2022/23 Roster Thread XIX: 19th Nervous Breakdown

[Chicken N Raffls]

Didn't Bee come out after just 1 year? I don't know if this says anything about them comparatively. I'm curious what the people who follow prospects think about this. Is this best for his development? Does this mean he won't be as good as Farabee?

 

[Rebels57]

Didn't Bee come out after just 1 year? I don't know if this says anything about them comparatively. I'm curious what the people who follow prospects think about this. Is this best for his development? Does this mean he won't be as good as Farabee?

Less time with Torts = good for his development

 

[CutOnDime97]

Less time with Torts = good for his development

Less time with Lappy = even better

 

[deadhead]

Didn't Bee come out after just 1 year? I don't know if this says anything about them comparatively. I'm curious what the people who follow prospects think about this. Is this best for his development? Does this mean he won't be as good as Farabee?

Different positions, different expectations.

Gauthier could probably play LW in the NHL right now and score 20 goals with his shot
But that's the fall back, worst case, he ends up as a goal scoring wing.

They'd like to see him develop at center in a low pressure situation, so staying in college allows him to focus on playing the position instead of trying to impress his coaches that he's NHL ready.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Less time with Lappy = even better

less time in Flyers Org. = best outcome for him

 

[Starat327]

The Flyers have 2 20g scorers on their roster currently but the kid who has never played a game at the professional level is an automatic 20g scorer.

Weren't we just recently told about how the "hive" exaggerates prospect impact like....a week ago?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Friedman was on Nasty Knuckles today. He thinks Hart could be traded. Organization really likes Ersson & just not sure if they want to pay Hart his next contract given where the team is likely headed with rebuild. He doesn’t think Konecny will be traded but didn’t rule it out. He still thinks Provorov goes. He said the team & player both want a departure at this point. He did say the organization still likes Sanheim.

 

[deadhead]

That makes sense.

Hart is a very good, but not elite goalie, maybe he'll take the next step, maybe he won't.
If they can get a big offer for him, they might bite.
I think they'd like to know if Fedotov can escape Russia after his year of service, if they had Fedotov and Kosolov in LHV, they might be willing to go with Ersson and Sandstrom next season.

Provorov doesn't surprise me, they have too many LHDs, Sanheim is here to stay, Torts likes Zamula, Andrae has come over and York prefers the left side.

Torts may like Laughton, but Cates and Desnoyers makes him expendable and he'll be 29 next year.

Hayes playing well at center to finish the season will make him easier to move.

TK is the tough decision, they could wait a year, but he has maximum with two years left on his current contract. Or they could extend him and make him a cornerstone player - will he hold up physically?

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers have 2 20g scorers on their roster currently but the kid who has never played a game at the professional level is an automatic 20g scorer.

Weren't we just recently told about how the "hive" exaggerates prospect impact like....a week ago?

And he's pretty much strictly a perimeter shooter.

 

[pit]

Not sure what thread this really belongs in, but why not here?

 

[Starat327]

And he's pretty much strictly a perimeter shooter.

Definitely the hf prospect experts who said he was... a mid 6 player fault for him overhyping Cutter, though. Not his own exaggerated expectations.

 

[freakydallas13]

Friedman was on Nasty Knuckles today. He thinks Hart could be traded. Organization really likes Ersson & just not sure if they want to pay Hart his next contract given where the team is likely headed with rebuild. He doesn’t think Konecny will be traded but didn’t rule it out. He still thinks Provorov goes. He said the team & player both want a departure at this point. He did say the organization still likes Sanheim.

There is also Fedotov lurking out there somewhere, but who knows if we'll ever actually be able to bring him over.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Friedman was on Nasty Knuckles today. He thinks Hart could be traded. Organization really likes Ersson & just not sure if they want to pay Hart his next contract given where the team is likely headed with rebuild. He doesn’t think Konecny will be traded but didn’t rule it out. He still thinks Provorov goes. He said the team & player both want a departure at this point. He did say the organization still likes Sanheim.

Smart logic n Hart, no so smart logic on TK. How can yu move Hart but not TK based on where they are at?

They wont move Ivan unless he pretty much ask for it. Hopefully he has or at least given some indication.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

That makes sense.

Hart is a very good, but not elite goalie, maybe he'll take the next step, maybe he won't.
If they can get a big offer for him, they might bite.
I think they'd like to know if Fedotov can escape Russia after his year of service, if they had Fedotov and Kosolov in LHV, they might be willing to go with Ersson and Sandstrom next season.

Provorov doesn't surprise me, they have too many LHDs, Sanheim is here to stay, Torts likes Zamula, Andrae has come over and York prefers the left side.

Torts may like Laughton, but Cates and Desnoyers makes him expendable and he'll be 29 next year.

Hayes playing well at center to finish the season will make him easier to move.

TK is the tough decision, they could wait a year, but he has maximum with two years left on his current contract. Or they could extend him and make him a cornerstone player - will he hold up physically?

Laughton is playing wing. SO comparing him to those 2 seems a little off. Laughton is not being moved.

Not a tough decision. No way you give him an 8 year ext. That would be plain dumb. The team that trades for TK gets 2 playoff runs with him. You do it now. No need to wait unless the offer are crap. Did they ever say what is wrong with TK?

Sandstrom will not be back; unless he is ok playing in LHV. It is clear the coaches do not trust him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Definitely the hf prospect experts who said he was... a mid 6 player fault for him overhyping Cutter, though. Not his own exaggerated expectations.

We've seen how this goes. Most recently with Frost. Gauthier becomes exactly what it was predicted he could be, and the people who wildly overhyped him blame the people who got it right for overhyping him when they didn't.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Smart logic n Hart, no so smart logic on TK. How can yu move Hart but not TK based on where they are at?

They wont move Ivan unless he pretty much ask for it. Hopefully he has or at least given some indication.

Friedman never really mentioned anything about Konecny’s looming contract status. Obviously Konecny could make this all for naught by telling them he’s not re-signing with them going through a rebuild. He made it seem like as of now the plan isn’t to trade him. He made it seem like they’re infatuated with Konecny’s intangibles.

Piecing together other information. ASF said awhile ago that Tortorella wanted Ersson on the roster coming out of camp. Management agreed that he’s close to the NHL but said for development sake he needs to play as much games as possible which wouldn’t be the case in the NHL with Hart there. Friedman said something similar on this podcast. He said the Flyers want a viable pathway for Ersson to potentially get 40+ starts but with Hart in the fold that is pretty tough to do. That was another point he made in reasoning for potentially moving on from Hart.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Friedman never really mentioned anything about Konecny’s looming contract status. Obviously Konecny could make this all for naught by telling them he’s not re-signing with them going through a rebuild. He made it seem like as of now the plan isn’t to trade him. He made it seem like they’re infatuated with Konecny’s intangibles.

Piecing together other information. ASF said awhile ago that Tortorella wanted Ersson on the roster coming out of camp. Management agreed that he’s close to the NHL but said for development sake he needs to play as much games as possible which wouldn’t be the case in the NHL with Hart there. Friedman said something similar on this podcast. He said the Flyers want a viable pathway for Ersson to potentially get 40+ starts but with Hart in the fold that is pretty tough to do. That was another point he made in reasoning for potentially moving on from Hart.

I'll be really curious to see what we can get for Hart and Provorov, and to see if we have a GM who can negotiate. Hopefully they'll come to their senses and move Konecny, too. Moving TK and Hart should help us avoid some wins next season.

 

[Lindberg]

Friedman was on Nasty Knuckles today. He thinks Hart could be traded. Organization really likes Ersson & just not sure if they want to pay Hart his next contract given where the team is likely headed with rebuild. He doesn’t think Konecny will be traded but didn’t rule it out. He still thinks Provorov goes. He said the team & player both want a departure at this point. He did say the organization still likes Sanheim.

Provorov wants out? The guy this organization gave every chance to be their savior?

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Am I going crazy? Wasn't Gauthier always stated to be a one and done?

I'm fine with him staying, but I'm pretty sure that was the rhetoric all along?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Friedman never really mentioned anything about Konecny’s looming contract status. Obviously Konecny could make this all for naught by telling them he’s not re-signing with them going through a rebuild. He made it seem like as of now the plan isn’t to trade him. He made it seem like they’re infatuated with Konecny’s intangibles.

Piecing together other information. ASF said awhile ago that Tortorella wanted Ersson on the roster coming out of camp. Management agreed that he’s close to the NHL but said for development sake he needs to play as much games as possible which wouldn’t be the case in the NHL with Hart there. Friedman said something similar on this podcast. He said the Flyers want a viable pathway for Ersson to potentially get 40+ starts but with Hart in the fold that is pretty tough to do. That was another point he made in reasoning for potentially moving on from Hart.

That's what I didn't get with Sanheim. Why re-sign? Just comfortable with his role here i guess,. Granted hard to pass up all that money, though it would have been there in free agency. Probably a little less.

Damn straight they love his intangibles. Again not wanting to move him shows me there is no rebuild.

As for the goalie situation. Ersson is still a total unknown. I still look to move Hart regardless. Money and time line don't add up. Though goalie values fluctuate.

What can you get for Hart is the question? What would you move him for?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sanheim staying here was an idiotic career move on his part. I guess he has loyalty and all, but yeesh.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Am I going crazy? Wasn't Gauthier always stated to be a one and done?

I'm fine with him staying, but I'm pretty sure that was the rhetoric all along?

It may have been, but I also think that had a lot to do with Chuck wanting to push him to leave school after one year. Briere may have convinced him to stay in school at least one more year.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

That's what I didn't get with Sanheim. Why re-sign? Just comfortable with his role here i guess,. Granted hard to pass up all that money, though it would have been there in free agency. Probably a little less.

Damn straight they love his intangibles. Again not wanting to move him shows me there is no rebuild.

As for the goalie situation. Ersson is still a total unknown. I still look to move Hart regardless. Money and time line don't add up. Though goalie values fluctuate.

What can you get for Hart is the question? What would you move him for?

They weren’t fully committed to a full on rebuild yet when Sanheim re-signed either. Players are generally a lot more optimistic about things then fans/media for better or worse. Obviously financial & off the ice reasons factor in as well.

If noteworthy guys start to get shipped out though & the losing continues that could make Konecny want to look for greener pastures.

I think part of the issue is the Flyers are obsessed with “culture” then another part is you have Tortorella in place with more than usual input. Guys like Konecny, Laughton, Seeler, etc. are “his guys” but they’re also some of the more tradeable assets the Flyers have.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

They weren’t fully committed to a full on rebuild yet when Sanheim re-signed either. Players are generally a lot more optimistic about things then fans/media for better or worse. Obviously financial & off the ice reasons factor in as well.

If noteworthy guys start to get shipped out though & the losing continues that could make Konecny want to look for greener pastures.

I think part of the issue is the Flyers are obsessed with “culture” then another part is you have Tortorella in place with more than usual input. Guys like Konecny, Laughton, Seeler, etc. are “his guys” but they’re also some of the more tradeable assets the Flyers have.

Yep correct on Sanheim. Another chuck blunder.

Losing has been ingrained in these guy like TK Ivan Sanheim and the like. They have accepted it. Me knowing the money will be there would want out 100%. My take is these player are comfortable and believe it or not there is no pressure to win or play in philly imo. They have it easy here compared to other markets. Hockey is so far on the back burner.

The flipside is when 40+ million is thrown in your face that changes things quick.

The way Torts talks leads me to believe he will have a lot of say on the roster and moves they make. Torts despite his talk, which he is just trying to separate himself from any blame, will do what is best for him going forward. He will want to get to the playoffs next year 100% imo.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

It may have been, but I also think that had a lot to do with Chuck wanting to push him to leave school after one year. Briere may have convinced him to stay in school at least one more year.

I think you are right