2022/23 Roster Thread XIII: Where the 13th Floor Has Been Located

[Striiker]

I think there is a non-zero chance that Briere is just doing what he has to do to stay in their graces as a target replacement, and that he actually has a brain of his own in which he could use to make good decisions instead of bad ones.

Even though it will help, real meaningful change will require more than just swapping out Fletcher for Briere.

You would assume a small skill player would realize that size and physicality isn’t everything, so that alone makes me think he’d be a better GM than Fletcher.

Maybe still shit, but I can’t imagine anyone doing worse.

 

[deadhead]

Vorobyev's

I love that Minnesota thought so highly of Flahr that they just let him walk right back into Chuck's lap upon him getting the Flyers gig. Lateral move.

Fenton was the GM, and he did such a good job they missed the playoffs for the first time in seven years and then he was fired.

 

[Perratrooper]

More of a 3C/2C tweener. 3C on a good team; if he's a full time 2C, you probably aren't good. He also has shown a tendency to be so selfish/slow with puck distribution that while his own numbers will look good, he depresses the overall production of everyone else on the ice with him. And it's not like he's producing so much that he truly offsets that dip around him.

He is the most annoying player I've had to watch, I think. And the Flybags have inflicted some brutal players on us.

Currently playing 3W because he's pretty much dog shit at everything except scoring hollow points. You can have him foe free if you want.

That’s what I get for stat watching. Thanks for the honest opinions!

 

[landsbergfan]

I've held the same thought/hope...call it what you want.

I think having a new GM that can think with today's modern NHL and also keep the advisors happy is realistically one way how this team gets out from no-man's land they are currently in. Now, I don't know how 'happy' you have to keep the advisors -- Do you just allow alumni entry into the locker rooms? Do you let them give you suggestions on player evaluations? Do you throw them a bone and sign a guy like ND as the 13/14th forward and dress him 15-20 games? I don't know if this does it, but these are things that you can work around. You can't work around signing Risto to a 5 year deal, or signing ND to a 4 year deal. Those are non starters, but I have a feeling that Chuck actually signed those guys because he liked them, not because he was told to.

But getting back to the main point, you can fake your way around throwing advisors a bone for a fair amount of time...And is Briere the guy who can do that? Does he have the balls to do it?

way to much evidence to think anything other than they were moves he thought would help

 

[deadhead]

Risto is a problem, ND costs $500K to bury, and so far he's been fine as a 4th line forward, better than most of the players we've had on the fourth line the past decade.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Vorobyev's

Fenton was the GM, and he did such a good job they missed the playoffs for the first time in seven years and then he was fired.

Wait, don’t we blame the guy that came before him in that situation? I’m pretty sure that’s how this works.

Also, just a reminder that making the playoffs is not an accomplishment.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Risto is a problem, ND costs $500K to bury, and so far he's been fine as a 4th line forward, better than most of the players we've had on the fourth line the past decade.

Deslauriers is never being buried by this regime. It's pointless to even mention. He fulfills a role Fletcher has incorrectly pegged as absolutely critical (more critical than offensive creativity) from Day 1 and sought to find a solution for annually.

 

[Curufinwe]

.500 after four years in charge - The Chuck Fletcher story.

 

[wasup]

Deslauriers is never being buried by this regime. It's pointless to even mention. He fulfills a role Fletcher has incorrectly pegged as absolutely critical (more critical than offensive creativity) from Day 1 and sought to find a solution for annually.

Not just Fletcher , Tort's said the other day that he thought there should be more of that kind of play in the league . Tort's is more of a Dino than Fletch

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

People forget that Tortorella talked about the Flyers bringing up Deslauriers during his interview process. They telegraphed that they were signing him weeks before free agency started.

 

[Striiker]

Hayes, Torts, and Fletcher is the dumbest player/coach/GM trio in the league.

What a treat.

 

[TB87]

They telegraphed that they were signing him weeks before free agency started.

Which gave Deslauriers and his agent all, and I mean, all of the leverage. Business savvy ain’t this front office’s forte. One would think that that’s a mass-fireable offense. One would be (wrong?) apparently…

 

[deadhead]

One of the reasons I like Torts:

Tortorella mentioned the reason for that being Hayes having struggles in low coverage of the defensive zone.

"He knows," the head coach said Tuesday morning. "Kevin's trying. This isn't a player that's stubborn. He cares and is trying to be the best he can be. I think he has bad habits. It's not just from one year, two years, it's probably throughout his career."

A kind way of saying his former HCs let him get away with murder.

But it shows his approach, AV got rid of players when he didn't like how they played, Torts tells them what they're doing wrong, works with (or his assistants) them to correct those mistakes, only after it's obvious the player won't/can't change does he get rid of the player. And he's done it with the whole roster, Allison (cut out cross-ice passes, play North/South) Frost (player harder without the puck), Tippett (be more aggressive, use your speed), MacEwen (dance with the one that brought ya, i.e., you're an energy forechecker, not a finesse forward), and so on. Do what he wants and your PT goes up.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Except for the times where he minimizes or ditches players without telling them a damned thing.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

You know how bad you have to be to have a shock jock columnist like Marcus Hayes criticize you & not be completely off base?

 

[BrindamoursNose]

 

[ajgoal]

What if your workplace isn't run by incompetents at every level?

 

[Striiker]

How are there still people defending the Voracek/Betterfitkinson trade?

 

[deadhead]

Basically it comes down to Risto/Ghost.
The rest of the moves were non-consequential.
Voracek/Atkinson is a wash.
Grant/Thompson were cheap TDL deals, Braun was a make the playoffs move, and he got the 3rd back (and maybe more this year).
Ellis is on LTIR and the two players traded for him, one is IR and the other a 7th D-man.
No great additions, no great losses. And not the reason this team sucks.

G was the proper move, and no one was offering much more (the rumors with Colorado were Barron and/or Helleson and a 1st, Byram and Newhook were off the table, you wanted Jost?).

TDA can be evaluated at the end of the season.

The dry rot started a decade ago, Fletcher did nothing to reverse it, but didn't start the decline.

 

[deadhead]

Here's the full Frost toilet seat quote:

“Look at Frosty. I still think he’s up and down like a toilet seat here, as far as you see him coming, then he dips. Then you see him coming. Hopefully it levels out and it keeps on going in the proper direction, because he’s supposed to be a skilled guy. You can see it’s there. But it’s still very inconsistent when we’re playing the game. So keep on putting them into the situations and see if they feel more comfortable and loosen up the hands on their stick and just feel confident.”

Last five games 3rd on the team in 5x5 minutes, and he'll probably continue to get that usage.
Which is Torts, I'll give these players a shot, but my patience isn't infinite, however, as long as they're working hard and not being brain dead I'll give 'em a long leash.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Basically it comes down to Risto/Ghost.
The rest of the moves were non-consequential.
Voracek/Atkinson is a wash.
Grant/Thompson were cheap TDL deals, Braun was a make the playoffs move, and he got the 3rd back (and maybe more this year).
Ellis is on LTIR and the two players traded for him, one is IR and the other a 7th D-man.
No great additions, no great losses. And not the reason this team sucks.

G was the proper move, and no one was offering much more (the rumors with Colorado were Barron and/or Helleson and a 1st, Byram and Newhook were off the table, you wanted Jost?).

TDA can be evaluated at the end of the season.

The dry rot started a decade ago, Fletcher did nothing to reverse it, but didn't start the decline.

Bullshit. Every move matters. No matter how minor (he’s had plenty of objectively horrid trades too), and they all add up to awful management of assets. You are too smart to not see that. Stop being a troll.

 

[deadhead]

Bullshit. Every move matters. No matter how minor (he’s had plenty of objectively horrid trades too), and they all add up to awful management of assets. You are too smart to not see that. Stop being a troll.

Only one "horrid" trade. The Risto/Ghost sequence.

The others made sense or were so low cost who cares.
What he didn't do (and neither did Hextall) is add significant value in trades other than short-term patches.
But these trades aren't the reason the team sucks.

 

[Lindberg]

Only one "horrid" trade. The Risto/Ghost sequence.

The others made sense or were so low cost who cares.
What he didn't do (and neither did Hextall) is add significant value in trades other than short-term patches.
But these trades aren't the reason the team sucks.

So now the Ghost is a horrid trade?

 

[deadhead]

So now the Ghost is a horrid trade?

As I've point out, Fletcher has paid the right price in the wrong deal.
The cost of dumping contracts was as high or higher than the 2nd for Ghost.
Now whether they should have dump him is another matter, but if we had Ghost instead of Risto, we'd be just as bad.

 

[Magua]

Besides the “other than that how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln” vibes to the building value debacle that has been the Ghost-Risto-Tony trades, I feel like the key part in deciding that Fletcher’s moves have not been one silly forgivable error…..is the context of all his moves.

You’d need all your fingers and toes and then some to count Fletcher’s misdoings. And you’d need one fireworks blasted off hand to count his smart moves.