2022/23 Roster Thread XIX: 19th Nervous Breakdown

[Lindberg]

Comcast is shitting their pants right now. Hope things don’t get too crazy with all those people or we could see a riot.

Is that all the fans that are left?

 

[deadhead]

Michael Jordan never took the Wizards on a deep playoff run.

Come to think of it, neither did Bobby Clarke take another team on a deep playoff run.

Maybe they are the same.

Flyers lost in the SC Finals in 1975-76 and 1979-80.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Flyers lost in the SC Finals in 1975-76 and 1979-80.

“Another team.”

Meaning another franchise.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Michael Jordan never took the Wizards on a deep playoff run.

Come to think of it, neither did Bobby Clarke take another team on a deep playoff run.

Maybe they are the same.

Clarke has zero Cups without Bernie

 

[Magua]

Comcast is shitting their pants right now. Hope things don’t get too crazy with all those people or we could see a riot.

Surely, these 10 people have something better to do on a Saturday afternoon.

 

[deadhead]

And Cooper hasn't won a Cup without Vasilevskiv.

Problem was Flyers never replaced Parent.
Pete Peeters for 3 years, a good but not great goalie (had his career year in Boston after leaving the Flyers before falling back to mediocrity).
Pelle Lindbergh & Bob Froese
Clarke retired the season before Lindbergh was hitting his peak, then Lindbergh hit a wall at 100 MPH that summer.

 

[freakydallas13]

And Cooper hasn't won a Cup without Vasilevskiv.

I guess that means both Cooper and Clarke aren't Michael Jordan then. You sure showed us.

 

[Lindberg]

Al does make a few interesting points here. I'd imagine he knows a little bit of information and just frames it as "his opinion".

 

[Striiker]

Surely, these 10 people have something better to do on a Saturday afternoon.

I just had some coffee cake and I’m confident I did just as much to fix the Flyers as their protest.

 

[ajgoal]

Surely, these 10 people have something better to do on a Saturday afternoon.

There's a Flyers game on.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Surely, these 10 people have something better to do on a Saturday afternoon.

Probably Stepford fans from South Philly protesting the possibility of Comcast rid the Bullies from the front office.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

How many goals are the Flyers going to score on this seven game homestand?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

How many goals are the Flyers going to score on this seven game homestand?

according to Torts.. 1 per game max. ..

hahaa

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Well, nothing wrong with the calculation, just the valuation of TDA.
This is about what Hextall paid to move up to #35 to take Ratcliffe.

What does a pick in 2017 have to do with picks traded for TDA in 2022?

 

[Lindberg]

What does a pick in 2017 have to do with picks traded for TDA in 2022?

Gotta be able to blame Hextall somehow.

Did you know Bobby Clarke wanted to draft Makar? Or was it Heiskanen? Heck it could have been Cairo Makanen.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hayes was overpaid, so were Ghost, JVR and Voracek.
Pre-COVID contracts predicated on a rising cap.
The fact that none of these contracts were claimed in the ED (if they had positive value, they'd be claimed and flipped for assets) or on waivers says they were all bad contracts.

Braun was fine for a year, that's what he was brought in for, and got a 3rd back. Cheap "win now" move.
Niskanen was fine, then retired, best D-man we've had since Kimmo.

What Fletcher did in 2019 was what he was hired to do, by Holmgren, with specific instructions, signed off by the PTB - so if you didn't like those moves - the problem was the FO and their desire to "be competitive" and end the rebuild (which had been half-hearted in the first place).

Summer of 2021 and spring of 2022, that's on Fletcher.


I overestimated Hextall b/c I listened to the "experts" on prospects on this board. Obvious mistake.

AV was a good coach for a season, then mailed it in when he saw the team wasn't good enough to go deep into the playoffs.
(funny thing, people obsess over Ghost, but AV's failure with Gustaffson was more costly, Wash turned him into a top 4 D-man and then flipped him for a 1st and Sandin, Ghost got a distant 3rd)

Hakstol was a good coach getting an 85-90 point team to the playoffs twice in four years, now he's turned around a mediocre expansion team and may get them into the playoffs. May not like his style, but he did more with less.

Clarke had Fletcher hired to make the team good. He promptly made the team bad. He wasn't hired to make the team bad.

The entire problem is that the Cronies think a failure like Fletcher could build a good team to begin with.

 

[trostol]

why..just..why?

 

[Magua]

Couturier admittedly trained lightly all summer, after his first surgery in February '22, and got re-injured before camp even started. I don't know what's right or wrong for his health (shoutout not seeing the medical records), playing or not playing. Worth mention: skating with the team isn't necessarily playing in games.

I do know that there's absolutely no reason for this team to re-add Couturier and Konecny to have a dead cat bounce in the last 16 games. There's no positives. Even if Couturier got in 5-7 games in April, that doesn't mean shit for being prepared next October.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

adding cooter and TK backin in a lost season is peak Flyers..

if Briere allows it he truely is no different from the rest

 

[ponder719]

Couturier admittedly trained lightly all summer, after his first surgery in February '22, and got re-injured before camp even started. I don't know what's right or wrong for his health (shoutout not seeing the medical records), playing or not playing. Worth mention: skating with the team isn't necessarily playing in games.

I do know that there's absolutely no reason for this team to re-add Couturier and Konecny to have a dead cat bounce in the last 16 games. There's no positives. Even if Couturier got in 5-7 games in April, that doesn't mean shit for being prepared next October.

Holding out hope for the bold.

I could maybe see a potential morale benefit to them playing in game 82, if it's not materially significant for positioning. (Especially if the plan is for Couts to be named captain, having the team end the season with an actual captain on the ice might be nice.) Beyond that, please just have them sit.

 

[ugiswrong]

A third Coots re-injury would clarify the needs of the front office this summer, so sure throw him in there.

 

[mja]

I overestimated Hextall b/c I listened to the "experts" on prospects on this board. Obvious mistake.

AV was a good coach for a season, then mailed it in when he saw the team wasn't good enough to go deep into the playoffs.
(funny thing, people obsess over Ghost, but AV's failure with Gustaffson was more costly, Wash turned him into a top 4 D-man and then flipped him for a 1st and Sandin, Ghost got a distant 3rd)

Hakstol was a good coach getting an 85-90 point team to the playoffs twice in four years, now he's turned around a mediocre expansion team and may get them into the playoffs. May not like his style, but he did more with less.

But you didn't and still don't listen to the "experts" on prospects on this board. You get way ahead of them every time with wildly optimistic projections. Myers, Twarynski, Aube-Kubel, Ratcliffe, Patrick, Sanheim, etc. Myers was a "unicorn" - something you were roundly mocked for. Twar was a surefire NHLer after a training camp - it's almost like TC is a terrible way to evaluate talent. Aube-Kubel was some sort of 2-way beast in the AHL. Ratcliffe was untouchable. Patrick was going to be better than Tavares as soon as his third season - again something you were roundly mocked for. And so on and so forth. Now you're making the same mistakes with the newest crop of prospects, despite the people who actually watch these guys play telling you to pump the breaks.

There's a reason that a common refrain of the "experts" is the need to draft in bulk, because scouting is inherently an imperfect art rather than a science and because shit happens--injuries, cancer, migraines, a flawed developmental process, etc. And to draft in bulk you need draft picks, and yet every time we ship out a 2nd for a used band aid you call it a nothingburger.

And AV was a shit coach. Hakstol was a shit coach who held his team back, making the playoffs twice (on the back of a guy you said was washed-up) but Hak being completely outclassed both times is not to his credit. I have no idea what Hak is or isn't doing in Seattle - unlike some people, I don't feel the need to "know" shit I don't know - but the West is as weak as Chuck Fletcher's chin. And that's really you to a T, you feel compelled to "know" shit you don't know. Hence, why you are constantly wrong. Maybe you should take a step back and reflect?

 

[Starat327]

A third Coots re-injury would clarify the needs of the front office this summer, so sure throw him in there.

If this front office hasn't already started succession planning for their 30 yesr old center who missed large portions of the last two seasons due to back injuries, than we have a much more incompetent front office than originally expected.

So yes, we have a wildly incompetent front office. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the idea that Cates makes losihg Couturier not a problem. In which case you're just bad at hockey evaluations.

But you didn't and still don't listen to the "experts" on prospects on this board. You get way ahead of them every time with wildly optimistic projections. Myers, Twarynski, Aube-Kubel, Ratcliffe, Patrick, Sanheim, etc. Myers was a "unicorn" - something you were roundly mocked for. Twar was a surefire NHLer after a training camp - it's almost like TC is a terrible way to evaluate talent. Aube-Kubel was some sort of 2-way beast in the AHL. Ratcliffe was untouchable. Patrick was going to be better than Tavares as soon as his third season - again something you were roundly mocked for. And so on and so forth. Now you're making the same mistakes with the newest crop of prospects, despite the people who actually watch these guys play telling you to pump the breaks.

There's a reason that a common refrain of the "experts" is the need to draft in bulk, because scouting is inherently an imperfect art rather than a science and because shit happens--injuries, cancer, migraines, a flawed developmental process, etc. And to draft in bulk you need draft picks, and yet every time we ship out a 2nd for a used band aid you call it a nothingburger.

And AV was a shit coach. Hakstol was a shit coach who held his team back, making the playoffs twice (on the back of a guy you said was washed-up) but Hak being completely outclassed both times is not to his credit. I have no idea what Hak is or isn't doing in Seattle - unlike some people, I don't feel the need to "know" shit I don't know - but the West is as weak as Chuck Fletcher's chin. And that's really you to a T, you feel compelled to "know" shit you don't know. Hence, why you are constantly wrong. Maybe you should take a step back and reflect?

Edit: Let me know if I telegraph this one correctly: "you think I'm going to take the advice of a bunch of forum posters over professional scouts?!?"

 

[mja]

Edit: Let me know if I telegraph this one correctly: "you think I'm going to take the advice of a bunch of forum posters over professional scouts?!?"

He made a mistake overestimating Hextall because he listened too much to the draft “experts” on this forum.