2022/23 Roster Thread XI: Konecny, So Hot Right Now, Konecny

[Beef Invictus]

There's also the fact that York was going through the same idiocy as Frost last year, where he was told contradicting instructions and then punished for not turning the dissonance into music.

 

[Striiker]

There's also the fact that York was going through the same idiocy as Frost last year, where he was told contradicting instructions and then punished for not turning the dissonance into music.

I wonder what gullible fans would be like if the propaganda they were fed wasn’t so one-sided.

Imagine if the players could have media blitzes to defend themselves and blame others, like the teams do.

Maybe then, instead of just buying that everything was the fault of the players being lazy or stubborn or out of shape or whatever other lie, they’d realize that the staff wasn’t completely flawless and actually screw up constantly.

They don’t believe us when we give them proof, but if you got one parasite like Meltzer to tweet it they might believe it.

 

[scumpup]

Gee, they're so experienced that more pro level experience would have no value.

York has played 33 NHL games, 42 AHL games and 54 college games - grizzled veteran.
Zamula has 14 NHL games and 83 AHL games under his belt.

And yes, after watching the first two games, Seeler is a better player than Zamula, right now. Maybe not in January.

please do not interact with me thanks.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

please do not interact with me thanks.

 

[scumpup]

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well he's on the ignore list.

 

[FlyerNutter]

please do not interact with me thanks.

First time in this bar?

 

[Beef Invictus]

If someone thinks preseason is valuable for finding out anything other than if someone is healthy, just toss their opinions in the trash from now on.


-Minuscule sample size
-Mixed squads with players from all different levels (NHL, AHL, Euro, Juniors)
-Everyone is rusty from not playing a meaningful game in months
-Coaches screw around to test things

There’s absolutely no way to use that sample to judge how someone would do in a full NHL season. End of story.

Every preseason you'll see stuff like better players trying to spring lesser players, and the lesser players haven't read the situation correctly so they don't do the thing that was expected so you get weird passes to nowhere.

This could also be due to whatever system mismatch they're coming from.

Coming out of preseason years past, certain people were sure Stewart was fast. similar people were praising how fast Hayes was looking.

Then NHL games started and we saw in both cases it was a preseason illusion. Stuff line this happens all over the place. Preseason hockey is bad for evaluation. Drawing meaningful conclusions is difficult.

 

[Striiker]

Every preseason you'll see stuff like better players trying to spring lesser players, and the lesser players haven't read the situation correctly so they don't do the thing that was expected so you get weird passes to nowhere.

This could also be due to whatever system mismatch they're coming from.

Coming out of preseason years past, certain people were sure Stewart was fast. similar people were praising how fast Hayes was looking.

Then NHL games started and we saw in both cases it was a preseason illusion. Stuff line this happens all over the place. Preseason hockey is bad for evaluation. Drawing meaningful conclusions is difficult.

The perfect example was when people thought Twarynski was a real prospect based on like 3 preseason goals.

 

[Magua]

Spoiler: iMPORTANT INFORMATION

JVR, Laczynski, Laughton

 

[Striiker]

It’s always funny to see when Charlie selectively remembers that these stats exist.

 

[Flyerfan18]

Did you know that players in preseason are often ready to go, but just have rust to knock off? Or have a bad time finding chemistry in a jumbled line situation?

The new coach, if competent, should be watching film from the prior year instead of relying on a small and poor quality sample.

Wished people would stop defending coaches and managers who operate on stupid principles and turn in year after year of weak results.

I wonder what gullible fans would be like if the propaganda they were fed wasn’t so one-sided.

Imagine if the players could have media blitzes to defend themselves and blame others, like the teams do.

Maybe then, instead of just buying that everything was the fault of the players being lazy or stubborn or out of shape or whatever other lie, they’d realize that the staff wasn’t completely flawless and actually screw up constantly.

They don’t believe us when we give them proof, but if you got one parasite like Meltzer to tweet it they might believe it.

You haven’t actually provided proof of anything. Other than you cant grasp the basics of the game. Go on defending the players who can’t cut it. The whole bad coach bullshit is hilarious. New coach every year and the same prospects struggle. Coincidence. Umm no. Poor drafting

Did you know that players in preseason are often ready to go, but just have rust to knock off? Or have a bad time finding chemistry in a jumbled line situation?

The new coach, if competent, should be watching film from the prior year instead of relying on a small and poor quality sample.

Wished people would stop defending coaches and managers who operate on stupid principles and turn in year after year of weak results.

pre season is to knock the rust off. It’s also to show who’s ready to go. Can’t find chemistry. Jumbled play. Ya that’s part of the process of seeing how players react in different situations The good ones that are ready figure it out. The rest get cut.

Not defending management. The drafting which boils down mostly to scouting has not been very good on a long while now.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You haven’t actually provided proof of anything. Other than you cant grasp the basics of the game. Go on defending the players who can’t cut it. The whole bad coach bullshit is hilarious. New coach every year and the same prospects struggle. Coincidence. Umm no. Poor drafting

pre season is to knock the rust off. It’s also to show who’s ready to go. Can’t find chemistry. Jumbled play. Ya that’s part of the process of seeing how players react in different situations The good ones that are ready figure it out. The rest get cut.

Not defending management. The drafting which boils down mostly to scouting has not been very good on a long while now.

Preseason is a terrible environment to evaluate those things for a number of reasons you refuse to accept are real.

That's your problem, not mine.

 

[deadhead]

Unfortunately, film from last year can be awfully misleading, like if the team is in a chaotic situation, if a player is injured, if a player is matched with linemates/defensive partner where there is poor chemistry, if the player is young enough that they may have dramatically improved with a summer of training and practice.

Preseason stats are meaningless, b/c sample is too small, preseason metrics are limited for the same reason.
But the eyeball can give you a feel for things like skating, conditioning, instincts, etc.

Roster decisions aren't writ in stone for most players, there's something called the waiver wire.

 

[scumpup]

It’s always funny to see when Charlie selectively remembers that these stats exist.

Imagining Charlie frantically trying to find something positive about the Flyers so he doesn't get Tony Androckitis'd is really funny and sad at the same time. He's much smarter than what he posts. I refuse to believe otherwise.

 

[Striiker]

Imagining Charlie frantically trying to find something positive about the Flyers so he doesn't get Tony Androckitis'd is really funny and sad at the same time. He's much smarter than what he posts. I refuse to believe otherwise.

 

[captainpaxil]

Preseason has it's uses. You get to see who can play and process at full speed. Who has worked on things and who thought hitting the gym would be enough. Who's lost a step vs who got worn out over a long season. There's also the element of how guys fit together. I sincerely miss the team building trips of the early 2000s.

 

[Hextallent63]

The amended complaint in the McCrossin/Raffa case is tacked on legal BS in an effort to add leverage. It’s not relevant to the personal injury claim, & there’s no grounds to support retaliation besides conjecture. Chuck worded his email to McCrossin beautifully.

Also, I don’t blame Torts at all for snapping at McCrossin. McCrossin is no longer the trainer, & he doesn’t want McCrossin sticking his nose in & trying to insinuate himself into a role that’s no longer his.

People who are cut out of something often will try to hang around if you don’t immediately put them in their place. To quote Michael Corleone to Tom Hagen: “You’re out, Tom.”

hextall got fired for this....

 

[Hextallent63]

No other team is willing to keep a ECHL level player in the NHL

no other teams gm knows wtf hayden hodgson is.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

hextall got fired for this....

Hextall got fired for many reasons.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Preseason has it's uses. You get to see who can play and process at full speed. Who has worked on things and who thought hitting the gym would be enough. Who's lost a step vs who got worn out over a long season. There's also the element of how guys fit together. I sincerely miss the team building trips of the early 2000s.

Preseason is rarely full speed, though. You don't even see that. Every year there are various plugs praised for being fast in preseason then they get to the NHL and real game speed, and they're slugs

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Preseason is rarely full speed, though. You don't even see that. Every year there are various plugs praised for being fast in preseason then they get to the NHL and real game speed, and they're slugs

Wouldn’t bother with him. He’s completely out to lunch.

 

[deadhead]

Preseason is rarely full speed, though. You don't even see that. Every year there are various plugs praised for being fast in preseason then they get to the NHL and real game speed, and they're slugs

And last season is last season, you can't assume players will play the same, young players regress, veterans fall off the cliff.

There is no perfect way to evaluate players, but if a player is on the bubble it's up to him to show he belongs.
And getting sent to the AHL isn't the end of the world, if a player is NHL caliber, he should be heads and shoulders above his peers in the AHL.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Barf.

 

[StoneColdAnimal]

Based on what limited viewing I had of preseason
York
Seeler
Zamula
Braun
Attard
You could rotate pairs of seeler attard and York Braun but you then have two guys playing over z who didn't play as well as him. I think last season was a big factor in consideration as well as planning for the future

I was at the game Saturday. I was on the glass, so perspective is sometimes skewed, but I though Z was very solid. Seemed to read the play, was calm under pressure and could skate. Curious if my eyes close up matched what actually happened on the ice.