2022/23 Roster Thread XI: Konecny, So Hot Right Now, Konecny

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Oh, weird.

Something that got scoffed at confirmed.

No other team is willing to keep a ECHL level player in the NHL

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Oh, weird.

Something that got scoffed at confirmed.

It continues to be mildly concerning that their player evaluations are so far off the league consensus.

 

[Curufinwe]

Oh, weird.

Something that got scoffed at confirmed.

Those people must be dumb as rocks. Way better players than HH cleared waivers.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Those people must de dumb as rocks. Way better players than HH cleared waivers.

Oh there's absolutely no doubt of that.

 

[Curufinwe]

Lappy has his boy back now. Everyone’s happy.

 

[deadhead]

They went 8-4-3 in their first 15 last season. Are people actually doing this

Well, they did lose like half their team after that.
If you don't have a few elite players who can carry a team, depth matters.
We saw that in 2017-18, when it was the Couts line, Voracek on the second line, one defensive pair and a lot of stiffs.

I don't think this will be a good team, but I think they will develop some good players to build around.

I've always thought Marchand was the player TK should model his game on, and he's starting to look like that guy, a skilled pain in the butt who makes things happen every time he hits the ice.

TDA has shown speed, skill and grit, now how that translates over 82 game remains to be seen, but people have been whining about adding speed and skill, well, they added speed and skill.

Hopefully they won't lose Tippett for any length of time, developing him and Frost on a team that has lacked speed is key going forward.

I expect TB and Florida to be ugly, even if the Flyers were a playoff caliber team, that would be a difficult road trip, given their youth and limited time in the scheme and playing with each other, it's obvious the league hates them.

 

[TCTC]

TDA has shown speed, skill and grit, now how that translates over 82 game remains to be seen, but people have been whining about adding speed and skill, well, they added speed and skill.

The player DeAngelo is definitely something the team needed. And so far he hasn't initiated a riot in the locker room, so I guess everything's fine.

 

[scumpup]

When are we getting the York Zamula pair back? What could more time in LHV possibly give York other than a reason to get injured playing wasted hockey?

 

[deadhead]

When are we getting the York Zamula pair back? What could more time in LHV possibly give York other than a reason to get injured playing wasted hockey?

Gee, they're so experienced that more pro level experience would have no value.

York has played 33 NHL games, 42 AHL games and 54 college games - grizzled veteran.
Zamula has 14 NHL games and 83 AHL games under his belt.

And yes, after watching the first two games, Seeler is a better player than Zamula, right now. Maybe not in January.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Gee, they're so experienced that more pro level experience would have no value.

York has played 33 NHL games, 42 AHL games and 54 college games - grizzled veteran.
Zamula has 14 NHL games and 83 AHL games under his belt.

And yes, after watching the first two games, Seeler is a better player than Zamula, right now. Maybe not in January.

Who would you rather develop our players? Lappy or Torts?

 

[Striiker]

Who would you rather develop our players? Lappy or Torts?

We're probably better off trading them to another team and then trying to get both back after they develop the kids for us.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Gee, they're so experienced that more pro level experience would have no value.

York has played 33 NHL games, 42 AHL games and 54 college games - grizzled veteran.
Zamula has 14 NHL games and 83 AHL games under his belt.

And yes, after watching the first two games, Seeler is a better player than Zamula, right now. Maybe not in January.

You didn't actually address his post. From everything we have seen of York he his NHL ready. There is nothing to gain from the AHL under a shit coach.

After all your pumping up of Tortorella as a development magician, why wouldn't you want York under him instead? Oh right, because the team must be defended at all costs, logical consistency be damned.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

We're probably better off trading them to another team and then trying to get both back after they develop the kids for us.

Eh…. I just find it curious that Torts is extolled for his process and development. This is a development year. We need to develop the young players. Yet the moment they struggle, send them right down.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Part of me wonders something.

How aggressive will they be next summer to declare the “retool” as over. To blow all available cap space, while further planting themselves in mediocrity.

Tortorella might be a decent coach, but it’s simply the wrong hire for where the team is at. The risk of him squeezing wins out of a team, of falsely accelerating the process when there should be at least another two seasons of harvesting high end draft positions - is a real concern.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Eh…. I just find it curious that Torts is extolled for his process and development. This is a development year. We need to develop the young players. Yet the moment they struggle, send them right down.

They'll be fine as long as Flahr can watch them eat 9 meals a day

 

[ajgoal]

Part of me wonders something.

How aggressive will they be next summer to declare the “retool” as over. To blow all available cap space, while further planting themselves in mediocrity.

The good news is they only have $8 million in cap space to blow through.

 

[FlyerNutter]

The good news is they only have $8 million in cap space to blow through.

I’d have to actually go take a peek if that’s accurate. It’s not necessarily the amount of money available with this organization, it’s how willing they are to lock themselves into term for what’s generally secondary talent.

There needs to be restraint here. On all fronts, instead of trying to rush this thing forward. Risto’s extension, TDA’s acquisition cost, and now Sanheim’s new deal don’t show me they understand that realistically this rebuild is just beginning.

We will not see San Jose or Chicago doing this. Hell we have seen Montreal stay committed to their path. A smart team doesn’t try to force things, and relies on organic growth.

 

[Flyerfan18]

You didn't actually address his post. From everything we have seen of York he his NHL ready. There is nothing to gain from the AHL under a shit coach.

After all your pumping up of Tortorella as a development magician, why wouldn't you want York under him instead? Oh right, because the team must be defended at all costs, logical consistency be damned.

Clearly you did not watch the pre- season

 

[Beef Invictus]

Clearly you did not watch the pre- season

I did. Preseason is garbage. Almost useless for player evaluation. That this team puts so much weight on preseason is why they're always wrong about numerous players.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Clearly you did not watch the pre- season

Small. Sample. Size.

 

[wankstifier]

It continues to be mildly concerning that their player evaluations are so far off the league consensus.

Mozzarella is mild. This is stinky like Stilton

 

[freakydallas13]

Part of me wonders something.

How aggressive will they be next summer to declare the “retool” as over. To blow all available cap space, while further planting themselves in mediocrity.

Tortorella might be a decent coach, but it’s simply the wrong hire for where the team is at. The risk of him squeezing wins out of a team, of falsely accelerating the process when there should be at least another two seasons of harvesting high end draft positions - is a real concern.

Find a feasible way the Flyers get out of perpetual mediocrity challenge (impossible):

 

[Flyerfan18]

Small. Sample. Size.

The most important sample size when you have a new coach. Wished people would stop defending players who show up not ready. Doesn’t matter how much talent you have when you don’t use it

I did. Preseason is garbage. Almost useless for player evaluation. That this team puts so much weight on preseason is why they're always wrong about numerous players.

Wrong about players? Very few examples of players leaving and excelling elsewhere. Especially unproven ones.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The most important sample size when you have a new coach. Wished people would stop defending players who show up not ready. Doesn’t matter how much talent you have when you don’t use it

Did you know that players in preseason are often ready to go, but just have rust to knock off? Or have a bad time finding chemistry in a jumbled line situation?

The new coach, if competent, should be watching film from the prior year instead of relying on a small and poor quality sample.

Wished people would stop defending coaches and managers who operate on stupid principles and turn in year after year of weak results.

 

[Striiker]

If someone thinks preseason is valuable for finding out anything other than if someone is healthy, just toss their opinions in the trash from now on.


-Minuscule sample size
-Mixed squads with players from all different levels (NHL, AHL, Euro, Juniors)
-Everyone is rusty from not playing a meaningful game in months
-Coaches screw around to test things

There’s absolutely no way to use that sample to judge how someone would do in a full NHL season. End of story.