Flyers? Entitlement? This is completely ridiculous. The only entitled players have been Yandle and Hayes. You know, the guys Fletcher hailed as the solution to culture.

Otherwise everyone else has spent their careers gritting their teeth as they face pointless futility and terrible usage because management thinks tormenting players and jumping on any tiny reason to punish them is more important than helping them succeed.

 

[Striiker]

Who, this guy? Hitting a 230lbs Slafkovský?

In addition to being a great hit, I find it interesting that he hit the guy who had the puck and separated him from it. Hmmmmmmmm…

It wasn’t a hit where he was out of position, hitting for the sake of hitting.

DO YOU HEAR THAT RASMUS? HES EVEN BETTER AT PLAYING PHYSICAL THAN YOU.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Torts is nothing but a small dude, with little dick syndrome.

Charlatan. Fraud.

 

[flyersnorth]

The Flyers don't deserve anything.

Oh c'mon! Something good *has* to happen eventually!

Even with all the self-sabotage, this is a really insane string of just Bad Shit(TM) happening.

 

[renberg]

The simple fact is Giroux does not place a priority on winning.

Nonsense

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The problem isn't sending a player down. It's that development is part of the job of the coaching staff. I get that 4th liners are churnable, but that's not true of Yorks and Frosts with higher hopes. Like AV before him, Tortorella throws his hands up quickly. It points to poor hiring processes.

 

[Curufinwe]

Y is X times more ready to be in the NHL than Z, where X =100.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Who, this guy? Hitting a 230lbs Slafkovský?

I haven't watched much Montreal, but every clip of this kid is of him getting wrecked.

I am absolutely loving the big egg on everyone's face re: management and Hayes. Charles looks dumb, Hayes looks dumb, even Torts looks dumb.

Pile it on. Scratch Hayes a few more times for good measure. Embrace the chaos.

Egg talk here pls:

OT: - 108th Obsequious Banter Thread: Nine dozen eggs and not one broken

forums.hfboards.com

 

[scumpup]

As a fan of both I have a hard time picturing torts benching ghost. In fact I think smoll boy big effort would have gotten him back on the top pairing.

Compared to the effort I have seen under av they could just pull the goalie and get the same message across. Can't play with out hart.

In a losing season you are going to find out who are good pros and who the real veteran leaders are. I watched g go hard as hell during multiple losing streaks and I think it was almost a mistake because if he would have lost the buy in hak would have been out earlier. He was a definitive leader.
Tk bought in after being sat and I think it will help him as he is still pretty early in his career. I think is just a good pro and is gonna give you what he's got. Even if it gets him back on the fourth line like in Winnipeg

When Ghost was on his way out of Philly, he was putting up more effort than anyone else in the D corp other than Sanheim. He had results too, they were just not using him to his strengths. I didn't even notice him as a defensive liability, unlike the rest of that corp.

 

[Rebels57]

When Ghost was on his way out of Philly, he was putting up more effort than anyone else in the D corp other than Sanheim. He had results too, they were just not using him to his strengths. I didn't even notice him as a defensive liability, unlike the rest of that corp.

AV was a vindictive piece of shit. Just like Torts to be honest.

 

[deadhead]

I don't think AV was vindictive, but he was stubborn, once he made his mind up about a player, that was it. And he was distant.

Torts gives players second chances, he comes off tougher than he is, because he doesn't engage in the "cliche game," and pretty much says what's on his mind - he's probably more like the fans than he should be (though he hasn't reach the John McKay level yet, “What do you think of your team’s execution coach?” To which McKay replied, “I’m in favor of it.”)