2022/23 Roster Thread XIII: Where the 13th Floor Has Been Located

[bauer]

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

They need a leadership change, but it should not be "soon."

Unless you have a top level candidate to replace him, another decision made in haste will just be more circling the drain.

That being said, there is absolutely no way that Fletcher can be GM by the time the draft rolls around.

Clarke and Holmgren have to go. Because if you just fire Fletcher nothing changes.

 

[FLYguy3911]

The Hextall blaming is hilarious to me because the more Chuck gets his hands on this team, the worse it gets. I mean progressively worse. No one loves to point back to that 2020 season more than the man himself, but that team was largely what Hextall cultivated + Niskanen the GOAT. If that's what a Hextall roster was capable of, why the complete nosedive since?

 

[FlyerNutter]

Clarke and Holmgren have to go. Because if you just fire Fletcher nothing changes.

It’s really so far beyond that.

Advisor positions, development, amateur/pro scouting. Coaching in the pro, and minor league level. Hell analytics have shown themselves to be in competent as well.

It takes many men to have a decade that’s continuing to spiral as we have seen.

I don’t really see anyone doing what needs to be done here other than ownership, which sure as shit won’t happen because they are terrified of losing their antique STH/BSB support.

It’s going to be Father Time that saves us. I can’t see it any other way really.

 

[Striiker]

Hextall was GM for 351 regular season games

Fletcher would currently have been GM for 323 regular season games if COVID hadn't caused some to be canceled

So almost the same amount of time, except clearly the results and team have been far worse since Fletcher took over, purged the team of skill, and stuffed it full of horrible players. The only good ones left are Hextall picks.

But yeah, it's not Fletchers fault at all.

 

[TB87]

Serious question: I have watched parts of one game this season so I genuinely do not know. It sounds like Torts doesn’t like Sanheim. How has Sanheim played this season?

 

[VladDrag]

Serious question: I have watched parts of one game this season so I genuinely do not know. It sounds like Torts doesn’t like Sanheim. How has Sanheim played this season?

He’s been just okay. He wasn’t playing well early on, but he’s been decent since.

The whole team has been trash tho, so it’s really hard for anyone to stand out for any significant period.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Serious question: I have watched parts of one game this season so I genuinely do not know. It sounds like Torts doesn’t like Sanheim. How has Sanheim played this season?

He’s definitely getting a bunch of minutes, but not racking up tons of points. I think his play has been fine, and as always Pp time would be nice. Nice stuff on PK at times. He’s had a couple rough spots too, but not out of the ordinary. Ultimately, this is still the same high quality dman we’ve always known.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I was searching for this list the other day, in hopes to update it from last year. Little pet project so to speak.

Current Long Serving Members with Flyers in Management/Pro +Amateur Scout/Developmental Positions:

-Bobby Clarke (73yrs old) - Senior Advisor. With team in coaching/management role since 1979.
-Paul Holmgren (67) - Senior Advisor. With team in coaching/management role since 1985.
-Bill Barber (70) - Senior Advisor. With team in coaching/management role since 1985.
-Barry Hanrahan (55) - Assistant GM. With team in management role since 1997.
-Dean Lombardi (64). - Senior Advisor employed 2017.
-Dave Brown (60). Pro Scout employed 2006.
-John Chapman (78). Pro Scout employed1995.
-Ross Fitzpatrick (62). Pro Scout employed 2006.
-Al Hill (67). Pro Scout employed 1998.
-Alyn McCauley (46). Director Player Personnel. Employed 2017.
-John Riley (unable to find age). - Player Development. employed 2008.
-Kjell Samuelsson (64) - Player Development. Employed 2000.
-Denis Patterson (73) Amateur Scout employed 1983.
-Mark Greig (52) Amateur Scout employed 2007
-Todd Hearty Amateur Scout employed 2007.
-Ken Hoodikoff Amateur Scout employed 2009.
-Rick Pracey - Amateur Scout employed 2015.

With a quick initial glance,- none of men have been removed from the team after the last decade.

The only removal? McCrossin who was actually on the teams official staff roster as an "advisor" to start the season. No longer there. Jobs based on merit, clearly.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Fletcher next Interview:

What are you most proud of during your time as a flyers gm?

Moron: “We’ll when we didn’t have any injuries, we we made the playoffs”

Perhaps we will get a "2019: Traded for Matt Niskanen" banner raising at some point.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Also something that apparently flew under the radar this year.

"Minton has been promoted to the role of Director of Hockey Operations in his third season with the organization. He joined the Flyers in September of 2019 as Director of Hockey Information & Video where he helped lead several projects with the team's scouting and analytics department.

Prior to joining the Flyers, he spent four seasons in the hockey operations department in various positions with the Minnesota Wild."

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Fletcher next Interview:

What are you most proud of during your time as a flyers gm?

Moron: “We’ll when we didn’t have any injuries, we we made the playoffs”

"when i paid another team to take Ghost from us...

yes that is my defining moment in Philly im most proud of."

 

[deadhead]

That's been my point all along, this didn't start with Fletcher, it started in 2012.
It took a long time to suck the talent out of the organization.

Scott and the advisors all must go.
Torts is fine, but they need a new FO.

The reason Torts is fine is it's going to be 2-3 rough seasons, but he won't let them fall into the "loser" syndrome that Buffalo has never been able to shake. Young players will learn that losing is no excuse for being sloppy or half-ass play, you may get beat, but don't beat yourself.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

It’s really so far beyond that.

Advisor positions, development, amateur/pro scouting. Coaching in the pro, and minor league level. Hell analytics have shown themselves to be in competent as well.

It takes many men to have a decade that’s continuing to spiral as we have seen.

I don’t really see anyone doing what needs to be done here other than ownership, which sure as shit won’t happen because they are terrified of losing their antique STH/BSB support.

It’s going to be Father Time that saves us. I can’t see it any other way really.

sadly this is correct..

 

[deadhead]

Hextall inherited Couts, G, Voracek, Simmonds, B Schenn, Ghost in their prime years.
That was the core that Holmgren built, then wasted by not continuing to build.

Hextall rode their best seasons, but after 5 years they were no better than they were in 2014, but other than Couts the rest were over 30 or gone.
Fletcher got them past their peak, and a half dozen good but not great young players, the young players are still here but all the veterans are gone or on IR.

Fletcher is one of the culprits, but he's not the main culprit, the tree fell on his watch, but it was already rotten.

 

[flyerslducks]

i wish we traded for necas when his value was lower last year, was always a big fan of his game. Would also like to get hoglander, feel like he could be pretty cheap too

 

[pacehimself]

Hextall inherited Couts, G, Voracek, Simmonds, B Schenn, Ghost in their prime years.
That was the core that Holmgren built, then wasted by not continuing to build.

Hextall rode their best seasons, but after 5 years they were no better than they were in 2014, but other than Couts the rest were over 30 or gone.
Fletcher got them past their peak, and a half dozen good but not great young players, the young players are still here but all the veterans are gone or on IR.

Fletcher is one of the culprits, but he's not the main culprit, the tree fell on his watch, but it was already rotten.

Fletcher is even more of a culprit because he has mortgaged the future. Everyone could see where this team was trending, it’s inexcusable to trade away future assets when we were far from contention. Is it even possible to compete going forward with little to no talent, large contracts for mediocre players and likely high draft picks gone?

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's been my point all along, this didn't start with Fletcher, it started in 2012.
It took a long time to suck the talent out of the organization.

Scott and the advisors all must go.
Torts is fine, but they need a new FO.

The reason Torts is fine is it's going to be 2-3 rough seasons, but he won't let them fall into the "loser" syndrome that Buffalo has never been able to shake. Young players will learn that losing is no excuse for being sloppy or half-ass play, you may get beat, but don't beat yourself.

Nah, the process of draining talent became vastly worse under Fletcher. There's no avoiding that. He bears more blame for the team's current state than anyone except Clarke.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Fletcher is even more of a culprit because he has mortgaged the future. Everyone could see where this team was trending, it’s inexcusable to trade away future assets when we were far from contention. Is it even possible to compete going forward with little to no talent, large contracts for mediocre players and likely high draft picks gone?

the answer is no

 

[deadhead]

Fletcher is even more of a culprit because he has mortgaged the future. Everyone could see where this team was trending, it’s inexcusable to trade away future assets when we were far from contention. Is it even possible to compete going forward with little to no talent, large contracts for mediocre players and likely high draft picks gone?

One 1st rd pck is gone one extra one picked up. Don't overrate 2nd rd picks, they're nice, but far below 1st rd picks in value.

The contracts don't matter for a couple years, this team has no business sniffing FAs. JVR frees up $5M after Sanheim and before the cap increase, no major RFA contracts for years (Frost ain't getting paid, N Cates is years away, Tippett?).
So they're gonna suck for 2-3 years, add some high draft picks, clear out salaries.

By 2025, Hayes, Atkinson will be gone, Couts will be resolved one way or another, Risto will probably be shipped out and any younger player who isn't playing up to their long-term deal. So after the next three years, and hopefully 3 top ten picks, they'll have lots of cap room and lots of young players with experience.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

 

[BrindamoursNose]

One 1st rd pck is gone one extra one picked up. Don't overrate 2nd rd picks, they're nice, but far below 1st rd picks in value.

The contracts don't matter for a couple years, this team has no business sniffing FAs. JVR frees up $5M after Sanheim and before the cap increase, no major RFA contracts for years (Frost ain't getting paid, N Cates is years away, Tippett?).
So they're gonna suck for 2-3 years, add some high draft picks, clear out salaries.

By 2025, Hayes, Atkinson will be gone, Couts will be resolved one way or another, Risto will probably be shipped out and any younger player who isn't playing up to their long-term deal. So after the next three years, and hopefully 3 top ten picks, they'll have lots of cap room and lots of young players with experience.

You are the biggest bootlicker that has ever booted a lick.

 

[1865]

Hello all. I’ve not been around all season because I’ve not watched any of it this season. I just don’t care any more. I’m someone who used to stay up until 3am 3/4 times a week watching this team. Now, I often forget to check the app to see how many they lost by.

Nice one Chuck, good job.

 

[Beef Invictus]

One 1st rd pck is gone one extra one picked up. Don't overrate 2nd rd picks, they're nice, but far below 1st rd picks in value.

The contracts don't matter for a couple years, this team has no business sniffing FAs. JVR frees up $5M after Sanheim and before the cap increase, no major RFA contracts for years (Frost ain't getting paid, N Cates is years away, Tippett?).
So they're gonna suck for 2-3 years, add some high draft picks, clear out salaries.

By 2025, Hayes, Atkinson will be gone, Couts will be resolved one way or another, Risto will probably be shipped out and any younger player who isn't playing up to their long-term deal. So after the next three years, and hopefully 3 top ten picks, they'll have lots of cap room and lots of young players with experience.

This is a flat out lie. You have been shown repeatedly how many picks have been bled away. In terms of overall value, Fletcher has tossed away an entire draft worth of picks.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Wouldn’t it be much easier to say that Chuck Fletcher is awful at his job then do all of this boot licking?