2022/23 Roster Thread XIX: 19th Nervous Breakdown

[Striiker]

I don’t know why you think comparing Frost to Giroux, on the PP is remotely fair. Giroux lead the league, or was near the top, in pp points for like 5 consecutive seasons. It’s just not a fair comparison.

From 09-10 until 19-20, Giroux was 1st in the entire league in total PP points with 310.

If Frost isn't on that level he's basically worthless.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Nobody is giving up on him yet, but the timeline for that has shrunk. The simple fact is, right now Cates and Tippet are better players who fit roles on the team. Frosty is not there. I know that goes against the “wisdom of the board” but I think objectively what I said is right.


i know I shouldn’t reply to this, but who is John?

If you say Frost will never be the right player for torts or this franchise iam with you. With Colorado, Carolina of Florida he would be a valuable 3rd liner with pp2 minutes.

And maybe he can grow in such a system.even more.

With us his career will be f***ed!

 

[Beef Invictus]

Cates is not better.

 

[Starat327]

Cates is not better.

Im not sure why this topic exists. Cates was drafted by Hextall so simply by association he has to suck.

 

[1865]

It's hard to believe that a team that kept lying about being a play-off contender has failed so hard and then compounded this by having the worst tank-deadline of all time. That fifth round pick will surely come in handy.

Now we'll probably have enough talent left on the roster to climb up to that desirable 14th overall pick and turn this into a completely and totally wasted season. Great work Chuck, it's not at all gobsmacking that you're still employed.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's hard to believe that a team that kept lying about being a play-off contender has failed so hard and then compounded this by having the worst tank-deadline of all time. That fifth round pick will surely come in handy.

Now we'll probably have enough talent left on the roster to climb up to that desirable 14th overall pick and turn this into a completely and totally wasted season. Great work Chuck, it's not at all gobsmacking that you're still employed.

Don't forget that there's still time to further ruin Couturier

 

[1865]

Don't forget that there's still time to further ruin Couturier

That would be a proper send off. A final f*** you to the people who still care about this lifeless corpse of a franchise.

 

[BiggE]

As someone who attended their first game in 1968, though I really don’t remember it (I was 3), and, more importantly, as someone who attended roughly 95% of home games between 1974 and 2004, I can say with 100% percent conviction that this is as bad as it gets.

I have been angry before, frustrated before, devastated before, but never have I just felt like giving up because it was hopeless. Ownership doesn’t care, the GM is a clueless lackey, the senior advisors are way past their expiration date, the heir apparent seems to be yet another clueless toady, the head coach is a complete asshole, the developmental staff are clueless, the medical/training staffs are incompetent, the roster is pathetic and the prospect cupboard is nearly bare. And, to top it off, they will have all of one pick among the top 70 or so selections at the draft.

There is nothing good about this franchise anymore.

 

[freakydallas13]

As someone who attended their first game in 1968, though I really don’t remember it (I was 3), and, more importantly, as someone who attended roughly 95% of home games between 1974 and 2004, I can say with 100% percent conviction that this is as bad as it gets.

I have been angry before, frustrated before, devastated before, but never have I just felt like giving up because it was hopeless. Ownership doesn’t care, the GM is a clueless lackey, the senior advisors are way past their expiration date, the heir apparent seems to be yet another clueless toady, the head coach is a complete asshole, the developmental staff are clueless, the medical/training staffs are incompetent, the roster is pathetic and the prospect cupboard is nearly bare. And, to top it off, they will have all of one pick among the top 70 or so selections at the draft.

There is nothing good about this franchise anymore.

Not only is the roster pathetic, it is full of extremely unlikable players.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Not only is the roster pathetic, it is full of extremely unlikable players.

Managed by extremely unlikable people, "advised" by extremely unlikable people.

 

[1865]

As someone who attended their first game in 1968, though I really don’t remember it (I was 3), and, more importantly, as someone who attended roughly 95% of home games between 1974 and 2004, I can say with 100% percent conviction that this is as bad as it gets.

I have been angry before, frustrated before, devastated before, but never have I just felt like giving up because it was hopeless. Ownership doesn’t care, the GM is a clueless lackey, the senior advisors are way past their expiration date, the heir apparent seems to be yet another clueless toady, the head coach is a complete asshole, the developmental staff are clueless, the medical/training staffs are incompetent, the roster is pathetic and the prospect cupboard is nearly bare. And, to top it off, they will have all of one pick among the top 70 or so selections at the draft.

There is nothing good about this franchise anymore.

You're right, there is no worse position than where we are. If you're 30th overall at least you can be optimistic about the picks you'll get and your chances in the lottery. You can see the sun rising over the distant horizon. We have nothing except old players on long contracts. We have one legit prospect and barely a couple of roster players worth a damn. With this clown in charge we'll get nothing for the forseeable either. An eternity of constant below-average plodding, the Chuck Fletcher trademark. He's not even good enough to be bad.

 

[deadhead]

Old players on long-term contracts?

Ellis is basically a permanent LTIR.
Couts has 7 years
Hayes 3 years but may be gone
Atkinson 2 years
JVR gone

Risto (29) 4 years
Laughton (29) 3 years
Snaheim (27) 7 years

 

[kudymen]

yet another clueless toady

 

[Flyerfan4life]

hey hey that 11th overall pick this year

plan the SC parade..

haha..

 

[Chinatown88]

As someone who attended their first game in 1968, though I really don’t remember it (I was 3), and, more importantly, as someone who attended roughly 95% of home games between 1974 and 2004, I can say with 100% percent conviction that this is as bad as it gets.

I have been angry before, frustrated before, devastated before, but never have I just felt like giving up because it was hopeless. Ownership doesn’t care, the GM is a clueless lackey, the senior advisors are way past their expiration date, the heir apparent seems to be yet another clueless toady, the head coach is a complete asshole, the developmental staff are clueless, the medical/training staffs are incompetent, the roster is pathetic and the prospect cupboard is nearly bare. And, to top it off, they will have all of one pick among the top 70 or so selections at the draft.

There is nothing good about this franchise anymore.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

They could still do a Hayes trade today. Maybe Columbus said no, but I do hope they're still trying.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

They could still do a Hayes trade today. Maybe Columbus said no, but I do hope they're still trying.

they arent trying, chuckles doesnt know that you can still make trades after the deadline

 

[ponder719]

they arent trying, chuckles doesnt know that you can still make trades after the deadline

How can we expect a man who doesn't know you can make trades before the deadline to understand you can still make them after?

 

[wasup]

Trying to compare Cates and Frost is like comparing apples to oranges . Frost is the far superior skills guy but his brain has to catch up with his hands and feet . Point and case , last night he enters the offensive zone with the puck spins back and throws a pass right to the Detroit guy who in turns goes right down and scores their only goal they got . He makes some high skill passes and plays but needs to make the safer play in certain situations . With playing time I think and hope this will come around .

Cates is the defensively smart player which is exacty what Tort's is in love with . He reminds me a lot of Andrew Copp who use to play for Winnipeg then Rangers and now the Red Wings . Copp has more offense in him by a bit but is a 3rd line center at best . Winnipeg knew this and now Detroit is learning this . He is good on pk a good shut down guy and a guy you put out when you have a lead late in games but no pp or ot or put out late in game when you are down .

Tort's loves his D side smarts so thinks the more he puts him out in offensive role that he will learn it . Problem is he has never been a skill guy or had and offense at any higher level . If you gave him Allisons mins and ice time usage he would not have 10 points this year . Square peg round hole .

Hopefully with time Frost can figure things out and become a decent second line center and Tort's is smart enough to figure out Cates and put him in his proper spot .

I thought the other day vs the Rangers when he put Frost with Tippet and Farabee that is a potential second line going Forward and had Cates with Laughton and Allison that is a good shut down third line that could chip in here and there . It lasted one game and Tort's with all his wisdom f***s it up the next game as usual .

 

[BiggE]

Expecting proper and smart player usage from Torts is akin to expecting savvy trading and FA signings from Cuck.

Good luck with that

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

It's hard to believe that a team that kept lying about being a play-off contender has failed so hard and then compounded this by having the worst tank-deadline of all time. That fifth round pick will surely come in handy.

Now we'll probably have enough talent left on the roster to climb up to that desirable 14th overall pick and turn this into a completely and totally wasted season. Great work Chuck, it's not at all gobsmacking that you're still employed.

It’s really not hard to believe. This is the way the Flyers have operated for decades.

 

[Chinatown88]

Stupid thought/question didn't backread everything. But if this guy uses an app for player values and stuff how did it come up with the conclusion that Ristolainen is the savior of the defense? Unless it wasn't fully developed when this clown made that acquisition.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Now Torts is a moron & Chuck is dumb FOR using analytics.

For F’s sake.

There was nothing in Al Capone’s vault.
But it wasn’t Geraldo’s fault.
D’oh!

 

[Magua]

Stupid thought/question didn't backread everything. But if this guy uses an app for player values and stuff how did it come up with the conclusion that Ristolainen is the savior of the defense? Unless it wasn't fully developed when this clown made that acquisition.

He clicked "No."

 

[kudymen]

I see a strawman over there. What a surprise, arguing just to hear self talking heh