2022/23 Roster Thread XIV: Season's Beatings

[JojoTheWhale]

"Good" vs "Bad" drafts from a media coverage perspective are usually defined by the first few picks. Obviously that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[mja]

That sure sounds like a hell of a lot of copium/Hopium to me…

*ducks*

I demand satisfaction. Meet me with your second at the Wells Fargo Center.

 

[BiggE]

Risto last 20 games, xGF 51.80%, xGFrel +3.68.
Some of that on the 3rd pair with Seeler, but a number of games on the 1st pair with Provorov.
16:23 at 5x5, Provorov 18:17, Sanheim 17:28, TDA 17:26 (York 16:40), Braun 14:38, Seeler 13:46. So he's not being sheltered.
xGF/60: 2.28. Which isn't great but doesn't make him an offensive black hole, either
Ghost for example has a xGF/60: 2.39 on a more wide open offense.

We'll see if he can maintain this play, but it's good enough to make him a useful "body" on defense, and better than he's looked his entire career. The contract is what it is, going forward if he can at least be a solid 3rd pair guy who can play up in the lineup he'll have some value and be easier to move down the road.

If Shaw can turn Risto into a respectable D-man, extend the man!
Anyone can coach a Makar, but turning sows' ears into silk purses is quite a trick.

No one cares about these silly stats in small sample sizes. They mean nothing. Our eyes can see that Fisto is bad at hockey and, since it’s a professional sport and a results based business, the most important stats, goals/assists/points, say it all.

You see, when you are being paid to be a top 4 D and you have zero points after a third of the season, that is not considered good. Yes, it’s that simple.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Fletcher is lazy and Flahr despises anything that may slow his eating by even a fraction of a calorie per minute. They dodged out of the COVID draft because scouting it would be difficult. They don't like doing work. Laziest moves possible all the time.

 

[Rebels57]

Anyone wanna guess why Sham Atkinson hasn't been on IR or LTIR at all this season?

We're 30 games in now, and he hasn't played a second in the pre season or the regular season. But he's been on the active roster the entire time, if I'm not mistaken. So technically, the Flyers have never declared him to be officially injured.

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Has any GM in history ever made as many moves in a row that spectacularly backfired as Charles Bias for Action Fletcher?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Anyone wanna guess why Sham Atkinson hasn't been on IR or LTIR at all this season?

We're 30 games in now, and he hasn't played a second in the pre season or the regular season. But he's been on the active roster the entire time, if I'm not mistaken. So technically, the Flyers have never declared him to be officially injured.

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I believe all that they’ve said is that Atkinson has asked the team to keep what is bothering him within the organization.

There also, IIRC, was contradicting statements by the organization stating that it’s an issue that Atkinson has had before and then through Carchidi or someone else it was said that it was something new.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Has any GM in history ever made as many moves in a row that spectacularly backfired as Charles Bias for Action Fletcher?

Bill Zito and Joe Sakic spring to mind immediately.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Has any GM in history ever made as many moves in a row that spectacularly backfired as Charles Bias for Action Fletcher?

I'd like to point out that Milbury, who is definitely an idiot, was in fact forced into a whole lot of bad moves by an owner who refused to spend money. Fletcher is making all these terrible moves without having to fill those internal restrictions. Unlike Milbury he has an open checkbook.

 

[Rebels57]

I'd like to point out that Milbury, who is definitely an idiot, was in fact forced into a whole lot of bad moves by an owner who refused to spend money. Fletcher is making all these terrible moves without having to fill those internal restrictions. Unlike Milbury he has an open checkbook.

Yeah Milbury and maaaybe Chiarelli are really the only comparables in the last, what, 30 years?

 

[Lindberg]

People who refuse to acknowledge the past are doomed to repeat it.

I'm working for a project manager who essentially just says "the past is the past", most incompetent manager I've met so far as an engineer.

The past is a great learning tool. You need to recognize the mistakes and learn from them.

 

[Cody Webster]

Risto last 20 games, xGF 51.80%, xGFrel +3.68.
Some of that on the 3rd pair with Seeler, but a number of games on the 1st pair with Provorov.
16:23 at 5x5, Provorov 18:17, Sanheim 17:28, TDA 17:26 (York 16:40), Braun 14:38, Seeler 13:46. So he's not being sheltered.
xGF/60: 2.28. Which isn't great but doesn't make him an offensive black hole, either
Ghost for example has a xGF/60: 2.39 on a more wide open offense.

We'll see if he can maintain this play, but it's good enough to make him a useful "body" on defense, and better than he's looked his entire career. The contract is what it is, going forward if he can at least be a solid 3rd pair guy who can play up in the lineup he'll have some value and be easier to move down the road.

If Shaw can turn Risto into a respectable D-man, extend the man!
Anyone can coach a Makar, but turning sows' ears into silk purses is quite a trick.

I love a 5.5 million dollar, 0 points on the season, signed for another 4 1/2 years, useful "body" on defense

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Has any GM in history ever made as many moves in a row that spectacularly backfired as Charles Bias for Action Fletcher?

even by pure accident you think hed have hit on something..

#facepalm

 

[Magua]

Ghost for example has a xGF/60: 2.39 on a more wide open offense.

Ghost in HIS arbitrary last 20 games has a +5.8 relxGF%. Thank you for making that point for us. He has *checks math* 21 more points.

When you need to use arbitrary 20 game samples with no context for a 0 point player, on a fresh $25 million contract, traded for the value of a top 10 pick, with 611 other games of league bottom play, to explain how he's not actually the worst.......I feel like that's a moment for self-reflection.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Has there ever been a 5 mill guy go the first 25 games in a season with zero points ?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Has there ever been a 5 mill guy go the first 25 games in a season with zero points ?

Probably a goalie.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Has there ever been a 5 mill guy go the first 25 games in a season with zero points ?

David Clarkson did it at the end of his first year with 1 point in 22ish games. And as a forward!

 

[Magua]

Has there ever been a 5 mill guy go the first 25 games in a season with zero points ?

I just remember Abdelkader, at forward but playing 7 minutes less, finishing his final season with 0 points in 39 games (0 goals and 3 assists in 49 games). He was making $4.25 mil in year 4 of a 7 year contract (!!!). Bought out right after. Feels like a good time to mention only 2 years earlier, he was on Team USA at the World Cup, coached by Torts and managed by Lombardi/Holmgren.

But I need to say: Ristolainen is not actually a defensive defenseman, and we should adjust expectations accordingly. He's, uh, a 0 point offensive defenseman! Yeah, that's it. Former 40 point guy donchaknow.



Only a year ago, everything seemed so simple.....

 

[Lindberg]

Good thing Ghost was moved from a team that needs offense only to be replaced with a far more expensive one. At what point will the league wake up and realize Risto isn't worth what some people think he is.

 

[Striiker]

Only a year ago, everything seemed so simple.....

And the reply

 

[DAVIDE1333]

Good thing Ghost was moved from a team that needs offense only to be replaced with a far more expensive one. At what point will the league wake up and realize Risto isn't worth what some people think he is.

Hopefully after we trade him.

 

[Curufinwe]

TD was leading the team in ice time, then he was a healthy scratch, but maybe he's actually banged up, and now he's attending to a personal matter, so that's why he's not playing as of last night.

It doesn't really matter so long as the f***nuts don't bench York when he comes back, but it's very messy.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Ristolainen is a zero-way defensemen.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

And the reply

not just a Zing but a hella supa zing for that guy...

what a horrendous HOTTake...

 

[BernieParent]

Seeler is also been the best defenseman on the Flyers per Evolving Hockey’s xGAR model, too… by a wide margin…

He has the 9th highest xGAR/60 in the league. They were talking about it on the last few podcasts as well.

Goals Above Ristolainen? The whole league is positive in this metric ... except for 2 of our very own boys!

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Good thing Ghost was moved from a team that needs offense only to be replaced with a far more expensive one. At what point will the league wake up and realize Risto isn't worth what some people think he is.

Hopefully not until after we trade him. So, in about 4 years.

Edit: @DAVIDE1333 beat me to it.