2022/23 Roster Thread XII: The Twelfth Night, a comedy play

[FLYguy3911]

Home sick from work and was flipping through one of my old NHL guide/record books. Paging through the player register of the 16-17 edition and was reminded of Flyers legend Chris Porter. Was there not a small uproar by a handful when the Flyers lost him to waivers at the beginning of the 15-16 season? I could be wrong but I lurked here at that point and swear I remember some people legitimately upset to lose the guy. He scored a whopping 10 points between his last three NHL seasons (a little over 100 games total). Flyers and an undying love for slop depth players, some things never change.

Oh, also, take a WILD guess as to which GM claimed Porter- who wound up scoring 7 points in 61 games that season for his new team- from the Flyers.

I remember the Flyers waived him the day of a preseason game and he scored (maybe twice?) that night and then got plucked the next day. Figures Chuck claimed him. The king of claiming journeymen, sub replacement level players.

 

[deadhead]

Getting back to Hextall's second season as GM:
Ghost (22), Laughton (21), Gudas (25), Manning (25), Cousins (22) 36g, were the 25 and under additions to the roster.

Sakic's first season as GM in Colorado,
Landeskog (22), Duchene (24), ROR (23), Barrie (23), MacKinnon (19), Everberg (23) was the 25 and under core
cameos: Caron (24) 19g, Hamilton (23) 17g, Hishon (23) 13g, Rendulic (22) 11g, Vincour (24) 7g,
veterans: Iginla (37), Tanquay (35), Mitchell (30), Talbot (30), Guenin (32), Stuart (35), Hejda (36), Briere (37), McLeod (30),

When a rebuild starts, you don't see teams "clear house" that first season, it's usually a 2-3 year process.

 

[FlyerNutter]

This is not a rebuild lol

Flyers don’t rebuild. This is exhibit A

 

[Curufinwe]

Atkinson still not on IR. Maybe he’s not actually injured.

 

[freakydallas13]

Getting back to Hextall's second season as GM:
Ghost (22), Laughton (21), Gudas (25), Manning (25), Cousins (22) 36g, were the 25 and under additions to the roster.

Sakic's first season as GM in Colorado,
Landeskog (22), Duchene (24), ROR (23), Barrie (23), MacKinnon (19), Everberg (23) was the 25 and under core
cameos: Caron (24) 19g, Hamilton (23) 17g, Hishon (23) 13g, Rendulic (22) 11g, Vincour (24) 7g,
veterans: Iginla (37), Tanquay (35), Mitchell (30), Talbot (30), Guenin (32), Stuart (35), Hejda (36), Briere (37), McLeod (30),

When a rebuild starts, you don't see teams "clear house" that first season, it's usually a 2-3 year process.

When a rebuild starts, you don't see teams trading their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks for short term roster upgrades.

 

[FlyerNutter]

When a rebuild starts, you don't see teams trading their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks for short term roster upgrades.

You also rarely see teams lock up every half decent player to long term extensions screwing themselves over in terms of cap flexibility. Flyers love paying full market value for secondary pieces though.

You see teams (gasp) being willing to move pieces with actual value to maximize profits at the time draft day comes around. Trading JVR, and Braun is not an example of that.

You don’t see them continuously try a developmental approach based on tough love, that goes back beyond Torts. You don’t see them hire a coach that’s trash at development.

Rebuild my ass. They are trying to win. As always.

 

[Magua]

So…..Out: Allison/Laczynski and In: Willman? Net positive!

If Frost can’t produce top 6 scoring numbers with Deslauriers and Willman, is it time to just pull the plug?

When a rebuild starts, you don't see teams trading their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks for short term roster upgrades.

We have 14 years of Fletcher never picking in volume, only once having 2 1st round picks (2011), never rebuilding, having no keen drafting eye, but allow me to show you that this desperately half-cobbled together value sinkhole called the Flyers is actually just setting the stage for Charles’ Great Rebuild.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[deadhead]

You also rarely see teams lock up every half decent player to long term extensions screwing themselves over in terms of cap flexibility. Flyers love paying full market value for secondary pieces though.

You see teams (gasp) being willing to move pieces with actual value to maximize profits at the time draft day comes around. Trading JVR, and Braun is not an example of that.

You don’t see them continuously try a developmental approach based on tough love, that goes back beyond Torts. You don’t see them hire a coach that’s trash at development.

Rebuild my ass. They are trying to win. As always.

How did Torts win in TB and CBJ? It wasn't with high priced FAs or established veterans.

Draft picks outside the first round are overrated, anytime I can add a player in his 20s who's an above average starter with these kinds of picks, do so. Hextall's (6) 2nd rd picks have produced 1 starter (Hart), 1 marginal starter (Allison).

If the Flyers want to move pieces, it shouldn't be until next summer after Torts has a chance to evaluate his players.
None of the contracts given to their own players are out of line, thus those players are good trade bait.

Risto is the one horrid move, both the trade and extension.

Why is this a surprise? Without JVR, they're screwed on the PP for now. Laughton trying to play net front is painful to watch.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Atkinson still not on IR. Maybe he’s not actually injured.

Just listened to ASF talk about Atkinson’s situation. He said it’s a labrum injury. The plan is for him to rehab it currently. If that goes well he could be back sometime within the next month. If that doesn’t work then he’s gonna have to get surgery & he’ll pretty much be out for the rest of the year if that happens.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Just listened to ASF talk about Atkinson’s situation. He said it’s a labrum injury. The plan is for him to rehab it currently. If that goes well he could be back sometime within the next month. If that doesn’t work then he’s gonna have to get surgery & he’ll pretty much be out for the rest of the year if that happens.

im convinced the few skill guys we have are purposely staying away.

why would any actual NHL player want to play in this shit Org.

 

[deadhead]

Just listened to ASF talk about Atkinson’s situation. He said it’s a labrum injury. The plan is for him to rehab it currently. If that goes well he could be back sometime within the next month. If that doesn’t work then he’s gonna have to get surgery & he’ll pretty much be out for the rest of the year if that happens.

I'd just tell him to get surgery. The season is a lost cause, he'd just take PT from young players, and he'll play scared, worried that the next hit will re-injure the shoulder. The extra LTIR money would allow them to take on salary at the TDL, maybe pick up another asset.

im convinced the few skill guys we have are purposely staying away.

why would any actual NHL player want to play in this shit Org.

Because it's a lot easier getting PT if you actually have talent (and not merely a "name" or high draft position).
Players go to bad teams all the time to revive their careers.

 

[freakydallas13]

What the f*** am I reading.

"How did Torts win in Columbus?" He f***ing didn't? Unless you count one playoff series win?

How did Torts win in Columbus, give me a f***ing break.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'd just tell him to get surgery. The season is a lost cause, he'd just take PT from young players, and he'll play scared, worried that the next hit will re-injure the shoulder. The extra LTIR money would allow them to take on salary at the TDL, maybe pick up another asset.


Because it's a lot easier getting PT if you actually have talent (and not merely a "name" or high draft position).
Players go to bad teams all the time to revive their careers.

The Flyers wouldn't tell him that because they're trying to win because this isn't a rebuild. They're actively trying to win.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What the f*** am I reading.

"How did Torts win in Columbus?" He f***ing didn't? Unless you count one playoff series win?

How did Torts win in Columbus, give me a f***ing break.

Torts "won" by having a Vezina Trophy winner. Same way that AV won.

 

[deadhead]

Torts "won" by having a Vezina Trophy winner. Same way that AV won.

How come goalies have their best seasons under Torts? Coincidence?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Torts "won" by having a Vezina Trophy winner. Same way that AV won.

Lundquist says hello aswell..

 

[FlyerNutter]

Is it more about success in 2022?

Or more about trying to protect an "identity" from the 70s.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

How come goalies have their best seasons under Torts? Coincidence?

Somewhere in between coincidence and Tortorella being a dinosaur that wants to win games 2-1.

But that all goes out the window when you've said yourself that Hart has had such a good start to the year because he's facing easier shots which is just so unbelievably wrong.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Lundquist says hello aswell..

Yes, that's AV.

 

[Magua]

"How did Torts win in Columbus?" He f***ing didn't? Unless you count one playoff series win?

You’re just going to minimize that he’s the second to last coach to beat the Lightning in the playoffs?

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Flyers have the 5th worst PP in the NHL this year.
Flyers have the 2nd least goals scored and 2nd lowest goals per game, only just ahead of the Blues.
Generate the 5th lowest shots per game in the NHL.
Allow the 6th most shots per game in the NHL.
3rd to last in faceoff percentage.

Basically, at some point, and think we're starting to see it, the Flyers are going to have some really bad and embarrassing losses from here on out.

Hart has been standing on his head and is basically the reason for any of the win the Flyers have. It's gonna end sooner than later and this team will become a real bottom 5 team in the end.

And for reference with the PP in Columbus with Torts:

20-21: 5th worst PP
19-20: 5th worst PP
18-19: 4th worst PP
17-18: 7th worst PP

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Yes, that's AV.

oops yah i was concentrating on Torts success..

ima dum

 

[ajgoal]

When a rebuild starts, you don't see teams trading their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks for short term roster upgrades.

"upgrades"

 

[VladDrag]

Their PP is exactly the same as it was. They still think you can only score from a one timer, which is why Tippett is playing the half wall.

Not that it matters at all, but I would go:

-------TD
Frost-------TK
------Farabee
------Hayes

They really don't have a ton of options, as this team is garbage on the PP.