2022/23 Roster Thread XIV: Season's Beatings

[nacc BLOCC]

You don't "fire him," you promote Briere with an informal understanding that he has full authority as GM, and Chuck is basically a figure head. So publicly it's about Briere, not Chuck, behind the scenes Chuck's ball are in a bottle on the shelf.

Is his other one in your mouth?

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Gotchu

Oh man he got worked. This brings me much joy.

Him and TDA both took an ass whooping and then got injured shortly after.

 

[trostol]

does anyone else in any sport have as much..."say" in their organization as Clarke does..yes..we get it ..greatest Flyer ever..but its time to kick him to the curb

 

[GapToothedWonder]

does anyone else in any sport have as much..."say" in their organization as Clarke does..yes..we get it ..greatest Flyer ever..but its time to kick him to the curb

@Striiker just woke up in a cold sweat and he doesn't know why.

 

[Striiker]

@Striiker just woke up in a cold sweat and he doesn't know why.

 

[flyersnorth]

ASF said in that podcast that Comcast is fully aware there’s no shot in hell they can successfully sell Fletcher staying in any capacity to the fanbase.

He made it seem like Clarke doesn’t give a shit about that aspect & wants Fletcher to stay on in the president role. He made it seem like Dave Scott while he really likes Fletcher personally isn’t ignoring the business aspect of it.

For f***'s sake.... does *anyone* in the organization care about success?

Is everyone just suffering Stockholm syndrome over there??

To Minnesota Chuck Fletcher and Risto

To Philadelphia future considerations

Make it happen

You know what? I don't even want the future considerations. Let's make it a "Chuck special" and get absolutely nothing in return.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

What would the cap implications be if we waived Risto?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What would the cap implications be if we waived Risto?

They'd save $1,125,000 on the cap for 22-23 so $3,975,000 would stay on the books.

 

[Curufinwe]

It is amazing that we have got another Andrew MacDonald situation, but it's with a defender who doesn't look or play anything like AMac did on the ice, and is actually a significantly worse defenseman than AMac was.

As a 32 year old with the end of his career just around the corner, MacDonald still managed 9 points in 47 games as a 3rd pairing guy on a bad Flyers team. Rist0 can't even manage that type of effort as a 28 year old in the first year of a five year deal!

 

[flyersnorth]

Flyers have $24M+ (28%) of their cap committed to this defense.

That's the 9th highest in the league. That doesn't include a $6.5M long-term squatter.

Do they have a defense that is anywhere near top 10?

They have the 20th most expensive forward cap hit - and even that is too high for what they're icing.

But we should keep Fletcher as President. He's done a marvelous job, what with asset management, cap management, player signings, player trades.

The only positive that can come out of this Fletcher tenure at this point is Bedard, Michkov, or Fantilli.

The cherry on top is if a new Flyers GM is making that pick, flanked by a President that is not Fletcher.

 

[Curufinwe]

Zero points from $25,975,000 worth of Fletcher acquisitions/signings

Atkinson
Braun
Couturier
Ellis
Ristolainen

 

[tucson83]

The biggest threat imo is Briere. He’s not coming in, and making changes. If Fletcher is to go, Briere needs to be gone as well.

This needs an external hire, not more incest.

Tulsky, and Darche are obvious candidates I guess. MacFarland was sadly locked up by the Avs I think. To not even hear of men being considered outside of Briere is alarming. O'Connor stated today that there were men in the Flyers org that believed this was a good team, if they just shifted their attitude - and elevated their compete level.

Those voices aren't going anywhere if Briere is chosen. Nothing changes. Lappy, Lombardi, Barber, Hanrahan, Dave Brown, Samuelsson, or McCauley aren't on the hot seat if Danny takes over.

with all of this complaining about losing, you are saying you are going to alot happier with a tear down when it means losing for another 6+ years if you bring in tulsky or darche like how is that going to make things better?

with briere, he's the one that has the say in the player management, no one else. if anything, fletch will probably get kicked upstairs and he will collect a paycheck for another year and not do anything, if he was fletch 2.0 why does torts like him over fletch? why does montreal and so many teams wanted him if he wasnt that good?

they could have easily resigned fletch and not brought in briere, if organization didnt want changes, heck if they brought in tulsky or darche, you still be thinking they would be puppets because fletch is still part of organization for another year.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

They'd save $1,125,000 on the cap for 22-23 so $3,975,000 would stay on the books.

How about next year? (Future years)

 

[Beef Invictus]

with all of this complaining about losing, you are saying you are going to alot happier with a tear down when it means losing for another 6+ years if you bring in tulsky or darche like how is that going to make things better?

with briere, he's the one that has the say in the player management, no one else. if anything, fletch will probably get kicked upstairs and he will collect a paycheck for another year and not do anything, if he was fletch 2.0 why does torts like him over fletch? why does montreal and so many teams wanted him if he wasnt that good?

they could have easily resigned fletch and not brought in briere, if organization didnt want changes, heck if they brought in tulsky or darche, you still be thinking they would be puppets because fletch is still part of organization for another year.

They will never hire an outsider without a revolution. They will never yield power. Hextall traumatized them.l by ignoring them. Briere is more of the same or he wouldn't be their hand selected heir.

They've already been losing for a decade. Without firing the entire front office they'll easily lose for many more years to come before having to start a rebuild for real. An entire organizational rebuild.

Would you rather get it over with now or do you want the team to suck even longer?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

How about next year? (Future years)

The amount of cap savings is calculated as league minimum + $375k.

So in 23/24 the league minimum goes up from $750k to $775k so the cap savings would be $1.15M.

Same for 24/25 and 25/26.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Zero points from $25,975,000 worth of Fletcher acquisitions/signings

Atkinson
Braun
Couturier
Ellis
Ristolainen

now that is some quality signings there

 

[deadhead]

Risto last 20 games, xGF 51.80%, xGFrel +3.68.
Some of that on the 3rd pair with Seeler, but a number of games on the 1st pair with Provorov.
16:23 at 5x5, Provorov 18:17, Sanheim 17:28, TDA 17:26 (York 16:40), Braun 14:38, Seeler 13:46. So he's not being sheltered.
xGF/60: 2.28. Which isn't great but doesn't make him an offensive black hole, either
Ghost for example has a xGF/60: 2.39 on a more wide open offense.

We'll see if he can maintain this play, but it's good enough to make him a useful "body" on defense, and better than he's looked his entire career. The contract is what it is, going forward if he can at least be a solid 3rd pair guy who can play up in the lineup he'll have some value and be easier to move down the road.

If Shaw can turn Risto into a respectable D-man, extend the man!
Anyone can coach a Makar, but turning sows' ears into silk purses is quite a trick.

 

[Striiker]

Didn't you guys know that if you try to rebuild properly you have to sign a contract guaranteeing that you'll keep losing for 6+ years?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The Flyers couldn't coach a Makar.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Risto last 20 games, xGF 51.80%, xGFrel +3.68.
Some of that on the 3rd pair with Seeler, but a number of games on the 1st pair with Provorov.
16:23 at 5x5, Provorov 18:17, Sanheim 17:28, TDA 17:26 (York 16:40), Braun 14:38, Seeler 13:46. So he's not being sheltered.
xGF/60: 2.28. Which isn't great but doesn't make him an offensive black hole, either
Ghost for example has a xGF/60: 2.39 on a more wide open offense.

We'll see if he can maintain this play, but it's good enough to make him a useful "body" on defense, and better than he's looked his entire career. The contract is what it is, going forward if he can at least be a solid 3rd pair guy who can play up in the lineup he'll have some value and be easier to move down the road.

If Shaw can turn Risto into a respectable D-man, extend the man!
Anyone can coach a Makar, but turning sows' ears into silk purses is quite a trick.

You're not watching the games, are you?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You're not watching the games, are you?

 

[deadhead]

You're not watching the games, are you?

I watch all the games. Risto has discovered that you're allowed to use your stick to break up plays, you don't have to hit everything that moves. And he's not out of position nearly as much as he used to be.

Sure he's made some bad mistakes, and Sanheim has had a number of costly turnovers in the D-zone.
But you have to look at overall play, Risto also blocks a lot of shots, and has played with more awareness around the net.

 

[Curufinwe]

Risto learned he should use his stick to dump the puck in while playing 3on3 OT.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I watch all the games. Risto has discovered that you're allowed to use your stick to break up plays, you don't have to hit everything that moves. And he's not out of position nearly as much as he used to be.

Sure he's made some bad mistakes, and Sanheim has had a number of costly turnovers in the D-zone.
But you have to look at overall play, Risto also blocks a lot of shots, and has played with more awareness around the net.

Lol this is just completely delusional. There's nothing more to say about it.

Why are you mentioning Sanheim? I'm even more sure now you aren't watching

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Lol this is just completely delusional. There's nothing more to say about it.

Why are you mentioning Sanheim? I'm even more sure now you aren't watching

Let's ask him what Keith Jones said after JVR's failed breakway...

That will be a good test.