2022/23 Roster Thread XIV: Season's Beatings

[Fire Tortorella]

Tolvanen hasn't come close to living up to his post-draft expectations either.
I have no problem with Bellows, at worst he'll help LHV, 4 points in 4 games so far.
How often do these waiver wire 1st rd flogs turn it around?

MacEwen
Deslauriers
Willman
Braun
Bellows
Barratt
Hodgson
J. Cates
Brooks
Marody
Connauton
Belpedio

How many of these contracts are actually needed? There's 12 contracts here that are possibly redundant - in a season you don't exactly expect to compete, you're telling me you can't not sign or trade for 1 or 2 of these players to leave optionality in trades or waiver pick ups? Yes, some of these players are needed to fill out an AHL roster, but all of them? It's just so much slop with minimal upside.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

The only thing about Tippett is he has Tools, specifically his skating, and his AHL production was substantially better as a younger player. But you're not going to see me disagreeing that Fletcher loves to operate using archetypes. There's absolutely zero nuance to how he evaluates players. Lineups to him are like recipes for pumpkin pie.



I don't think Katy Perry is up to much, so sure.

That's who that is? Lol. Even better.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Tolvanen hasn't come close to living up to his post-draft expectations either.
I have no problem with Bellows, at worst he'll help LHV, 4 points in 4 games so far.
How often do these waiver wire 1st rd flogs turn it around?

Tolvanen not coming close to living up to draft hype still makes him better than Bellows or a million of the other dopes Fletch overpaid/prioritized.

THIS is the guy Fletch claimed



THIS is the guy Fletch *didn't* claim

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Tolvanen not coming close to living up to draft hype still makes him better than Bellows or a million of the other dopes Fletch overpaid/prioritized.

THIS is the guy Fletch claimed



THIS is the guy Fletch *didn't* claim

more red squares means we win right ?

hahaahah...

 

[flyerslducks]

MacEwen
Deslauriers
Willman
Braun
Bellows
Barratt
Hodgson
J. Cates
Brooks
Marody
Connauton
Belpedio

How many of these contracts are actually needed? There's 12 contracts here that are possibly redundant - in a season you don't exactly expect to compete, you're telling me you can't not sign or trade for 1 or 2 of these players to leave optionality in trades or waiver pick ups? Yes, some of these players are needed to fill out an AHL roster, but all of them? It's just so much slop with minimal upside.

we still have connauton? hahahahahah

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

we still have connauton? hahahahahah

Yeah his contract on the books next year too as Chuck gave him a two year deal coming off claiming him off waivers for god knows what reason.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

How is it possible that Tolvanen made it all the way to the Kraken?

Because of teams being at the cap and or max contracts

 

[flyerslducks]

Yeah his contract on the books next year too as Chuck gave him a two year deal coming off claiming him off waivers for god knows what reason.

 

[Curufinwe]

He would've done the same thing if he traded Risto at the deadline. Doesn't mean it wasn't the right move

The difference is Laughton is a useful player, who is paid appropriately and could be traded later, while Risto is a terrible player, with a cap hit at least twice as high as it should be who will have to be bought out or dumped with an asset.

 

[Rebels57]

Not sure on credibility

 

[Beef Invictus]

Not sure on credibility

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Buying out Fletcher UFA contracts is a bit of an NHL tradition. This is an easy prediction. Same is true for Risto.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Not sure on credibility

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I think he’s just speculating given everything that has gone on & the fact that no one will want that contract without a sweetener. I doubt they’d do it this off-season but the following if he’s still here I think it could be more feasible with just two years left.

 

[deadhead]

They may well keep Hayes around another season if Cates can cover for him defensively.
Once JVR is traded at the TDL, what proven scorers does this team have, TK, Hayes, Farabee. That's it.
Some young players may become reliable scorers? But when? And whom?
Atkinson and Couts may return, may be close to their old selves, or may not.

 

[Magua]

It's hard to believe Hayes should be bought out. There's no purpose extending the cap obligation further; cap space isn't even needed for a rebuild (well, uh, it shouldn't be ne-......oh, dear god). You gave out the contract, just lick the plate clean and accept it tastes like shit. If they think he's a locker room detriment, those are tears of laughter running down my cheek. But if there's a sucker GM out there not employed by the Philadelphia Flyers, then I guess that's a second door.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's hard to believe Hayes would be bought out. There's no purpose extending the cap obligation further; cap space isn't even needed for a rebuild (well, uh, it shouldn't be ne-......oh, dear god). You gave out the contract, just lick the plate clean and accept it tastes like shit. If there's a sucker GM out there not employed by the Philadelphia Flyers, then happy days.

Remember that the Cronies will still be in charge in a couple years and it will be a form of self-destructive tantrum, though. Like they're getting revenge on a Fletcher who will be a scapegoat by "humiliating" his star and chosen Franchise Face with a sack of guaranteed money.

 

[ajgoal]

It's hard to believe Hayes should be bought out. There's no purpose extending the cap obligation further; cap space isn't even needed for a rebuild (well, uh, it shouldn't be ne-......oh, dear god). You gave out the contract, just lick the plate clean and accept it tastes like shit. If they think he's a locker room detriment, those are tears of laughter running down my cheek. But if there's a sucker GM out there not employed by the Philadelphia Flyers, then I guess that's a second door.

Just because it makes no sense, doesn't make it hard to believe.

 

[trostol]

REBUILDING!!!!

can we start trading guys already

 

[Deadpool8812]

I think he’s just speculating given everything that has gone on & the fact that no one will want that contract without a sweetener. I doubt they’d do it this off-season but the following if he’s still here I think it could be more feasible with just two years left.

But why? No need for the cap space since this team ain't competing for years

 

[deadhead]

REBUILDING!!!!

can we start trading guys already

What's the rush? If you want value, be patient, some playoff team will have a string of injuries and be happy with a low cost, short-term fix.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Not sure on credibility

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If Chuck is replaced by another GM that isn't in the current posse and they can't trade his contract, I could see them eating the contract, especially if the cap goes up 4M next year.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

But why? No need for the cap space since this team ain't competing for years

I guess a scenario could present itself where the personal dynamics could call for a parting of ways given the likely brewing friction between Hayes & Tortorella.

This is pretty much why you don’t give players of Kevin Hayes’ caliber a contract like this in the first place because you often gonna find yourself in between a rock & hard place at some point before the thing ends.

 

[deadhead]

I guess a scenario could present itself where the personal dynamics could call for a parting of ways given the likely brewing friction between Hayes & Tortorella.

Except so far there isn't much evidence, Hayes is trying, he's just been allowed to play "arizona style (look ma, no defense)" for too long.
Torts is just trying to figure out how to "hide" him, Cates at center may be the answer, Couts would be better but . . .

There is zero reason to buy him out, if you have cap room, just b/c a player is overpaid doesn't mean they don't have value.
Flyers should clear out a lot of room the next two seasons, and they have no business even looking at expensive free agents.

 

[Deadpool8812]

I guess a scenario could present itself where the personal dynamics could call for a parting of ways given the likely brewing friction between Hayes & Tortorella.

This is pretty much why you don’t give players of Kevin Hayes’ caliber a contract like this in the first place because you often gonna find yourself in between a rock & hard place at some point before the thing ends.

The organization would just blow the money on another Hayeslike player

 

[Beef Invictus]

Except so far there isn't much evidence, Hayes is trying, he's just been allowed to play "arizona style (look ma, no defense)" for too long.
Torts is just trying to figure out how to "hide" him, Cates at center may be the answer, Couts would be better but . . .

There is zero reason to buy him out, if you have cap room, just b/c a player is overpaid doesn't mean they don't have value.
Flyers should clear out a lot of room the next two seasons, and they have no business even looking at expensive free agents.

Don't look now but those "no defense" Coyotes are just several good games from them and bad games from the Flyers away from being better defensively on the season. The gap isn't large at all.

Which is really sad considering Tortorella's focus is on defense. And so is all of Management's. Of course, as I outlined already, his defensive scheme is really easily exploited by a modern offense seeking to do more than bang perimeter shots because it isn't 2012 anymore. The problem with a defensive coach who has no idea how current offense works, is he has no prayer of successfully planning against it.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I'd rather just eat half of Hayes' salary and trade him for something than buy him out