2022/23 Roster Thread XV: Where Optional Skates are Mandatory

[FlyerNutter]

Going to be an interesting dynamic in that room now.

Who will guys side with, Kevin or Torts?

Great culture. Maybe this is what Clarke was giddy about for wanting the players to be more uncomfortable.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

There’s probably three options in regards to Hayes. None of them are good. You have the buyout route. The Gostisbehere route where you trade an asset or assets to clear the majority if not the whole contract. Last is the Voracek route where you find a somewhat similar bad deal around the league.

You have to be really delusional to think the Flyers are moving Hayes without taking some type of bath in the process. It’s looking more & more like a situation that’s headed for split after this year & the whole league knows it.

 

[deadhead]

It is about culture. About playing the game "the right way." About padding your stats or helping the team win games.
People said Torts wouldn't dare bench guys with big contracts - obviously they didn't do their homework.

The Flyers have needed this for a long time - accountability. The film don't lie.
And the young players will get the message, if Hayes ain't safe, you ain't safe, whatever your contract or where you were chosen in the draft.

It won't tank Hayes' value, the league knows what he is, there's a lot of film and scouting reports on every player, in the age of the internet, you can't hide much. Some team will figure they can work with him, and accept his defensive limitations in return for his scoring. If the Flyers are willing to retain salary (or take a bad contract back) they can move him.

 

[Magua]

It is about culture. About playing the game "the right way." About padding your stats or helping the team win games.
People said Torts wouldn't dare bench guys with big contracts - obviously they didn't do their homework.

The Flyers have needed this for a long time - accountability. The film don't lie.
And the young players will get the message, if Hayes ain't safe, you ain't safe, whatever your contract or where you were chosen in the draft.

It won't tank Hayes' value, the league knows what he is, there's a lot of film and scouting reports on every player, in the age of the internet, you can't hide much. Some team will figure they can work with him, and accept his defensive limitations in return for his scoring. If the Flyers are willing to retain salary (or take a bad contract back) they can move him.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

It doesn’t matter if the whole league knows Hayes strengths & flaws. They also know he’s on a shit contract & the Flyers are likely headed towards a situation that they have to get him out of there.

We’re also adding culture to a roster that likely the majority of won’t be here in a few years including the head coach.

 

[Beef Invictus]

More a reaction to knee jerk criticism of everything. I mean the assumption that Sedlak is leaving b/c of Torts (who he played for three years) or losing (half the league plays on losing teams and don't take off half-way through the season) reflects blind hatred, not reasoned thinking.

I was against the Risto trade and extension as much as anyone - but that horse is dead and skinned, and the carcass boiled.
Didn't think the Ghost move was good, but still don't think of it as a big deal, still think he's a 3rd pair, PP specialist. And you're not extending him at 30. So only the pick matters.

The other moves people get excited about? Ho hum. Which is why I don't understand the big deal.

Voracek for Atkinson, damaged goods for damaged goods, same money.
Patrick and Myers for Ellis, bad luck but the Flyers lose only some offseason flexibility which they won't need (i.e. they have no business signing big money FAs)
TDA? A gamble they may lose, but we'll see, it's not even half-way through the season.
NAK or MacEwen? Who cares?
Deslauriers, overpay which I said so, but not a move that will tie Briere's hands (easier to bury than Weise)

So I don't think Fletcher did a good job, but he didn't dig a deep hole for his successor, they're out (2) 2nd rd picks, have an extra 1st rd pick and a couple middle round picks the next two years. By 2025 (do you think they'll be competitive before then?) they should have worked their way out of most the veteran contracts. So nothing that can't be fixed if they take a long-run approach.

The real key is the FO committing to a rebuild and allowing the next GM to do whatever is needed to further the process.
That matters far more than minor moves.

Has it occurred to you that because of those three years, he isn't interested in playing for him more?

The only things that get criticized are the things worthy of criticism. In 2022, that's nearly every part of the franchise. Nothing knee jerk about it, and far far more reasonable than defending everything these failures do

 

[Beef Invictus]

It is about culture. About playing the game "the right way." About padding your stats or helping the team win games.
People said Torts wouldn't dare bench guys with big contracts - obviously they didn't do their homework.

The Flyers have needed this for a long time - accountability. The film don't lie.
And the young players will get the message, if Hayes ain't safe, you ain't safe, whatever your contract or where you were chosen in the draft.

It won't tank Hayes' value, the league knows what he is, there's a lot of film and scouting reports on every player, in the age of the internet, you can't hide much. Some team will figure they can work with him, and accept his defensive limitations in return for his scoring. If the Flyers are willing to retain salary (or take a bad contract back) they can move him.

With this many strawman, every cornfield in PA could be protected.

Pay no mind to the instances that run against these notions, and undermine the notion that there's any rational plan.

 

[Striiker]

With this many strawman, every cornfield in PA could be protected.

Pay no mind to the instances that run against these notions, and undermine the notion that there's any rational plan.

Scarecrows are fake. Think about it.

What do they protect the crops from?

Birds? Birds don’t exist.

So what are the scarecrows doing there?

 

[FlyerNutter]

Scarecrows are fake. Think about it.

What do they protect the crops from?

Birds? Birds don’t exist.

So what are the scarecrows doing there?

Jeepers creepers where’d you get those peepers

 

[Striiker]

What I don’t get is how we’re having problems and needing to bench people when Fletcher and Torts fixed the leadership, locker room, culture, foundation, and accountability.

We were repeatedly told that exactly this wouldn’t happen anymore.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

To be even fairer to Lukas, he didn't sign here at all

That's what I meant by he didn't sign here to play lmfao

 

[Striiker]

 

[Juicy Pop]

If Torts offered to takeover as GM, would you be for it?

 

[renberg]

Some people are forgetting how bad last year’s club was. Usually they were not competitive five minutes after the puck dropped. After Giroux was traded it wasn’t even five minutes.
AV and his pets were disgusting to watch and they took over the room after G left. How many games did Iron Man Yandle float around the ice leaving Hart out to dry? Brassard and Hayes were awful; couldn’t spell defense much the less play it. Then they ragged about Cates, Attard and Tippett getting PT. Then Hayes saw himself as the captain of the club going into this season. His nose has been out of joint since Torts said that there would be no captain this season. That is the rot in the locker room that Tortorella has to clean. Too many entitled non performers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If Torts offered to takeover as GM, would you be for it?

Absolutely not

 

[Malaka]

If Torts offered to takeover as GM, would you be for it?

Only if Babcock was made successor HC

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Absolutely not

yea... he unleashed his full Dino beliefs here..

no way does this Org. need yet more years of dead era hockey going forward

 

[FLYguy3911]

Here comes Artem.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Here comes Artem.

dis gunna be gud

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Here comes Artem.

Well this is awkward.

7 points in 5 AHL games, did what they asked of him.
Told you it's a revolving door between Philly and LHV this season.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Well this is awkward.

why ?

not one person here could have predicted this..

 

[deadhead]

Flyers don't have to do squat if they're rebuilding, that's the beauty of being a GM of a rebuild - you are under no pressure to make moves to win now. They can bury Hayes for a year and reduce the cost of a buyout or wait for a low cost exit. They don't have to dump him to get cap room to sign another free agent - and they have no big money pending extensions.

Well this is awkward.

Nah, Lycksell had a nice first period, then went MIA. Bellows didn't do much.
Lycksell was also pretty much MIA against the Devils.
He flashes talent here and there, but needs more time to adjust to NA hockey.

Bellows earned a game based on his LHV play, but again, did you see anything that said, keep him around?

They're at home, so LHV is a car ride away, and MacEwen is probably healthy their next game. And Allison is close to returning.
What have Bellows and Lycksell done to play ahead of those two.

 

[Magua]

Lycksell had a great 1st period in his 3rd NHL game, but he did not have a great 2nd and 3rd. I too have seen enough and am eagerly waiting to see what an unknown 34 year old from the AHL can do, alongside the other unknowns on the roster.

 

[trostol]

ha ha ...REBUILDING!!!!!

maybe they can get a mutual termination with Hayes lol

 

[freakydallas13]

Man, f*** Yandle, f*** Hayes, and f*** Torts. this is supposedly a Philadelphia hockey team, but it feels more like a Pats tailgate with all these crying Boston dipshits pissing their pants.

Piss. Babies. The whole lot of them.

Get them all the f*** off my team.