2022/23 Roster Thread XIV: Season's Beatings

[Tarpongg]

Another marquee upChuck move looking stellar. Please make it stop

 

[Beef Invictus]

It’s still absolutely hilarious to me that Fletcher had Ghost sitting right in front of him and he decides he’d rather go out and add Gus, Yandle, and DeAngelo.

And just take massive L after L every step of the way.

 

[Magua]

As Ghost was on the worst offense in the league stat padding his way to 51 points, we were hit with truth bombs about how bad he was actually doing. He only had a +0.7 relxGF% paired with an AHLer. Detriment!

DeAngelo at -6.6% has the 13th worst relxGF% in the NHL, along with the 2nd worst relxGA/60, while primarily paired with Provorov (who, don't worry, isn't far behind!). 44 point pace, ain't it easy? Ghost is +3.5 relxGF%, pacing for 60+, if you're keeping score at home. Silence. You don't have to make up a comparison -- it's a direct one, with an obscene amounts of assets going out to get worse.

DeAngelo is a supremely skilled player; he's just a depth player on a roster that can hide his warts. Chuck Fletcher, on the 5th worst team facing an inevitable rebuild, chose to trade another high 2nd (his 4th now!) and a 3rd for a depth player over just playing York and letting it ride. But Fletcher outright said, upon the trade, DeAngelo would be a top pair player, so yet another whiff there. If Fletcher was a gambler in a Vegas casino, he'd have his fingers shattered with a hammer.

 

[Striiker]

And just take massive L after L every step of the way.

And yet still not one single admittance of fault or lesson learned.

They just blame COVID, injuries, and other random bullshit. Then make the same mistakes again.

That’s why, even though my expectations for Briere are in the dirt, I can’t imagine things getting any worse. If he does one single thing right, it’ll be an improvement over Fletcher.

 

[Curufinwe]

That Di Marco guy kept touting around that Slavin & Provorov are similar so it would be a good fit.

I mean, they both play ice hockey. That's kind of similar.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I don’t think DeAngelo is a bad player in a general sense. He’s always been a guy with extreme strengths (offense) & weaknesses (defense) despite the Flyers’ media mouthpieces trying say he’s not that bad defensively coming into this year. The Flyers just don’t have the organizational infrastructure whether it be roster or just general philosophy within it to get the best out of a player like DeAngelo like Carolina did.

The Flyers unsurprisingly bought high on a player that was redundant with where their roster was & was headed. The Flyers should definitely not be interested in extending him past his current contract. But you now have more expensive, older, & play trending down which is likely going to contribute to your selling him for less than your original paid price in a short turn around.

This is just another example of the Flyers running their hockey ops line a kid playing Xbox while Carolina runs theirs like it’s Wall Street.

 

[deadhead]

As Ghost was on the worst offense in the league stat padding his way to 51 points, we were hit with truth bombs about how bad he was actually doing. He only had a +0.7 relxGF% paired with an AHLer. Detriment!

DeAngelo at -6.6% has the 13th worst relxGF% in the NHL, along with the 2nd worst relxGA/60, while primarily paired with Provorov (who, don't worry, isn't far behind!). Ghost is +3.5 relxGF%, pacing for 60+, if you're keeping score at home. Silence. You don't have to make up a comparison -- it's a direct one, with an obscene amounts of assets going out.

DeAngelo is a supremely skilled player; he's just a depth player on a roster that can hide his warts. Chuck Fletcher, on the 5th worst team facing an inevitable rebuild, chose to trade another high 2nd (his 4th now!) and a 3rd for a depth player over just playing York and letting it ride. But Fletcher outright said, upon the trade, DeAngelo would be a top pair player, so yet another whiff there. If Fletcher was a gambler in a Vegas casino, he'd have his fingers shattered with a hammer.

Ghost is having a nice run since Chychrun returned, still 48.01% xGF over 8 games with the second best D-man on the Yotes.
Of couse, Valimaki and Moser have posted a 48.70% over 20 games.
In fact, Valimaki (picked up off waivers, former 1st rd pick) has been their best D-man, hands down.
The rest of the players on that defense are so bad Risto would probably be their 4th best D-man!

Problem for TDA is they don't have a good fit, he's look best with Seeler (SSS).
Our best pairs have been Sanheim - Braun and Seeler - Risto,
Problem is two-fold, those aren't pairs with a long-term future, and who do you pair with Provorov?
Provorov has looked awful with both TDA and Risto, Attard is probably the only other option later this year.
York did play on his right side last season (195 minutes), but has said he's more comfortable on the left side.

York wasn't the answer starting the season, he looked awful in TC and needed time in the AHL.
Same with Attard, who is still learning how to play defense (rover in college).

I don't think Torts has given up on TDA, he likes to bench struggling players, give them a chance to clear their heads, and then give them another chance. But his patience is not infinite.

 

[Striiker]

As Ghost was on the worst offense in the league stat padding his way to 51 points, we were hit with truth bombs about how bad he was actually doing. He only had a +0.7 relxGF% paired with an AHLer. Detriment!

DeAngelo at -6.6% has the 13th worst relxGF% in the NHL, along with the 2nd worst relxGA/60, while primarily paired with Provorov (who, don't worry, isn't far behind!). 44 point pace, ain't it easy? Ghost is +3.5 relxGF%, pacing for 60+, if you're keeping score at home. Silence. You don't have to make up a comparison -- it's a direct one, with an obscene amounts of assets going out to get worse.

DeAngelo is a supremely skilled player; he's just a depth player on a roster that can hide his warts. Chuck Fletcher, on the 5th worst team facing an inevitable rebuild, chose to trade another high 2nd (his 4th now!) and a 3rd for a depth player over just playing York and letting it ride. But Fletcher outright said, upon the trade, DeAngelo would be a top pair player, so yet another whiff there. If Fletcher was a gambler in a Vegas casino, he'd have his fingers shattered with a hammer.

And this is post career ruining injury that turned him into a wheelchair-bound shell of his former self.

Meanwhile, Risto is still just a young pup and one good coaching year away from breaking out and fulfilling his potential.

 

[Magua]

I don’t think DeAngelo is a bad player in a general sense. He’s always been a guy with extreme strengths (offense) & weaknesses (defense) despite the Flyers’ media mouthpieces trying say he’s not that bad defensively coming into this year. The Flyers just don’t have the organizational infrastructure whether it be roster or just general philosophy within it to get the best out of a player like DeAngelo like Carolina did.

Jeez, I forgot the victory laps in preseason and early season about how surprisingly good DeAngelo was defensively because occasionally he gets hot under the collar and hits someone.

This is just another example of the Flyers running their hockey ops line a kid playing Xbox while Carolina runs theirs like it’s Wall Street.

Carolina acquired DeAngelo for nothing after Hamilton left, squeezed out every drop of scoring, knew his true value on the Canes, and walked away flipping him for a high 2nd and 3rd that could get them a deadline piece. They then flipped a 3rd and depth pieces, less than the Flyers gave up, for a surefire better player than DeAngelo who is unsurprisingly fitting in well. Talk about organizational brain disparity.

I wonder if DeAngelo is traded, maybe in the summer or next season, if he nets a 3rd rounder? It's insane to think that every player Fletcher acquires in a trade loses value. I think it's supposed to be the other way around?

 

[Flyer lurker]

Do rebuilding teams trade 2 3 4 and pay 5m per for players they scratch?

But its all Hexy's fault.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[captainpaxil]

As Ghost was on the worst offense in the league stat padding his way to 51 points, we were hit with truth bombs about how bad he was actually doing. He only had a +0.7 relxGF% paired with an AHLer. Detriment!

DeAngelo at -6.6% has the 13th worst relxGF% in the NHL, along with the 2nd worst relxGA/60, while primarily paired with Provorov (who, don't worry, isn't far behind!). 44 point pace, ain't it easy? Ghost is +3.5 relxGF%, pacing for 60+, if you're keeping score at home. Silence. You don't have to make up a comparison -- it's a direct one, with an obscene amounts of assets going out to get worse.

DeAngelo is a supremely skilled player; he's just a depth player on a roster that can hide his warts. Chuck Fletcher, on the 5th worst team facing an inevitable rebuild, chose to trade another high 2nd (his 4th now!) and a 3rd for a depth player over just playing York and letting it ride. But Fletcher outright said, upon the trade, DeAngelo would be a top pair player, so yet another whiff there. If Fletcher was a gambler in a Vegas casino, he'd have his fingers shattered with a hammer.

I don't think they ever intend to play York on the right side so the choice was zamula or attard. The thought was to bring in a skilled puckcarrier for provorov but it seems like all the warts are showing among the d.

I'd give it until about mid January before I'm scrapping the d corps and starting over as it seems they all need to be coached up. That level of investment in time and energy should be reserved for guys you have the most future and upside with.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

I doubt Frost will break out anywhere, he might settle in as a 3C, but I see nothing that suggests top 6 forward.

Hmmm.....guess those 15 pounds gained and playing successfully in three preseason games didn't help.......

 

[ajgoal]

Remember when we said away from Slavin he would struggle defensively?

OK, serious question on this though. I'm probably misinterpreting this, but on first glance that heat map looks more to me like a mixed bag than straight up garbage. Obviously the bloodbath right on top of the net is bad. But doesn't DeAngelo play the side where the shot attempts are below average? I understand that this is supposed to isolate his impact, but I thought that the predominance of blue on his side of the ice would be a good thing.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is there a single Flyers asset that has increased in value since Fletcher took over?

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I don’t know who posted this from this board, but it’ll never go out of style (or relevance): “Ristolainen just needs the right minutes, in the right situations, with the right partner, and the right forwards, against the right matchups, in the right games, and he will really show his stuff.”

I could see all those conditions being met in the playoffs, which Risto is built for. Unfortunately.....

He falls into that category of player who is so detrimental on defense that it threatens to or does cancel out his offense. He was fine with Slavin, because Slavin is a mule on steroids. It was openly obvious such a situation doesn't exist here, and that paying that much in picks and cap space would be stupid because his overall impact here could never live up to either.

A bunch of amateur dorks on the internet could figure this out and Flyers Management can't. Until Flyers Management can outperform Internet Dorks, the team will always be dreadful.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Is there a single Flyers asset that has increased in value since Fletcher took over?

All of their draft picks.

 

[Striiker]

This is just another example of the Flyers running their hockey ops line a kid playing Xbox while Carolina runs theirs like it’s Wall Street.

What the hell??????

I do a much better job than this.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Is there a single Flyers asset that has increased in value since Fletcher took over?

Gritty

 

[Striiker]

Is there a single Flyers asset that has increased in value since Fletcher took over?

All future draft picks.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

All future draft picks.

LATE

 

[Beef Invictus]

OK, serious question on this though. I'm probably misinterpreting this, but on first glance that heat map looks more to me like a mixed bag than straight up garbage. Obviously the bloodbath right on top of the net is bad. But doesn't DeAngelo play the side where the shot attempts are below average? I understand that this is supposed to isolate his impact, but I thought that the predominance of blue on his side of the ice would be a good thing.

Not if it's blue because guys can just get straight to the net

 

[Striiker]

LATE

oh come the f*** on

 

[Adam Warlock]

Our D could be:

Provy-York
Sanheim-Braun
Seeler-Zamula

And we wouldvd been able to sign Johnny.

Not only is the D not any worse than our D is now...it might be better. Great job, Chuck!

 

[JojoTheWhale]

All future draft picks.

 

[Magua]

OK, serious question on this though. I'm probably misinterpreting this, but on first glance that heat map looks more to me like a mixed bag than straight up garbage. Obviously the bloodbath right on top of the net is bad. But doesn't DeAngelo play the side where the shot attempts are below average? I understand that this is supposed to isolate his impact, but I thought that the predominance of blue on his side of the ice would be a good thing.

Well, there’s ways to interpret that, given his history of defending. The entire net front looks like the elevator doors opening in The Shining. You could say that teams don’t take excess point shots on his side because they specifically attack the net. It’s almost insulting that teams don’t bother with low danger shots on his side. I find him a very chase happy defender too, and breakdowns and overcommitting doesn’t necessarily mean the chance happens on your side when help defenders shift over.