2022/23 Roster Thread XV: Where Optional Skates are Mandatory

[CanadianFlyer88]

We were told Giroux, Voracek, and Ghost were the locker room problems.

Since they've left, we've seen what REAL problems look like.

Anyone even remember those former three being benched for lazy play? Or having their friends roast the coach on social media? Or any other proof of them being bad teammates or lazy players, other than the fact that they weren't able to win a cup all by themselves while the team as a whole was awful?

Jake didn't need friends to publicly roast people "working" for the organization.

 

[Striiker]

Jake didn't need friends to publicly roast people "working" for the organization.

The best

 

[JojoTheWhale]

How the hell would any of us know what kind of shape a player was in?

Sure there are outliers like Kelvin Benjamin, but they're few and far between.

 

[DancingPanther]

That Yandle vid. What a loser. Literally all but like...what? Maybe 5 players since the Fletcher hire are drop dead unlikeable about this organization. That includes management. You wonder why some of us root for them to lose. It's because 95% of the entire organization f***ing deserves it

 

[Magua]

How the hell would any of us know what kind of shape a player was in?

Do they train with Alain Vigneault or not? There’s your answer.

 

[DancingPanther]

We were told here that Sedlak being used as a top 9 center, over prospects, was a positive long-term development. Re-signing him was brought up. Okay, so he took his ball and went home, so that was all pointless.

Braun is now in the scratch rotation, when we were told that he would net a 3rd round pick again and that's why he was playing over York/Zamula. Hayes, on an indisputably good and necessary and movable contract (maybe to Colorado?!), was only moved to wing so he could help the offense more.

Is it possible all this twisting reasoning was just BS?



Kev 100% called in a favor, after he white knighted for Yandle after his scratch last season.



Yandle played with the intensity of someone murdered and dumped in the Delaware River.

If you get dumped in the Delaware the radioactivity might reanimate you. I'd say murdered and dumped into a trashcan on 19th and Allegheny

Do they train with Alain Vigneault or not? There’s your answer.

Or Ivan Provorov. "The Machine"

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

At least Ryan Whitney questioned it in a more diplomatic way. He sticks up for his friend without making his friend look bad.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Do they train with Alain Vigneault or not? There’s your answer.

Well if there's one thing that man can teach, it's failing to acknowledge your own mistakes and limitations. I stand corrected.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Voracek has never been out of shape and he had what, one bad defensive season?

Ghost made way more good decisions than bad. It's not even close. Nor was he sloppier than any other dmen.

Your need to push narratives in defense of failures in management overwhelms your ability to say true things.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Lukáš Sedlák confirms he’s going home to “probably” play for Pardubice. He said it has nothing to do with the Flyers. Playing in the NHL didn’t bring him the joy he expected. At his age, it’s about being near family and having fun with however many hockey years he has left.


Torts on Hayes, and scratching his top scorer: "It's kind of a big picture, in my mind, as far as team concept. I'll put it to you this way: I can't keep looking by things, (just) because we're worried about scoring. I've got to look at the big picture of what this team is going to be, what the standard is, of how we have to play. That far outweighs losing some offense in a particular game. I'll give you that."


Anyone still think Fletcher is calling the shots?
This is Torts' team, for good or evil.

So if Torts is calling the shots how come he isn't doing anything you said he would? How did you get him so completely wrong?

 

[DancingPanther]

At least Ryan Whitney questioned it in a more diplomatic way. He sticks up for his friend without making his friend look bad.

That's the difference between having a clue and not having a clue. Whitney might have some dumb takes but I've never thought he was ooga booga like Yandsypansy

 

[Striiker]

How the hell would any of us know what kind of shape a player was in?

Trial at the Isle

 

[FlyerNutter]

^^^

The future Flyer defense core that would lead them to the promise land. Better than the defense currently constructed.

Also. Provorov with the biggest bulge.

 

[deadhead]

Voracek has never been out of shape and he had what, one bad defensive season?

Ghost made way more good decisions than bad. It's not even close. Nor was he sloppier than any other dmen.

Your need to push narratives in defense of failures in management overwhelms your ability to say true things.

Jake had one good defensive season, his first year under AV, then he tuned him out.
Jake even admitted coming into camp out of shape, "mother's cooking."
Jake was more similar to Hayes and JVR than people want to admit.

So if Torts is calling the shots how come he isn't doing anything you said he would? How did you get him so completely wrong?

What isn't he doing?
He's playing Frost, Cates, Tippett big minutes, York is in the top four.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

That's the difference between having a clue and not having a clue. Whitney might have some dumb takes but I've never thought he was ooga booga like Yandsypansy

Pretty sure despite being a Boston area guy Yandle had to go to the Q because he was too stupid to qualify for a Hockey East school.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Jake had one good defensive season, his first year under AV, then he tuned him out.
Jake even admitted coming into camp out of shape, "mother's cooking."
Jake was more similar to Hayes and JVR than people want to admit.


What isn't he doing?
He's playing Frost, Cates, Tippett big minutes, York is in the top four.

Hilarious and blatant. "One good defensive season" is wildly different from "bad defensively."

What isn't he doing? Uh, all the "rebuild happy" and "secretly offensive genius" nonsense you insisted he would do. Over and over. None of the development stuff, complete with communications failures.

 

[Curufinwe]

The Flyers shouldn’t be buying anyone out. They made their bed now sleep in it.

And they can’t buy out any injured players.

Weird old men will say what they want about Ghost and Voracek, but the fact is the Flyers are 30th in a 32 team league since they were traded.

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't know how often I've seen Frost go one hand on the stick full sprint. He really is a different player when he's confident.

I'm not ready to say he's better offensively than MacEwen, but he's getting there.

Might have been some recent suicides in the Frost-will-be-in-Europe-next-season group over in Buzz town. We’ll see who’s still alive and kicking on Moday.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Risto's contract might be the worst in team history.

I'm still in disbelief

It's between him and MacDonald. I lean more towards Ristolainen because of what we gave up to originally get him and the fact that Fletcher chose to re-sign him when he could have moved him at the deadline instead and recouped some assets

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

And they can’t buy out any injured players.

Weird old men will say what they want about Ghost and Voracek, but the fact is the Flyers are 30th in a 32 team league since they were traded.

 

[BernieParent]

How the hell would any of us know what kind of shape a player was in?

Sure there are outliers like Kelvin Benjamin, but they're few and far between.

That guy was an absolute zero.

 

[BernieParent]

Trial at the Isle

This pic makes me sad.

 

[TCTC]

It's between him and MacDonald. I lean more towards Ristolainen because of what we gave up to originally get him and the fact that Fletcher chose to re-sign him when he could have moved him at the deadline instead and recouped some assets

Yeah, MacDonald was the more useful player. He was mediocre and good on the PK. Ristolainen isn't even mediocre and doesn't really shine on the PK.

 

[Cody Webster]

Two, $5M defenseman. One with no points and one is -18....good signings

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Flyers don't have to do squat if they're rebuilding, that's the beauty of being a GM of a rebuild - you are under no pressure to make moves to win now. They can bury Hayes for a year and reduce the cost of a buyout or wait for a low cost exit. They don't have to dump him to get cap room to sign another free agent - and they have no big money pending extensions.

Nah, Lycksell had a nice first period, then went MIA. Bellows didn't do much.
Lycksell was also pretty much MIA against the Devils.
He flashes talent here and there, but needs more time to adjust to NA hockey.

Bellows earned a game based on his LHV play, but again, did you see anything that said, keep him around?

They're at home, so LHV is a car ride away, and MacEwen is probably healthy their next game. And Allison is close to returning.
What have Bellows and Lycksell done to play ahead of those two.

So Hayes goes from being a moveable commodity without retention, to a slightly more difficult commodity to move with salary retention to now being staged away for a few years until a buy out is palatable. Are you ready to say that your uncle is a massive failure?