2022/23 Roster Thread XI: Konecny, So Hot Right Now, Konecny

[flyerslducks]

Easy to go MIA when you only play 6 f***ing minutes and your lintemates are Sedlak+deslauriers.

 

[TCTC]

Another Torts quote on Frost: "I guess you can consider him an offensive guy. At least that's what's been told to me."

LMAO. Torts speaks the truth. That's why some people hate him so much -- he says things they don't want to hear.

And Frost has been invisible despite a huge opportunity YET AGAIN. Very strange how there's so much negativity on this board, except Frost continues to be shielded like a little cub. Teflon Morg.

If he doesn't have a breakthrough season this season on this team considering our center lineup then it's probably time to give up hope.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Unfortunately Torts is exactly who we knew he was, a skill and youth hating dinosaur who lies through his teeth and thinks everything comes down to effort.

We’re not even 10 games in and he’s already ran out of ideas and resorted to scapegoating some of our best players and putting all the kids in a position to fail, then blaming them when they can’t somehow be impact players in scrap icetime with AHLers.

sadly i think all you guys were right..

soooo deflated Torts is turning out to be yet another coach with ideas no longer relevant in todays NHL...

sigh...

#sameasiteverwas

 

[Beef Invictus]

Or you can use the eyeball to confirm that Frost is MIA for stretches.
Bellows, Tippett, Frost, all 1st rd picks, none have done enough to justify that pick.
All are young enough to turn it around, but you got to do it, "potential" is a dirty word.

It's not that Frost is bad, he just doesn't do enough to get excited about him, and even if he holds onto a job this year, they'll be looking to replace him if he doesn't step it up.

At least Tippett has shown flashes that he could be a force on the forecheck, we'll see if he can sustain it.

He's MIA because the guy you assured us would be giving him big minutes limits him at every opportunity.

 

[Magua]

Maybe this team should be less concerned with play away from the puck and more concerned with play with the puck? They're getting blitzkrieg'd because they cannot possess the puck and do things with the puck. We already know Torts cannot, by admission, design breakouts or offensive schemes.

Frost is grading out as one of the better forwards on the team in on-ice defensive metrics. What he has NOT done has been on the ice for much offense -- a team worst actually. In your head, that should not make sense, given his skill-set and the narratives. You have a coach who won't get off his back about defense, and par for the mixed messaging course, it's been the one area he's been competent through 7 games. It's just gaslighting a young player. His consistency of minutes and quality of linemates have been pretty putrid, which is where things start to make more sense, and that's coaching inflicted. Here is Jack Han's poor development checklist again -- a perfect match.

Noah Cates has 1 goal on the season, has driven play as well as Frost (AKA not well) with unceasing 2nd line minutes and actual NHL top 6/9 linemates........and we only get public praise. I love Cates, and I'm not up in arms about him working out his kinks, but this is just type bias. Some people prefer to watch the struggles of Player A vs Player B.

 

[Cody Webster]

Another Torts quote on Frost: "I guess you can consider him an offensive guy. At least that's what's been told to me."

LMAO. Torts speaks the truth. That's why some people hate him so much -- he says things they don't want to hear.

And Frost has been invisible despite a huge opportunity YET AGAIN. Very strange how there's so much negativity on this board, except Frost continues to be shielded like a little cub. Teflon Morg.

Playing with ECHL players isn't exactly an opportunity...but you continue to do you and be wrong like normal

 

[Beef Invictus]

Playing with ECHL players isn't exactly an opportunity...but you continue to do you and be wrong like normal

GB has been pretty transparent about blaming the entire season on Frost instead of heroic Fletcher.

 

[flyerslducks]

Frost getting the Shane Wright treatment lol aka huge opportunity

 

[Magua]

You have to chuckle at the self-righteous "I ROOT FOR THE TEAM, NOT PLAYERS" comments in the past, while actively maniacally giggling at watching young players, on said team, fail (or be set up to fail) to provide desperately needed proof of your own brilliance. It's almost like you don't root for the team?

 

[deadhead]

Frost

JVR 38 minutes
MacEwen 24 minutes
Laczynski 22 minutes
Allison 19 minutes
Laughton 17 minutes

Not exactly buried on the 4th line.

 

[Tripod]

Frost

5th in forwards for pts....6th in toi
4th in forwards for ES pts....7th in ES toi
On pace for 35 ES pts

Looks like he is performing above where his toi dictates. If the 2nd unit can get a few PP pts, he could be on pace for 40 pts. With how CAVED this team is game to game, does anyone REASONABLY expect more?

 

[captainpaxil]

Playing with ECHL players isn't exactly an opportunity...but you continue to do you and be wrong like normal

When you consistently underperform you have to take ownership. Do you have the stats for guys playing with frost vs with other centers? It should be pretty obviously skewed above guys playing out of position or picked off the waiver wire right.
He's a young guy and he's getting limited minutes and has looked ok at times but nothing to say drown him in minutes the way farabee has. We'll see more of him when he plays better and he just needs to keep showing up and making the most of his opportunities.

 

[Tripod]

Oh, and the great Cates:

5th in toi....30 minutes more than Frost
3rd in ES toi

1 point

When you consistently underperform you have to take ownership. Do you have the stats for guys playing with frost vs with other centers? It should be pretty obviously skewed above guys playing out of position or picked off the waiver wire right.
He's a young guy and he's getting limited minutes and has looked ok at times but nothing to say drown him in minutes the way farabee has. We'll see more of him when he plays better and he just needs to keep showing up and making the most of his opportunities.

look a few posts above. He is outperforming his toi.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Nothing says "team first" like

Frost

JVR 38 minutes
MacEwen 24 minutes
Laczynski 22 minutes
Allison 19 minutes
Laughton 17 minutes

Not exactly buried on the 4th line.

24 minutes with MacEwen is pretty crippling.

Getting regularly benched is also crippling.

You are perfectly aware of both of these facts.

 

[deadhead]

Oh, and the great Cates:

5th in toi....30 minutes more than Frost
3rd in ES toi

1 point


look a few posts above. He is outperforming his toi.

If you're going to use points, Hayes is underpaid this season.

What would concern me with Frost is xGFrel -7.28 (of course, TK is -13.93, N Cates -5.34, Farabee -3.10).
That is, they're playing better with him off the ice, and given he's played with all the 2nd and 3rd line forwards, that's not good.

I would like to think it's due to tough matchups for the young forwards, but Hayes, JVR and Laughton have the same matchups and they have positive xGFrel - that is, the team plays better with them on the ice.

Maybe experience matters?

 

[Striiker]

A slow AHL “sniper” and a cement handed/brained AHLer.

Nice “opportunity”.

 

[renberg]

A slow AHL “sniper” and a cement handed/brained AHLer.

Nice “opportunity”.

At least Sanheim is freed from Risto.
Striker you’re going to have a miserable four years. Tortorella isn’t going to be canned and I doubt that he’ll retire. He’s looking at $4MX4.

 

[Striiker]

And this dipshit did not accidentally place them in the wrong order

 

[deadhead]

As if Frost is anything more than a marginal 3C right now.
He deserves no more consideration than Allison, Bellows, MacEwen or Tippett.
They all need to earn their PT on the ice.

 

[BernieParent]

If you're going to use points, Hayes is underpaid this season.

What would concern me with Frost is xGFrel -7.28 (of course, TK is -13.93, N Cates -5.34, Farabee -3.10).
That is, they're playing better with him off the ice, and given he's played with all the 2nd and 3rd line forwards, that's not good.

I would like to think it's due to tough matchups for the young forwards, but Hayes, JVR and Laughton have the same matchups and they have positive xGFrel - that is, the team plays better with them on the ice.

Maybe experience matters?

Didn't we agree that we weren't using xGFrel in isolation?

 

[Striiker]

Lol

 

[captainpaxil]

A slow AHL “sniper” and a cement handed/brained AHLer.

Nice “opportunity”.

Sedlak has to make the most of it though

 

[deadhead]

Sedlak has done more with far less than Frost.
If TOI was given on merit, he'd be ahead of Frost.

But it's not that simple, they want Frost to win the 3C job, while Sedlak right now is considered no more than a 4C.
But if Sedlak keeps playing this well, he's going to eat into Frost's TOI.

 

[Flyer lurker]

So Braun top 4 (and sadly he is better than Fisto at rhd as of today)
Risto 5m for a 5d playing like a 7d.
Seeler quality game as the 8 errr 6.
Bleep I may have been too hard on Z as he looked way better with Seeler than Fisto does right now.
Frost has to earn playing time on a line with zac "10 cent" mac

I have no idea why fans were worried about youth development when you have "accountability".

I know its going to take a couple of games for Fisto to get into game shape but if anyone deserves a scratch wake up its him.

 

[Striiker]

MacEwen had 3:36 on the PP last night.

Sanheim has played 4:19 on the PP total through the first 8 games.

Laczynski has 1:01 total