2022/23 Roster Thread XI: Konecny, So Hot Right Now, Konecny

[flyerslducks]

Jiricek already making his nhl debut. Really wanted him over cutter man

 

[FlyerNutter]

FWIW, Torts had some choice quotes at the STH event. Transcript credits to Locked on Flyers



This is one of three long answers. Don't want to blow up the thread with a thesis - the other two are in the YT link comments.
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I had a conversation today, I won’t say with who as far as the management part of it. I’m not sure about Coots, I’m not sure if he’s coming back, I’m not sure about Cam, I’m not sure if he’s coming back. Ryan it’s very doubtful, Ryan Ellis very doubtful. Now we lose James, he’s probably out, I would say, he gets operated on Friday, he’s probably 4-6 weeks.​

What I don’t want to happen here, and some of you may agree or disagree, no disrespect I really don’t care if you agree or disagree with me. I think we have to not plug up those holes by going on the waiver wire and picking out someone else’s garbage that they’re letting go. I’d rather develop the kids and let the kids keep on playing here. And maybe there are other kids that shouldn’t be here at this point in time, and continue that process to see who we have. And then we can start weeding people out. I​

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I don’t think it’s about bringing in crusty veterans that were really good a while back and are towards the end of their careers that really no one wants and have us bring them here. I just don’t think that’s the proper way. ​

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And does it kind of blow you out of the water, well aren’t you going for the playoffs? I’m not going for nothing. I’m going for each and every day for the rest of the year being the best we can be. And you have to build this team with a foundation that can be successful with youth first, and then you bring in those solid free agents. I may not even be here, how long it takes. I don’t know, but that’s the way you have to do it.​

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I'd want to believe him, but its hard with what we see on the ice. It directly contradicts some of those statements.

Is it plausible that Fletcher is desperate in his attempts to save his job, and scrambling for any crumb he can find (waivers)? It sure is, but when you see the ice time distribution it's hard to say Torts is just this development guru for youth. Is there likely a disconnect between various members of the organization as to the direction the team should take? That's a hell yes, and for the time being it seems that the old guard have won with the direction/identity fixation the team took in the summer.

Torts - if this keeps up in any way, will likely save the job of Fletcher for another season. Or at the very least keep him involved in a team president role.

Thanks for posting that.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I'd want to believe him, but its hard with what we see on the ice. It directly contradicts some of those statements.

Is it plausible that Fletcher is desperate in his attempts to save his job, and scrambling for any crumb he can find (waivers)? It sure is, but when you see the ice time distribution it's hard to say Torts is just this development guru for youth. Is there likely a disconnect between various members of the organization as to the direction the team should take? That's a hell yes, and for the time being it seems that the old guard have won with the direction/identity fixation the team took in the summer.

Torts - if this keeps up in any way, will likely save the job of Fletcher for another season. Or at the very least keep him involved in a team president role.

Thanks for posting that.

exactly..

what he says in pressers is opposite of what he does on the ice..

#sus.

 

[BernieParent]

Most only recognize mistakes when the puck goes in the net.

.. and then only to say that Hart should have bailed out his D.

 

[Curufinwe]

FWIW, Torts had some choice quotes at the STH event. Transcript credits to Locked on Flyers



This is one of three long answers. Don't want to blow up the thread with a thesis - the other two are in the YT link comments.
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I had a conversation today, I won’t say with who as far as the management part of it. I’m not sure about Coots, I’m not sure if he’s coming back, I’m not sure about Cam, I’m not sure if he’s coming back. Ryan it’s very doubtful, Ryan Ellis very doubtful. Now we lose James, he’s probably out, I would say, he gets operated on Friday, he’s probably 4-6 weeks.​

What I don’t want to happen here, and some of you may agree or disagree, no disrespect I really don’t care if you agree or disagree with me. I think we have to not plug up those holes by going on the waiver wire and picking out someone else’s garbage that they’re letting go. I’d rather develop the kids and let the kids keep on playing here. And maybe there are other kids that shouldn’t be here at this point in time, and continue that process to see who we have. And then we can start weeding people out. I​

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I don’t think it’s about bringing in crusty veterans that were really good a while back and are towards the end of their careers that really no one wants and have us bring them here. I just don’t think that’s the proper way. ​

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And does it kind of blow you out of the water, well aren’t you going for the playoffs? I’m not going for nothing. I’m going for each and every day for the rest of the year being the best we can be. And you have to build this team with a foundation that can be successful with youth first, and then you bring in those solid free agents. I may not even be here, how long it takes. I don’t know, but that’s the way you have to do it.​

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But this is the opposite of what’s happening.

Also, how is it the GM isn’t talking about this Atkinson situation? He’s gone from ready for the opener to possibly done for the year without ever touching the ice?

 

[deadhead]

They've brought in ONE veteran, Sedlak, who Torts had before. With three starters out.

And Torts also talked about kids not being ready, i.e., they're not going to rush Foerster et al.

From his perspective, Cates (23), Frost (23), Farabee (22), Zamula (22), Tippett (23), Bellows (24) are kids. Even Allison (25), Laczynski (25), MacEwen (26) due to their lack of NHL experience

Players like TDA, TK, Sanheim, are younger veterans he's giving bigger roles.

Eventually he'll want to work in kids from LHV, but you don't want to start the season playing a lot of inexperienced kids together, that's a formula for chaos - the blind leading the blind.

CBJ is the blueprint, first year a couple "kids" got bigger roles, one rookie got to start but there wasn't a mass infusion of kids into the lineup. Murray got a top four role, Karlsson got to start at 3C, Anderson and Bjorkstrand got 12 game cameos at the end of the season, Chaput 8 games. Rychel (21) got 32 games.

Next season, Werenski (19), Anderson (22), Sedlak (23), Nutivaara (22) all started, BJorkstrand played 26g.
Two years in, Dubois (19), Bjorkstrand (22), Milano (21), started, Motte (22) played 31g, Carlsson (21) 14g.

Expect the same here, at some point York, Attard and Lycksell will get a shot, by the end of the season Foerster, Desnoyers and maybe Gauthier if he turns pro, will get cameos to see how far they've progressed. Next season, a few will start.

More importantly, Torts has basically declared that the team is rebuilding, he's even said it might take 4-5 years (i.e. until after his contract is over). When you tell the ticket holders that directly, that's as close of a commitment this organization has ever made. Of course, maybe the FO disagrees, stay tuned!

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Torts: "Quite honestly, I don't think Frosty has done enough to earn his ice time.”

 

[deadhead]

Here's the rest of Tort's comments:

You’re not going to get me to predict what we’re going to be, what our record is going to be, what the winning and losing is cause I just don’t know and I’m not going to lie to you. So we’re taking it day by day. And I think we have, to start the season, we’ve had a little success. I have to say one of the most exciting things for me, knock on wood, I don’t want to jinx it, is the play of our goaltending, in Carter Hart. And actually Sandstrom too. Carter, he’s been very good, and you're not winning anything in this league unless you have very good goaltending. And I think he’s given us a chance with some mistakes we’ve make. They don’t end up in the back of the net, he’s played that well, and it allows our team to grow. So, in a long winded answer, we’re going day by day, and I don’t know where the hell we’re going, I don’t know what next week’s gonna look like. All I’m worried about is tomorrow’s practice. The one thing that I look at each and every day: are we practicing the right way, are we being the pros that we need to be. If we concentrate on that, and we work on the effort of how we have to be, I think things fall into place. So that’s how I go about it.

CLIP THREE COATES: What are the non negotiables with a player outside of the players’ skill? Everybody has to no matter what the players skill is? Obviously there are some items that are basically just not negotiable.

TORTORELLA: Yeah, The things you can control, quite honestly. The conditioning of the athlete, We spent, we had a hard camp. This was set upon when I was hired June 16th and they were told where the camp was like June 19th. Because I just wanted them to know that’s something they could control. So the conditioning of the athlete, and just the plain simple effort. That’s non-negotiable because those are two things you can control in a game that you can’t control a lot of. And so yeah, we’re gonna live by it, and there’s going to be some bumpy roads for some players along the way, and no matter what draft pick, no matter how much money, no matter who you are, whatever you may be, If that effort isn’t there, there’s problems. It’s just not right, because you’re selling your teammates short with something that you can control. And I wanted to identify with you guys because I think this is a hard working city, it’s a straight ahead city, and I want us to identify with you guys, and I think we should, it’s a great city to play for. As we see, the sports that are going on right now? I want us to be part of that also.

 

[deadhead]

Now I know some of you will roll eyes, but realistically, there isn't much more Torts can do this season other than work on fundamentals and weed out the players who won't pay the price. They're not trading for talent, they can't move injured veterans on long-term deals, and Bellows is what you find on the waiver wire, gambles on players other teams have given up on.

As far as playing kids, they're actually a pretty young team with Couts (30), Atkinson (33), Ellis (31), JVR (33) out.
They're down to Hayes (30), Deslauriers (31), Braun (35). Next oldest, Seeler (29), Sedlak (29), Laughton (28), Risto (28).

This is not going to be a good team for obvious reasons, but they can become a hard working, disciplined team that plays fundamentally sound hockey. And that is a much better environment for prospects when they're promoted than the chaos that reigned the last two seasons.

 

[Striiker]

Unfortunately Torts is exactly who we knew he was, a skill and youth hating dinosaur who lies through his teeth and thinks everything comes down to effort.

We’re not even 10 games in and he’s already ran out of ideas and resorted to scapegoating some of our best players and putting all the kids in a position to fail, then blaming them when they can’t somehow be impact players in scrap icetime with AHLers.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I see the infinite excuses are already beginning.


Never mind that every part of this was predicted in advance.

 

[landsbergfan]

Shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

 

[Curufinwe]

This was the original surgeon

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[Adtar02]

I’ll be sure to remind you of this one.

but he will use the stats for the players he doesn't like. not realizing that its the system

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Gotta love the ongoing mixed messages.

 

[Striiker]

Gotta love the ongoing mixed messages.

Can't imagine anything better for player development.

Just like last year when he needed to be more safe and got punished because of it, but then they immediately complained that he wasn't taking enough risks and was too worried about being punished.

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Is this his 3rd back surgery in the past 2 years? Or 2nd?

Either way...that contract is going to get ugly fast.

 

[Rebels57]

The most dysfunctional organization in all of sports at this point. Even the Washington Football Team are laughing at the Flyers.

 

[Adtar02]

Gotta love the ongoing mixed messages.

Frost has looked good playing with mostly slop. His of the puck play has been good. Not sure what the coach is seeing to say otherwise. is he not laboring enough in his skating cause he's good at it. does he need to fight and break his hand?

 

[Striiker]

In case anyone wonders if the stats back up that his defense has been a problem... nope.

6th best of 14 forwards in expected goals against per 60
5th best of 14 forwards in shot attempts against per 60
5th best of 14 forwards in scoring chances against per 60

So clearly nothing that would stand out or suggests that when he's on the ice the team is having issues.

Every single one of those stats is better than golden boy Noah Cates, by the way, who was gifted and cemented into a top 6 role over Frost for seemingly no reason other than Torts has a crush on him. Frost has clearly been the superior player of the two.

 

[FLYguy3911]

What's your @?

 

[Rebels57]

In case anyone wonders if the stats back up that his defense has been a problem... nope.

6th best of 14 forwards in expected goals against per 60
5th best of 14 forwards in shot attempts against per 60
5th best of 14 forwards in scoring chances against per 60

So clearly nothing that would stand out or suggests that when he's on the ice the team is having issues.

Every single one of those stats is better than golden boy Noah Cates, by the way, who was gifted and cemented into a top 6 role over Frost for seemingly no reason other than Torts has a crush on him. Frost has clearly been the superior player of the two.

I've already accepted that there is just no chance Frost reaches his potential here. This organization, from top to bottom, does not like the way he plays the game. They have nothing to back it up. It's just a feeling for them. I hope, and expect, that he's traded this season or next summer. A team that isn't running by puddles of piss will allow him to take off.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Frost has looked good playing with mostly slop. His of the puck play has been good. Not sure what the coach is seeing to say otherwise. is he not laboring enough in his skating cause he's good at it. does he need to fight and break his hand?

Yes.