2022/23 Roster Thread XV: Where Optional Skates are Mandatory

[freakydallas13]

Which contract do y'all hate more, Hayes's of Fisto's?

Also, I love how contrarians and the Flyers' shills talk about Giroux not being on the team. On the one hand, Giroux is old and sucks and wouldn't have helped this team and Charles was lucky to get what he got in that trade. Good riddance, it was time to move on.

On the other hand, this team lost Giroux since last season, and that was a massive blow to the team and why they are bad now. He's practically irreplaceable!

 

[deadhead]

Flyers don't have to do squat if they're rebuilding,

Which contract do y'all hate more, Hayes's of Fisto's?

Also, I love how contrarians and the Flyers' shills talk about Giroux not being on the team. On the one hand, Giroux is old and sucks and wouldn't have helped this team and Charles was lucky to get what he got in that trade. Good riddance, it was time to move on.

On the other hand, this team lost Giroux since last season, and that was a massive blow to the team and why they are bad now. He's practically irreplaceable!

They were bad last year with Giroux, let's not engage in revisionist history.
They're actually more competitive this season. Not b/c of his absence, but due to Torts and some young players emerging.

G is now a very good but not great player who is 35 and won't be of much value in 2025 when this team may be playoff caliber.
Tippett will be 26 in 2025 and probably a better player than 38 year old G.
That's why it was a good trade (along with a 2024 1st and 2023 3rd).

Lycksell had a great 1st period in his 3rd NHL game, but he did not have a great 2nd and 3rd. I too have seen enough and am eagerly waiting to see what an unknown 34 year old from the AHL can do, alongside the other unknowns on the roster.

If Lycksell played center, he'd probably still by in Philly.
If you haven't noticed, Laughton is the 3C and Brown the 4C.
Rumors are Laczynski is being prepped to be an organ donor.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Giroux is this franchise's most talented player since Lindros and he was treated like shit and blamed for everything....just like Lindros

This is why this franchise and Comcast don't deserve nice things

 

[Curufinwe]

Which contract do y'all hate more, Hayes's of Fisto's?

I don’t think it’s even close.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well this is awkward.

It's not like any of us insisted AA is destined for the NHL team the second he's healthy back in preseason, and then more recently the second they could find a way to make it happen.

After we were told, repeatedly, he wouldn't play.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Flyers don't have to do squat if they're rebuilding,

They were bad last year with Giroux, let's not engage in revisionist history.
They're actually more competitive this season. Not b/c of his absence, but due to Torts and some young players emerging.

G is now a very good but not great player who is 35 and won't be of much value in 2015 when this team may be playoff caliber.
Tippett will be 26 in 2015 and probably a better player than 38 year old G.
That's why it was a good trade (along with a 2014 1st and 2013 3rd).


If Lycksell played center, he'd probably still by in Philly.
If you haven't noticed, Laughton is the 3C and Brown the 4C.
Rumors are Laczynski is being prepped to be an organ donor.

They're not rebuilding.

 

[Beef Invictus]

One of the worst teams in the league yet were the only one at 50 contracts. Don’t worry they got 34 year old Artem Anisimov qued up to get back to 50 again.

Is this good management? @Beef Invictus

No. Not it is not good management.

 

[Striiker]

Which contract do y'all hate more, Hayes's of Fisto's?

Also, I love how contrarians and the Flyers' shills talk about Giroux not being on the team. On the one hand, Giroux is old and sucks and wouldn't have helped this team and Charles was lucky to get what he got in that trade. Good riddance, it was time to move on.

On the other hand, this team lost Giroux since last season, and that was a massive blow to the team and why they are bad now. He's practically irreplaceable!

28 points in 30 games at 34 years old, by the way.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Flyers don't have to do squat if they're rebuilding, that's the beauty of being a GM of a rebuild - you are under no pressure to make moves to win now. They can bury Hayes for a year and reduce the cost of a buyout or wait for a low cost exit. They don't have to dump him to get cap room to sign another free agent - and they have no big money pending extensions.

Nah, Lycksell had a nice first period, then went MIA. Bellows didn't do much.
Lycksell was also pretty much MIA against the Devils.
He flashes talent here and there, but needs more time to adjust to NA hockey.

Bellows earned a game based on his LHV play, but again, did you see anything that said, keep him around?

They're at home, so LHV is a car ride away, and MacEwen is probably healthy their next game. And Allison is close to returning.
What have Bellows and Lycksell done to play ahead of those two.

This seals it. There is not a single thing that you won’t justify or defend that this franchise does.

I don’t care how they looked in an unbelievably small sample sizes. It’s not even about the players themselves. It’s once again about the process. What is their “goal” here?

Giving them the hook for ARTEM ANISMOV (a guy we were told would never play) is certainly what good management does.

 

[deadhead]

28 points in 30 games at 34 years old, by the way.

35 years old. Unsustainable SH% of 17.3.
He's the best player on a bad team again.
As well as he's playing, Ottawa only has 30 points, with Talbot .916 and Forsberg .908 solid in goal.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Risto's contract might be the worst in team history.

I'm still in disbelief

 

[deadhead]

Giroux is this franchise's most talented player since Lindros and he was treated like shit and blamed for everything....just like Lindros

This is why this franchise and Comcast don't deserve nice things

Other than a few idiots on the internet, G was generally loved and respected.
He has never been a controversial figure.
But it was time to move on, for the same reason signing JG to a 7 year deal didn't make sense.
They need to dump veteran contracts, not add them.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Other than a few idiots on the internet, G was generally loved and respected.
He has never been a controversial figure.
But it was time to move on, for the same reason signing JG to a 7 year deal didn't make sense.
They need to dump veteran contracts, not add them.

So why are they actively adding veteran contracts? And why are you defending them doing so?

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Couple other recent contracts that stick out to me as just terrible:

Andrew MacDonald
Jody Shelley
Nick Deslauriers
Ilya Byzgalov

Considering he was out of hockey in 2016, the Mike Richards contract was probably pretty bad. Thankfully we didn't have any of that regression here. Mike is my guy btw

 

[Beef Invictus]

Couple other recent contracts that stick out to me as just terrible:

Andrew MacDonald
Jody Shelley
Nick Deslauriers
Ilya Byzgalov

Considering he was out of hockey in 2016, the Mike Richards contract was probably pretty bad. Thankfully we didn't have any of that regression here. Mike is my guy btw

Don't forget the Leighton contract. A purely idiotic move that set up the panicked acquisition of Bryzgalov, which cost them a Vezina-caliber goalie, and whose horrible play caused the panicked organizational regression that saw them focusing on defense (in it's grittiest and least forward-thinking terms) above all other things which the team culture hasn't come close to recovering from. And which manifests in their continued terrible player development and absolute loathing of offensive initiative and skill...it all started with the shift to build a meatshield around a failed Bryz.

The butterfly effect from that move is still haunting the team. It redefined how they think about the game and let them wallow in their deepest dinosaur delusions instead of trying to adapt and move forward with the sport.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Don't forget the Leighton contract. A purely idiotic move that set up the panicked acquisition of Bryzgalov, which cost them a Vezina-caliber goalie, and whose horrible play caused the panicked organizational regression that saw them focusing on defense (in it's grittiest and least forward-thinking terms) above all other things which the team culture hasn't come close to recovering from. And which manifests in their continued terrible player development and absolute loathing of offensive initiative and skill...it all started with the shift to build a meatshield around a failed Bryz.

The butterfly effect from that move is still haunting the team. It redefined how they think about the game and let them wallow in their deepest dinosaur delusions instead of trying to adapt and move forward with the sport.

This took me a second to figure out - but you are referring to Bob right? It's almost lost on me that he played here at all

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Don't forget the Leighton contract. A purely idiotic move that set up the panicked acquisition of Bryzgalov, which cost them a Vezina-caliber goalie, and whose horrible play caused the panicked organizational regression that saw them focusing on defense (in it's grittiest and least forward-thinking terms) above all other things which the team culture hasn't come close to recovering from. And which manifests in their continued terrible player development and absolute loathing of offensive initiative and skill...it all started with the shift to build a meatshield around a failed Bryz.

The butterfly effect from that move is still haunting the team. It redefined how they think about the game and let them wallow in their deepest dinosaur delusions instead of trying to adapt and move forward with the sport.

Remember that time that POS hid his injury to get that contract?

 

[Taijuan Fedotov]

Couple other recent contracts that stick out to me as just terrible:

Andrew MacDonald
Jody Shelley
Nick Deslauriers
Ilya Byzgalov

Considering he was out of hockey in 2016, the Mike Richards contract was probably pretty bad. Thankfully we didn't have any of that regression here. Mike is my guy btw

Vinny Lecavalier

 

[Beef Invictus]

This took me a second to figure out - but you are referring to Bob right? It's almost lost on me that he played here at all

Correct. The second he was signed we all knew Bob was gone. The threads are gone, but I called it and called that he had both the sheer talent and work ethic to get a Vezina and we would regret it.

Like I've been saying, until this team has more vision than a bunch of amateur dorks on the internet they're always going to be a disaster.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Remember that time that POS hid his injury to get that contract?

I do try not to

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Looking through the buyout calculator on Capfriendly - the Ellis buyout this off-season doesn't look awful. It's definitely not great, but you get 4 years of decent cap savings before 4 years of a $2mm cap hit. Not sure what else you can do with this contract (if you can even buyout an injured player?) because carrying this cap hit during the off-season and essentially being forced to use LTIR for 4 years seems problematic.

On the opposite end, Couturier's is pretty bad....we all hope he can come back and just be a player at this point, but two years of not playing due to back injuries is not looking good.

Risto's potential buyout isn't awful either but you're probably better off just sticking him at 3RD and riding it out/eventually trading him.

Hayes is in the same boat as Risto's.

 

[deadhead]

Couple other recent contracts that stick out to me as just terrible:

Andrew MacDonald
Jody Shelley
Nick Deslauriers
Ilya Byzgalov

Considering he was out of hockey in 2016, the Mike Richards contract was probably pretty bad. Thankfully we didn't have any of that regression here. Mike is my guy btw

Shelly and Deslauriers were meh, if you can bury a contract at low cost, who cares?
That's why Weise was a far worse signing than Deslauriers, $2.35M when the cap was around $70M v $1.75M with a cap at $80M

MacDonald was worse than Deslauriers, 6x5 with a $69M salary cap. 7.2% of cap. Risto is only 6.25% and one less season.
MacDonald minutes (5x5) pp/60, CF%, CFrel, xGF%, xGFrel
2014-15: 16:11 0.38 48.68% -1.38 48.13% -1.07
2015-16: 16:36 0.77 49.27% -5.97 52.06% -0.11
2016-17: 16:24 0.75 47.60% -3.88 48.34% -1.96
2017-18: 17:06 0.96 46.68% -4.00 46.84% -3.37
2018-19: 14:01 0.55 47.30% +0.43 47.58% +0.43

Risto
2022-23: 16:09 0.00 42.80% -5.67 44.38% -1.30
last 21g: 16:21 0.00 46.12% -4.14 49.74% +2.83

 

[bennysflyers16]

Risto is the worst skater in our lineup , and is signed for 4.5 yrs more. It is the worst contract ever.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Looking through the buyout calculator on Capfriendly - the Ellis buyout this off-season doesn't look awful. It's definitely not great, but you get 4 years of decent cap savings before 4 years of a $2mm cap hit. Not sure what else you can do with this contract (if you can even buyout an injured player?) because carrying this cap hit during the off-season and essentially being forced to use LTIR for 4 years seems problematic.

On the opposite end, Couturier's is pretty bad....we all hope he can come back and just be a player at this point, but two years of not playing due to back injuries is not looking good.

Risto's potential buyout isn't awful either but you're probably better off just sticking him at 3RD and riding it out/eventually trading him.

Hayes is in the same boat as Risto's.

The Flyers shouldn’t be buying anyone out. They made their bed now sleep in it.

 

[deadhead]

Looking through the buyout calculator on Capfriendly - the Ellis buyout this off-season doesn't look awful. It's definitely not great, but you get 4 years of decent cap savings before 4 years of a $2mm cap hit. Not sure what else you can do with this contract (if you can even buyout an injured player?) because carrying this cap hit during the off-season and essentially being forced to use LTIR for 4 years seems problematic.

On the opposite end, Couturier's is pretty bad....we all hope he can come back and just be a player at this point, but two years of not playing due to back injuries is not looking good.

Risto's potential buyout isn't awful either but you're probably better off just sticking him at 3RD and riding it out/eventually trading him.

Hayes is in the same boat as Risto's.

Ellis will not be bought out, LTIR is no problem if you're not trying to fit a big FA contract under your cap.
It allows you to add bad contracts in trades b/c you have that 10% margin in the off season to work with.
But not enough room to add a big FA contract - but the Flyers have no business looking at big money FAs the next three years.