2022/23 Roster Thread XV: Where Optional Skates are Mandatory

[prototypical4thliner]

I'm not curious about very much concerning hockey anymore, but I am really curious whether or not Ghost knows that there are people here (in the Flyers fanbase) who both understand hockey and appreciate him as a player. There is just so much bullshit about him from the usual suspects on social media that I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks we all think that he is soft and useless.

Not enough of them to make him believe we aren’t a mass of Neanderthals.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

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Hahaha, spot on. He's a great guy to have.

Oh dear. He really is a minimum buy-in guy. He just buys Defensemen instead of chips.

If you only play safe, how could you lose, amirite!

 

[Kelmitchell2]

If Hart were on the trading block. Any guesses/opinions to what his value would be?

2 1sts I'd assume woukd be the start, based off of age and, and having another year, maybe a 1st an a prospect and a 2nd? Not sure, but could bring in a haul, however he should be a building block for this team (depending on what his new contract may look like)

 

[flyersnorth]

Is this good? Do we want this? Or is he too cute offensively and needs to learn to grind.

The Flyers deserve some good luck. It's been hilariously bad for a while now... so good things coming?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The Flyers deserve some good luck. It's been hilariously bad for a while now... so good things coming?

The Flyers don't deserve anything.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

The Flyers don't deserve anything.

I said this in that Clint Eastwood voice from Unforgiven

 

[Striiker]

Didn’t Charlie try to say last year that Giroux just wasn’t good on the PP anymore?

He sure did. He wanted to die on the "it doesn't matter if he's on the left side, since he's regressing" hill when people were mad about the PP setup.

There's way more tweets than this too, all basically saying the same stuff.

 

[Striiker]

As you can see, that regression is hitting Giroux hard. Definitely not that he was on an offensively inept team and horribly misused in Philly, since clearly his struggles have followed him to Florida and Ottawa

 

[blackjackmulligan]

2 1sts I'd assume woukd be the start, based off of age and, and having another year, maybe a 1st an a prospect and a 2nd? Not sure, but could bring in a haul, however he should be a building block for this team (depending on what his new contract may look like)

Not sure a goalie would have that type of value. All depends on the team as 2 late first may not be that appealing.

Here is the thing after 2023/24 he will need a new long term big money deal. Figure 8 years at what 6 million per (or more) at age 26. Where does that line up with when this team may start to contend. Flyers are in such a bad spot all one can do is laugh.



TK and Ivan also free agents after 2025. Should they commit 8 year deals to those 2 at age 28 (I think)?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Not sure a goalie would have that type of value. All depends on the team as 2 late first may not be that appealing.

Here is the thing after 2023/24 he will need a new long term big money deal. Figure 8 years at what 6 million per (or more) at age 26. Where does that line up with when this team may start to contend. Flyers are in such a bad spot all one can do is laugh.



TK and Ivan also free agents after 2025. Should they commit 8 year deals to those 2 at age 28 (I think)?

Do you believe that if they take long-term deals here it means they're awful non-competitive losers?

 

[BernieParent]

I said this in that Clint Eastwood voice from Unforgiven

Clint Eastwood has different voices? Maybe his "Man talks to empty stool" versus every movie character he has ever played.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Clint Eastwood has different voices? Maybe his "Man talks to empty stool" versus every movie character he has ever played.

Every time I hear the we don’t deserve line I think of that scene. But I get your point

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Do you believe that if they take long-term deals here it means they're awful non-competitive losers?

Do you?

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Clint Eastwood has different voices? Maybe his "Man talks to empty stool" versus every movie character he has ever played.

He probably did the same sneer and growl even when he was a baby.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Do you?

You're the one who expresses these standards, not me.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

You're the one who expresses these standards, not me.

just playing your game is all with question back. so then why re-sign here if you were them? What is your take?

To answer your question. I think it plays in that they are very comfortable in their current situation to re-sign. Also not taking the risk of injury and taking the cash. Can’t fault one for that.; if that is how they are wired. Knowing I was gonna get paid I look elsewhere. There is nothing appealing playing for the Flyers or in this city at this time.

 

[Beef Invictus]

just playing your game is all with question back. so then why re-sign here if you were them? What is your take?

To answer your question. I think it plays in that they are very comfortable in their current situation to re-sign. Also not taking the risk of injury and taking the cash. Can’t fault one for that.; if that is how they are wired. Knowing I was gonna get paid I look elsewhere. There is nothing appealing playing for the Flyers or in this city at this time.

Oh ok so it's loser behavior when Giroux does it, but fine when they do. Thanks for confirming your double standard and proving your opinion on Giroux is nonsense.

 

[BernieParent]

He probably did the same sneer and growl even when he was a baby.

"Uh uh. I know what you're thinking. 'Did he puke up all of his formula or only some?' Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. But having digested 3 hours' worth of the stuff and pushed it into my bowels, which would blow this diaper clean off, you've gotta ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, Mom?"

 

[deadhead]

Torts doesn't look dumb, people scoffed that he'd bench high priced veterans when he was hired, well, he's a man of his word, you play the right way or you sit. Now his idea of merit may not coincide with Magua or Beef, but it's his team, he's the HC, so he's not going to take advice from a message board.

Hayes comes off poorly, compare to TK, Allison or others when they were benched, they were told why, they worked to fix the problem, got back into the lineup and it was never held against them. As Torts pointed out, it wasn't the turnover, he doesn't bench players for one mistake, rather, after you tell someone repeatedly, if they don't change, well, there are few other options. Hayes acts as he's the victim, when he's been slow to back check, sloppy with the puck, out of position, etc.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Ah, so now we no longer support Cevin Hayes because the God Emperor says so?

Hayes is the same player he has always been. We have recognized that. We have criticized him for years.

 

[Beef Invictus]

And here comes the appeal to authority right on time.

 

[renberg]

As a fan of both I have a hard time picturing torts benching ghost. In fact I think smoll boy big effort would have gotten him back on the top pairing.

Interesting thought. I agree that Torts would have found a way to make excellent use out of Ghost. He'd probably try to use him in some of the ways that he worked Werenski. I don't believe that he would have got into a war with him and demand that he be traded.

 

[deadhead]

Ah, so now we no longer support Cevin Hayes because the God Emperor says so?

Hayes is the same player he has always been. We have recognized that. We have criticized him for years.

I think it's a matter of him not being suited to the up tempo scheme run by Torts, he's a deliberate player who was never that fast and has lost a stride coming off two years of injury and medical insult. He would have value to certain teams that play a "half court" style of hockey, or if you could pair him with a strong defensive center who could cover for his defensive flaws.

The other factor is Hayes thought he was coming to a competing team, not a rebuilding situation, and he may not feel very motivated. It's obvious that this team probably won't be competitive until the end of his contract, so he probably welcomes a change of scenery.

He's not playing awful, he's scoring, he's not a total sieve on defense. Hayes is 30, doesn't fit the scheme and is probably destined to wing (which they probably expected when they signed him). So I'm sure they want to move on from him, but not at a high price.

HDCA/60 (last 21 games):
TK 14.26
Laughton 13.90
Frost 12.40
Hayes 12.31
Tippett 12.19
JVR 11.98
Farabee 10.86
Cates 9.42

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Oh ok so it's loser behavior when Giroux does it, but fine when they do. Thanks for confirming your double standard and proving your opinion on Giroux is nonsense.

No double standard at all. Thanks for your opinion. What false narrative you pushing this month?

Now answer my question in that post.

 

[deadhead]

Interesting thought. I agree that Torts would have found a way to make excellent use out of Ghost. He'd probably try to use him in some of the ways that he worked Werenski. I don't believe that he would have got into a war with him and demand that he be traded.

Torts wouldn't have used Ghost like Werenski, who is a true 1st pair D-man and much bigger and more physical.

First, he would have beat the dangerous plays out of Ghost, like dancing along the blue line and getting stripped.
Then if Ghost responded he would have used him a lot in offense first situations, like O-zone faceoffs, etc.
He would have sheltered Ghost, b/c winning board battles in the D-zone is a key element of defense for Torts, and that isn't one of Ghost's strong points.
But he would have liked Ghost's ability to drive play in the O-zone.